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rdw

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Dry heads help
« on: February 03, 2020, 08:10:19 PM »
Hey guys,

275 revs 14.5-15.5 mph mostly up the back low tilt.

The center I practice at has a weekly special, 2 hours all you can bowl for one fee.

It starts after the night league.  Itís ok as i get to practice as the lanes transition.  At the end of the night, the ball hooks early. But still a bunch of oil in the middle.

My weakest ball a motiv apex pearl , skates in the oil if I pull it and hooks into the nose if I miss it right.

I donít have enough hand to play fourth arrow and bump it off the dry.

I could practice slow hooking it from deep inside, not my a game of course.

But currently Iím using my weakest ball, standing back on the approach for more speed and keeping my misses right, hoping the extra speed keeps the ball from hooking in the nose and leaving me difficult spares, just grinding out a score.

Any suggestions for a better plan of attack?  Itís frustrating bowling well all night and ending up with a couple of 150ís cause I canít figure out how to handle this condition.

Thanks in advance.

 

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Re: Dry heads help
« Reply #1 on: February 03, 2020, 08:36:13 PM »
Play the oil with a stronger ball. From there it's just learning the correct angles to carry.

I've had a lot of success the past few years starting out with a weaker ball on a house shot and then moving in with a stronger ball to play the oil during transition
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Re: Dry heads help
« Reply #2 on: February 06, 2020, 07:48:52 PM »
Lanes a little slicker than normal.   But I basically aimed fourth arrow at the ten pin trying to use the dry to get it back.  Out of ten shots two hit the pocket.  I used a pin up super sonIq which everyone said was to smooth to try and do what I was doing since my rev rate was so low.  Is the point just to move far enough left of the oil line to avoid the over under?

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Re: Dry heads help
« Reply #3 on: February 07, 2020, 07:03:04 AM »
Lanes a little slicker than normal.   But I basically aimed fourth arrow at the ten pin trying to use the dry to get it back.  Out of ten shots two hit the pocket.  I used a pin up super sonIq which everyone said was to smooth to try and do what I was doing since my rev rate was so low.  Is the point just to move far enough left of the oil line to avoid the over under?

Dont assume that just because you move left that you still have to throw the ball towards the 10 pin unless the Super Soniq is too strong to play in the middle part of the lane.  The key is to move inside and pretend that the dry area is the gutter.  Some people may have to target 3rd arrow and only play to 12 board breakpoint and others may have to target inside 4 arrow and target 7-8 board breakpoint.  Typically when I move inside I dont like swinging the entire lane.  As I move left, I like to move my target and my breakpoint left as well.  Playing too much angle through the heads is what can create the over/under because if you dont get it out fast enough, you leave a washout and if you get it out too fast, you are looking at a big 4-6-7-10 split. 

The key is to get inside and find enough oil to get the ball to hit the pocket and then put the ball in your hand that will read the oil and not skate too far before hooking in to the headpin.
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Re: Dry heads help
« Reply #4 on: February 07, 2020, 09:45:00 AM »
Lanes a little slicker than normal.   But I basically aimed fourth arrow at the ten pin trying to use the dry to get it back.  Out of ten shots two hit the pocket.  I used a pin up super sonIq which everyone said was to smooth to try and do what I was doing since my rev rate was so low.  Is the point just to move far enough left of the oil line to avoid the over under?

You have to play the oil. Your angle is probably too steep trying to go 4th arrow to the outside dry boards.

Twohand834's post above me explained it pretty well. You have to learn to play the lane front to back and not as much side to side
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Re: Dry heads help
« Reply #5 on: February 07, 2020, 09:49:09 AM »
Just loft it to the stars OP......  :P
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Re: Dry heads help
« Reply #6 on: February 07, 2020, 11:34:46 AM »
Just loft it to the stars OP......  :P

As an added bonus not much limit to how deep you can get either.  Crazy thing is pretty sure he can actually repeat this shot.  Dude can loft.

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Re: Dry heads help
« Reply #7 on: February 07, 2020, 12:51:59 PM »
Just adding to a previous post.  Out of curiosity.  What surface is your Apex at?  If it is highly polished; you could take it to 3000 or 4000 and no polish.  This would help with the ball wanting to skate too far in the oil and make it start hooking a little sooner even though the ball is still pretty weak.  Or you could take the Super Soniq and square up your angle targeting more towards the 3-6 instead of the 10 pin.  My suggestion is to play 3rd arrow or just inside of it and pretend the second arrow is the gutter.  If it is still hooking too soon, just make small moves left until the ball hits the pocket.

