Post by: jbuzz31 on October 25, 2008, 01:53:11 AM
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Post by: DON DRAPER on October 25, 2008, 10:03:42 AM
Post by: charlest on October 25, 2008, 10:10:29 AM
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It is illegal to put it on your shoe to bowl.
No, it's illegal, rude and inconsiderate and stupid to get it on the approach where it affects others.
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You can put it on your hand at a table and rub your shoe so there for no excesse to get all over the lane. If they are putting it on right there at the lane this causes it to get everywhere. I would have to say something to them about it.
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You should rub it on and into your shoe leather after raise the nap. knock off the residue and wipe it off.
If they get it on the approach, you can legally and should legally have the president or sargeant-at-arms warn them to not do it. 2nd offense (or discretion of the president) can have them, I believe, forfeit the game. It is officially interfering with the other team's game.
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Post by: charlest on October 25, 2008, 10:13:34 AM
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i wish people who have trouble sliding would invest in a pair of top quality bowling shoes......it would make bowling better for everyone.
Greg,
This is not necesarily the solution. I have teflon slides for my Linds Exxxtra's and at one BTM tourney many years ago I still stopped dead at the foul line and almost seriously hurt myself. There is no excuse for that.
I found a way around that at that time, and since then I have another personal solution. BUT the real solution is to have the house take care of the approaches the right way. There is no excuse for a manager or proprietor NOT to take of the approaches.
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Post by: mmcfarland300 on October 25, 2008, 10:31:43 AM
Post by: charlest on October 25, 2008, 11:28:13 AM
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This doesn't mean there is anthing wrong with the approaches. I have seen people go to the bathroom with out shoe covers, walk outside or to the snack bar. And depending on the approaches some can be tacky depending on humidity. It isn't the Center's fault some people are stupid and don't know how to treat there shoes and use ez slide properly.
There is that also. It happens. Some people have little common sense or never realize what they do JUST MAY affect others.
Mostly, locally, it seems to be the center's fault.
One of our big local centers has synthetic approaches. FOr years they took excellent care of them. Never a problem by anyone. Barely slightly more tacky when it was humid. Last 2 years, they hardly sweep up the garbage open and/or drunk bowlers leave behind, from one day to the next. Major problens with the approaches. Middle of the approach at the foulline is slippery, yet the first 5 boards on the left and the right are both tacky, some making you stop dead!
Oh, as as proof, (this center is Brunswick Zone Carolier, where they hold the US Open every year.) Wes Mallott took a header over the foul line last year, while trying to make a 10 pin. The exact spot where most of us stick, every day and eveyr night, tring to make a 10 pin.
The first 6 years or so after they put in synthetic approaches and lanes there was hardly any problems at all. I suppose it has somehting to do with the cutbacks by Brunswick. Probably affects the maintenance budgets at all centers.
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Post by: jbuzz31 on October 25, 2008, 11:36:51 AM
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If I am not mistaken you are not allowed to put easyslide or a foreign subsatance in your slide sole for that exact reason.
really? i didnt realize it was.
so next time this happens the other team can get in trouble if i report them?
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Post by: Smash49 on October 25, 2008, 11:38:04 AM
Rule 12 - Approaches Must Not Be Defaced
The application of any foreign substance on any part of the approach that detracts from the possibility of other players having normal conditions is prohibited. This includes, but is not limited to talcum powder, pumice and resin on shoes, and/or soft rubber soles or heels that rub off on the approach.
12/1
One of the bowlers is having a difficult time sliding on the approach and applies a commercial product purchased at the center pro shop to the bottom of his/her shoes. The product is designed to help a bowler slide. The secretary says she has received a complaint from the opposing team and notifies the individual to stop using the substance or the game will be forfeited. Can an officer tell a bowler to stop using the substance and declare the game forfeited?
Commercial products, talcum powder or any substance applied to the shoe or approach could be in violation of Rule 12. If a league participant uses a substance and somebody complains that it prohibits him/her from having normal conditions, the league officer should require the individual to immediately stop his/her action. If the individual refuses, his/her games are subject to forfeiture.
The lady went on to say that she thought the people were complaining just because they were losing. There really is a rule and EZ Slide most of the time is not used correctly.