One last thing.  There is a HUGE gap between the SS and the Apex.  Do you have anything else you could take that hooks more than the Apex and not as much as the SS?

 
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Re: Dry heads help
« Reply #8 on: February 07, 2020, 01:01:07 PM »
Just loft it to the stars OP......  :P

As an added bonus not much limit to how deep you can get either.  Crazy thing is pretty sure he can actually repeat this shot.  Dude can loft.


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Re: Dry heads help
« Reply #9 on: February 07, 2020, 01:24:24 PM »
Thanks guys.  The apex is 4000 no polish.  When I start bowling after the night league.  ( on fresh I usually start with an idol).  My first ball out of the bag is a pin down venom shock.  I usually have a great look deteriorating after four games or so.  Then I move inside with a pin up pink widow pearl for two games or so.

After that the ball starts to hook early.  I make little moves left but either my moves are wrong or not big enough.  I canít stay ahead of the transition.

Itís at this point Iím usually around third arrow with over under issues when I go to the apex.

So next time Iíll square up with the super sonIq. See if it gives me more of a consistent look.

Thanks everyone!

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Re: Dry heads help
« Reply #10 on: February 13, 2020, 02:24:25 AM »
Ok guys you were right.  One days lanes were slick, and I just squared up with my super sonIq and got a much more consistent read .

Today usual shot, great in the beginning and dried up forcing me left as usual.  This time when the head dried up, I got deep and pulled out a dare devil danger with the pin three inches above the bridge.  It got down the lane and since the back ends still hooked, I was able to get the ball back.  The big bonus was my ball was strong enough on my misses left to leave a flat ten instead of the 2, bucket, 2-8-10 washout etc..

So I have a playable shot, using the soup to get the ball long enough down the lane.  The 150ís to end the night are gone!  Naturally i never play this shot and need to practice to get consistent.  But now I can bowl all the way from the fresh to closing .

Thanks to all who gave great advice!

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Re: Dry heads help
« Reply #11 on: February 13, 2020, 07:17:24 AM »
Ok guys you were right.  One days lanes were slick, and I just squared up with my super sonIq and got a much more consistent read .

Today usual shot, great in the beginning and dried up forcing me left as usual.  This time when the head dried up, I got deep and pulled out a dare devil danger with the pin three inches above the bridge.  It got down the lane and since the back ends still hooked, I was able to get the ball back.  The big bonus was my ball was strong enough on my misses left to leave a flat ten instead of the 2, bucket, 2-8-10 washout etc..

So I have a playable shot, using the soup to get the ball long enough down the lane.  The 150ís to end the night are gone!  Naturally i never play this shot and need to practice to get consistent.  But now I can bowl all the way from the fresh to closing .

Thanks to all who gave great advice!

Awesome to hear!!!  Now that you have the knowledge to know how to tackle that condition, sometimes a surface adjustment, ball speed adjustment, or as you said more practice can make the difference between flat 10 and striking.  Good luck!!
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Re: Dry heads help
« Reply #12 on: February 14, 2020, 07:39:45 AM »
It's just practice -- Try adding diversity to your game ... change your release.  Try up the back with forward roll and speed.  A ball should not be your first method of adjustment..... it's just a tool. 

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Re: Dry heads help
« Reply #13 on: February 14, 2020, 08:11:53 AM »
It's just practice -- Try adding diversity to your game ... change your release.  Try up the back with forward roll and speed.  A ball should not be your first method of adjustment..... it's just a tool. 

The OP does state that he is typically up the back of the ball with low tilt.  I do agree with adding versatility or diversity.  However, the ball is the single most important factor.  If you dont have the right ball for the condition; it wont matter much what your release is doing.  A knowledgeable bowler will know when they are using the wrong ball for the condition they are on.  The change in release just fine tunes the reaction.

EX:  If I am on a long pattern and try to use my Deep Freeze.  It wont matter even with my 500+ rev rate if I am 30 degrees axis rotation or 60 degrees.  Chances are the ball is going 50 feet before it starts to hook.  So if I go to my Gamebreaker 2 at 2000 sanded, then I will see the effects of release changes simply because it is a better ball match up for the condition. 
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