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Post by: mmcfarland300 on October 25, 2008, 11:47:37 AM
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This doesn't mean there is anthing wrong with the approaches. I have seen people go to the bathroom with out shoe covers, walk outside or to the snack bar. And depending on the approaches some can be tacky depending on humidity. It isn't the Center's fault some people are stupid and don't know how to treat there shoes and use ez slide properly.
There is that also. It happens. Some people have little common sense or never realize what they do JUST MAY affect others.
Mostly, locally, it seems to be the center's fault.
One of our big local centers has synthetic approaches. FOr years they took excellent care of them. Never a problem by anyone. Barely slightly more tacky when it was humid. Last 2 years, they hardly sweep up the garbage open and/or drunk bowlers leave behind, from one day to the next. Major problens with the approaches. Middle of the approach at the foulline is slippery, yet the first 5 boards on the left and the right are both tacky, some making you stop dead!
Oh, as as proof, (this center is Brunswick Zone Carolier, where they hold the US Open every year.) Wes Mallott took a header over the foul line last year, while trying to make a 10 pin. The exact spot where most of us stick, every day and eveyr night, tring to make a 10 pin.
The first 6 years or so after they put in synthetic approaches and lanes there was hardly any problems at all. I suppose it has somehting to do with the cutbacks by Brunswick. Probably affects the maintenance budgets at all centers.
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I see your point I tend to bowl at individualy owned centers and this may be part of why I say I don't see the maintenence issues with the approaches that you do. It doesn't make sense to me why they would get neglected it is just as important to have "clean" approaches as it is to have properly maintained lanes. And it is cheaper. I would say that would be neglect versus cutbacks imo. Charlest your post brings a question to mind, would you say that independant houses are maintained better than those of the franchise variety.
Post by: Smash49 on October 25, 2008, 12:32:31 PM
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Post by: jodyk24 on October 25, 2008, 12:34:57 PM
down to clean the approaches if they are sticking and they make it worse than before. One of my pet peeves is the bowler that comes in out of the rain or snow and brings puddles with them to the bowling area. We all know what happens next. After saying all of this I have in my bag extra soles and a bag of easy slide just in case. You have to do what you got to do to keep from breaking you neck because of others.
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Edited on 10/25/2008 2:24 PM
Post by: tenpin477 on October 25, 2008, 01:02:31 PM
Post by: charlest on October 25, 2008, 02:16:05 PM
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Charlest your post brings a question to mind, would you say that independant houses are maintained better than those of the franchise variety.
I really can't make a decisive statement on that.
On the 3 independents that I go to regularly, all used to be fairly good overall, given how expensive such operations are when you don't have huge corporate backing (AMF & Brunswick). 2 of the 3 are fairly old, with repsect to furbishings and equipment but you saw the effort they were making. Recently one has gone downhill with respect to the oil pattern/amount - very inconsistent and averages have dropped since the start of the season.
On the whole, with only these 3 as examples for me, versus several AMF and Brunswick, I would lean towards agreeing with it. In general, the independents are there to make money but all are relative to the AMF/Brunswick corporate giants) bowler friendly (all 3 I know are owned BY bowlers). The AMF and Brunswick houses are there ONLY to make money and (league) bowlers are at the very bottom of their business consideration list.
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Edited on 10/25/2008 2:18 PM
Post by: charlest on October 25, 2008, 02:17:29 PM
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Speaking of Brunswick Zone Carolier, I was there recently for a couple of JBTs and after the first shot or two I had no problems with the approaches.
tenpin477,
You were very lucky. Beleive me when I say that one would have to consider your experience is not typical.
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Post by: tenpin477 on October 25, 2008, 02:36:13 PM
Any house that is willing to cater to a youth tournament beginning at 2 AM Saturday and Sunday morning, and put out an oil pattern that was actually kind of challenging is fine by me lol.
Both instances the approaches were fine, and I didn't hear any grumbling from the people around me either.
Post by: sdbowler on October 25, 2008, 02:49:15 PM
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Clean approaches??? Ever smell approach cleaner???
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Post by: dechrist on October 25, 2008, 02:53:11 PM
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i wish people who have trouble sliding would invest in a pair of top quality bowling shoes......it would make bowling better for everyone.
Fair enough. I have a pair of Dynoroos sport ultras, and I'm sticking at the line on a humid night despite the fact that I keep my soles clean and I also use the slickest sliding soles available.
If I can't use a small amount of EZ slide on my slide sole, and work it in (shoe off and in my hand). So what's a bowler to do, blow out a knee?
Post by: ucumin2 on October 25, 2008, 03:39:48 PM
Post by: charlest on October 25, 2008, 04:05:26 PM
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Well ez slide sucks in my eyes. We have seen more and more use here in Illinois because of are bs no smoking law. Best easy fix if u can't slide was little ash but now people can't. Many people out here you see appling ez slide ever time before they bowl and its crap. All it takes is 1 moron using it and approachs are like an ice skating rink. Should be banned along with bowls who think bowling is a tea hour. When its ur turn 2 bowl then bowl. Ran into all this last night. Dragging and using ez slide.
Do you outlaw the gun or jail the shooter??
Duh!
You don't blame the tool. You blame the user.
EZ Slide and such are there because there's a real and obvious need for them. Notice the USBC and the ABC never outlawed them. The law/rule reads such that if user abuses the substance and endangers others by getting in the way of others' bowling, then the officers can do something about it.
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Post by: DON DRAPER on October 25, 2008, 04:48:32 PM
in my opinion bowling center managers and owners do not spend enough time, effort, and money on the approaches in their centers. how can they expect customers to come back when something like this can cause/aggravate a physical problem ?
every time i go bowl whether it's open play practice, league, or a tournament, i thoroughly inspect the approaches and change my soles and/or heels as needed. my 3G tour ultra's have six(6) different soles and six(6) different heels for just this purpose. i also have a slide sock just in case.
Post by: ucumin2 on October 25, 2008, 04:51:35 PM
Post by: sdbowler on October 25, 2008, 04:53:16 PM
On edit. I have in the past a very a long time ago used cig. ashes only after I have rubbed them into the shoe very well.
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Edited on 10/25/2008 5:00 PM
Post by: charlest on October 25, 2008, 05:14:42 PM
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Well I can see that the last 2 post use ez slide. One worried about spelling other asking about guns. Guess just two more under average bowlers who can't bowl without there powder. Just learn to bowl right then no need for powder. If you can't stay home so the rest of us can bowl without injuries
Nowhere in any of my replies did I ever say I use EZ slide. Read whatever you like into anyone's comments. It makes not one of your own comments any more correct.
If you are making judgements about everyone when you appear to have few bowling or life experiences outside your small circle, maybe you are the one who should get out into the real world. Please allow the rest of us have a discussion without pejoratives, being slung about. Making a personal criticism about someone because they disagree with your ideas is immature.
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Edited on 10/25/2008 5:16 PM
Post by: charlest on October 25, 2008, 05:27:57 PM
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technically, you can't apply any substance to the bottom of your slide shoe that may leave a residue on the approach. even if you wipe off the excess easy-slide from your shoe there is no way to measure the trace amount of the product left on your shoe.
Greg,
That is not the way the rule reads, as quoted by Smash49 above. I assume he is correct.
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if you are a bowler and care about your own safety and the safety of your fellow bowlers do not apply easy-slide to the bottom of your slide shoe. if you are a bowler and you are competing on my pair you would be wise not to apply this type of product on your shoes. i will apply any and all pressure to make you change your mind and discontinue it's use.
And what are the people who stick supposed to do? Go home?
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in my opinion bowling center managers and owners do not spend enough time, effort, and money on the approaches in their centers. how can they expect customers to come back when something like this can cause/aggravate a physical problem ?
I agree INTENSELY AND WHOLEHEARTEDLY. See some of the other comments by people like Kong69, just above.
When I go to practice outside of league, 9 times out of 10, even after I look around the settee area, I am stepping on some candy or gum or popcorn or some other garbage some inconsiderate a**hole, who thinks only they exist in this world, threw on the floor.
But those who do stick have little choice in the matter, assuming their shoes are not the problem and their normal slide is proper.
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every time i go bowl whether it's open play practice, league, or a tournament, i thoroughly inspect the approaches and change my soles and/or heels as needed. my 3G tour ultra's have six(6) different soles and six(6) different heels for just this purpose. i also have a slide sock just in case.
I have one of Smash49's excellent slide socks. It was probably the most consistent slide sock I have ever had, YET it was not as slippery as the teflon discs I made for my Linds Exxxtras. I usually use one out of the 4 discs in my sole. I can also raise them well above the level of the leather base sole to insure I'm sliding on the teflon.
But what of others who do not have these accessories that you and I use???
(Already I got a private message from a BR.ocm member, asking me about my Teflon discs.)
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Post by: 302efi on October 25, 2008, 05:30:57 PM
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the rule was posted, i'm not going back to quote it, but it says something like, you can't use any foreign materials on your shoes IF it defaces the approach or hinders another bowlers ability to bowl under normal conditions. by your logic, you can't prove it's actually on the approach.
therefore, nothing illegal.
If someone uses Easy Slide or powder and then other people have a problem..sliding to much or falling over, then its a problem.
I don't slide, so it really doesnt effect me, but I have no problem stoppping someone from using it or confronting someone thats using it.
That sh*t is dangerous and should be bannd all together !
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I will head to my local pro shop. Right after I buy it online.
Sport Bowling is a F**king joke
Edited on 10/25/2008 5:31 PM
Post by: sdbowler on October 25, 2008, 05:34:53 PM
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Post by: JohnP on October 25, 2008, 07:06:18 PM
Post by: charlest on October 25, 2008, 07:36:11 PM
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I've been using the Bowler's Slide Sock for about 5 years now and haven't had the first problem with an approach. Buy one and try it, they're not expensive. If you don't like it, put it in your bag and try it again when you run into a sticky approach. But I'll bet if you will use it for 3 games you'll never bowl without one again. The link is in Smash49's signature. -- JohnP
Been there, done that. excellent product BUT tt wasn't enough FOR ME. See one of my previous replies.
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Post by: ucumin2 on October 25, 2008, 07:45:03 PM
Post by: ucumin2 on October 25, 2008, 08:54:49 PM
Post by: charlest on October 25, 2008, 09:12:43 PM
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ahh there's the online tough guy. Blame the bowler who can bowl not the 1 sticking and using powder. I blew my knee out because of the powder and the torn ligament it caused. There are so many Products out there that people can use that doesn't bother anyone. But most take the cheap way out and people get injured because of it. Prince so put ur wives powder away and come out 2 bowl with the guys who CAN. Bowl without it
Sorry for your injury, and I won't get in between you and Crowned Prince on this argument.
I understand your emotions towards the subject BUT I still say you should blame the bowler, not the tool he used. You should also blame the proprietor who was repsonsible, in the end, for not maintaining the approaches at the place where you fell and got hurt.
It's not a man thing and it's not a woman thing. Get over that. It's a bowler situation.
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Post by: ucumin2 on October 25, 2008, 09:32:10 PM
Post by: ucumin2 on October 25, 2008, 09:57:41 PM
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ya know what, i don't know how old you are and i don't really care. i'm 22, i blew my knee out when i was 16 and again when i was 18. i'll have to wear a brace every time i bowl, most likely for the rest of my life. i've got another good 40+ years of this if this rest of me stays healthy.
stop crying, if anyone has a reason to complain about having a bad knee it's me, and i don't care if anyone uses powders because i'll just slide more than i already do. i'll say it again, YOU needed to learn how to bowl in the first place if you got hurt by planting.
go whine somewhere else.quote:
Charlest I agree its the bowler not the tool. But that's the point don't use a tool unless you can use it correctly. Injury sucks but after 6 months I finally got timing and comfortable with stroke. Only thing I can say it hurt was my speed but its coming back
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Nobody crying here tough guy stating how I feel. Powder should be banned. Knowing your age no I can see why the tough guy comes out. When you grow up then you will understand opinions and understand causes of miss using products.
Post by: 302efi on October 25, 2008, 10:04:52 PM
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I will head to my local pro shop. Right after I buy it online.
Sport Bowling is a F**king joke
Post by: The Bowlers Edge 2 on October 25, 2008, 10:29:46 PM
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Someone post the link to "THE" vid and HammerBowler will go away from this thread
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Post by: JessN16 on October 26, 2008, 12:26:26 AM
I use it -- on my thumb, when it sticks. I'd use baby powder, but EZ-Slide is easier to transport. I never use it on my shoe.
I've seen more people injured because of slipping in other people's powder than because they stuck. And really, if you hurt yourself because you stick, you're only hurting yourself. If someone hurts themselves because you misapplied powder or cigarette ashes, they are hurt without deserving to be hurt or because of the actions of others. That's a big difference and a personal injury lawyer will be more than happy to explain the difference to you if you should, say, happen to injure someone in a car accident.
If I see EZ-Slide being abused when I'm bowling, I will go talk to that team's captain. If it persists, I will get a league officer involved. If still no one takes care of the problem, I'll get the house involved. If I have to take care of it myself after that, I'll do it, and I'm more than capable of doing it on my own.
The fact that EZ-Slide is not outlawed by name means nothing. It has applications outside of shoes (see earlier comments about using it on one's thumb). It is not possible to put a substance on a shoe and it not come off on the approach. If it was, you'd never have to re-apply it, but you do. That's a law of science.
It goes on the shoe, it will get on the approach, and while I'm not very susceptible to having a problem with it (I don't slide much), I will look out for others since I've seen nasty things result from its misuse. I can also be that a-hole rules stickler guy that everyone loves to hate, when I need to be. And I can take care of myself if someone wants to make an issue of it.
I realize some people know how to use it better than others, and if I see someone being extra careful, I probably won't say anything about it. But as soon as I see it used, it will be me and not the user that determines whether it continues to be used. Don't like it, don't let me catch you using it.
If it sounds like this is my pet issue, bingo, and I'm undefeated. I make no apologies for holding people to the rules when a potential injury is at stake. I'm a really nice guy 99.9 percent of the time but when I need to be an a-hole, I'm quite good at it.
Jess
Post by: 302efi on October 26, 2008, 12:52:43 AM
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It is not possible to put a substance on a shoe and it not come off on the approach. If it was, you'd never have to re-apply it, but you do. That's a law of science.
Very well said !
If it doesnt come off, why do you have to put more on ?
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I will head to my local pro shop. Right after I buy it online.
Sport Bowling is a F**king joke
Post by: nextbowler on October 26, 2008, 01:28:07 AM
knowing their true meaning. Blowing the knee out typically means a torn
ACL, MCL and Posterior Cruciate Ligament or the "Triad". Did you have the
surgery to repair them? Also since you don't like people who can't spell,
how about people who don't capitalize "I".
Jbuz---their means possession, there means a place. Just keeping it clean.
Post by: ucumin2 on October 26, 2008, 08:26:07 AM
Post by: KingofKings696 on October 26, 2008, 08:31:30 AM
Post by: RyanRPS on October 26, 2008, 09:15:10 AM
Ryan
Post by: jbuzz31 on October 26, 2008, 09:58:55 AM
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Post by: nextbowler on October 26, 2008, 05:04:44 PM
your knee blown up. Most scopes are cartilege problems.
Edited on 10/26/2008 5:06 PM
Post by: JessN16 on October 26, 2008, 05:21:26 PM
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Ucumin--not referring to you. However having your knee scoped is not having
your knee blown up. Most scopes are cartilege problems.
Edited on 10/26/2008 5:06 PM
How about a Grade III MCL tear? Or a comminuted fracture of the right wrist and two metacarpal fractures? I've seen both occur because of EZ-Slide accidents. In the case of the MCL, the guy stuck the second one, the guy slipped and fell on his wrist and hand. Neither bowler was the one using the product.
Regardless, a simple knee scope is too much. ANY injury is too much when it's due to someone else violating a rule on the books.
Jess
Post by: jbuzz31 on October 26, 2008, 05:34:12 PM
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ANY injury is too much when it's due to someone else violating a rule on the books.
Jess
and thats the truth
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Post by: handmeDN on October 26, 2008, 06:05:31 PM
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This doesn't mean there is anthing wrong with the approaches. I have seen people go to the bathroom with out shoe covers, walk outside or to the snack bar. And depending on the approaches some can be tacky depending on humidity. It isn't the Center's fault some people are stupid and don't know how to treat there shoes and use ez slide properly.
There is that also. It happens. Some people have little common sense or never realize what they do JUST MAY affect others.
Mostly, locally, it seems to be the center's fault.
One of our big local centers has synthetic approaches. FOr years they took excellent care of them. Never a problem by anyone. Barely slightly more tacky when it was humid. Last 2 years, they hardly sweep up the garbage open and/or drunk bowlers leave behind, from one day to the next. Major problens with the approaches. Middle of the approach at the foulline is slippery, yet the first 5 boards on the left and the right are both tacky, some making you stop dead!
Oh, as as proof, (this center is Brunswick Zone Carolier, where they hold the US Open every year.) Wes Mallott took a header over the foul line last year, while trying to make a 10 pin. The exact spot where most of us stick, every day and eveyr night, tring to make a 10 pin.
The first 6 years or so after they put in synthetic approaches and lanes there was hardly any problems at all. I suppose it has somehting to do with the cutbacks by Brunswick. Probably affects the maintenance budgets at all centers.
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We had a person fall from ez slide residue used by opposing bowlers. The HOUSE is liable for keeping people from useing products on their approaches just as they do not allow socks anymore. the moisture from damp feet will cause you to stick.
So if they want to allow people to use powder/ez slide the you should be able to wear boots or street tennis shoes or plain socks instead of shoes. handmeDN
Post by: nextbowler on October 26, 2008, 08:40:22 PM
to a vast exaggeration of what a blown up knee is. It is not a scope.
Post by: JessN16 on October 26, 2008, 09:36:16 PM
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Jess-How is a fracture of the wrist a knee problem? I was just referring
to a vast exaggeration of what a blown up knee is. It is not a scope.
It's not, but it's still a serious injury.
But if you want to limit it to a discussion of a Grade III MCL tear, I can do that, too. And a MCL tear of that magnitude does qualify as a "blown-up knee."
That's just the ones I've seen happen personally. Prior to meeting my wife, I briefly dated a girl who had bowled in college and who lost all three major knee ligaments in an accident in league a couple of years after she graduated. She believes her injury was caused by a substance on the approach. She went to slide, slipped, caught herself and then stuck and locked it up.
Jess
Post by: ucumin2 on October 26, 2008, 09:53:00 PM
Post by: nextbowler on October 27, 2008, 08:12:07 PM
is generally considered. Did you even require surgery, or was rest the
accepted treatment? By the way, there are 4 major knee ligaments.
Edited on 10/27/2008 8:13 PM
Post by: JessN16 on October 28, 2008, 12:53:45 PM
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No an MCL tear is not a blown up knee. I explained what a blown up knee
is generally considered. Did you even require surgery, or was rest the
accepted treatment? By the way, there are 4 major knee ligaments.
Edited on 10/27/2008 8:13 PM
My last post on this...
1) What you call a "blown-up knee" and what doctors recognize as such is apparently different. Surgery, immobilization for a month, two months of intensive rehab and another four months of less strenuous rehab is a significant injury. Just because the ACL, PCL and patellar tendon were not involved doesn't make it any less of an issue. And by the way, if you don't think a tear in a single ligament constitutes a "blown-up knee," tear just the PCL.
2) You seem to be either making excuses for using EZ-Slide, or requiring that injuries reach a certain threshold before you consider them significant. If that is your opinion, it does not matter. The rules have spoken on the issue and all it takes is one bowler who knows what the rule is to trigger enforcement of it. And if you're bowling against me, it will be enforced. Period.
Jess
Post by: nutsforbowling on October 28, 2008, 02:47:03 PM
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Me stupid. Me believe anything. Please tell me what to do.
Post by: KennyRambo on October 28, 2008, 04:43:01 PM
Post by: Smash49 on October 28, 2008, 07:23:08 PM
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Post by: nextbowler on October 28, 2008, 07:39:01 PM
the industry standard of what constitutes a blown up knee. It usually
is considered substantial damage to at least three ligaments--again nothing
about the patellar tendon.