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tloy

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Elephant in the Room?
« on: July 13, 2019, 08:33:25 AM »
With all the new rules, no weight holes, no cleaners ectů.It seems to me that USBC is totally ignoring the real issue. Walled up house shots and no control over the shot put out by the proprietors. I know this has been discussed before but I am all for setting up different levels of leagues with easy to harder to sport shots.

I have been bowling for 20 + years and have seen the advancements in technology. I agree the equipment has advanced signifigantly but so has the ability of modern lane machines to put down a very precise shot. I bowled on a high $ league 3 years ago that was 50 ft and flat. I could not get a Hyper cell to wrinkle on this.

I think the USBC needs to concentrate on this area first. Opinions?

 

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Re: Elephant in the Room?
« Reply #76 on: August 13, 2019, 12:20:01 AM »
Reading about the past is somewhat interesting.

I got my first finger tip ball in 1994, So I'm just young enough to have missed out on the whole urethane era.

Since I've gone no-thumb I almost exclusively throw urethane. I only use balls that flare, otherwise the carry down make the shot unplayable after a few frames. It must have been crazy in the 80's with everyone throwing it.

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Re: Elephant in the Room?
« Reply #77 on: August 13, 2019, 08:50:10 AM »
rebel,

In the 80's all patterns were short oil 30ft max so it was not as much of an issue.  Also the urethane balls from the 80's vs. urethane today are not even close to the same.  I have a purple Nitro from 1988 (approx.) and a 2018 purple pearl hammer.  With the hammer I have to be 15+ boards left of where I throw the Nitro and a completely different ball motion.  Certain conditions today demand urethane, but not too many house patterns do even if you are no thumb or a 2 hander.

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Re: Elephant in the Room?
« Reply #78 on: August 13, 2019, 11:26:26 PM »
Actually. Carrydown could be brutal in the 80s unless the pattern was a total top hat wall.  Ther was no buff out on most of the short patterns used back then.   

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Re: Elephant in the Room?
« Reply #79 on: August 14, 2019, 08:29:53 AM »
Actually. Carrydown could be brutal in the 80s unless the pattern was a total top hat wall.  Ther was no buff out on most of the short patterns used back then.   


A lot of that depended on how often the center stripped too. Using a Sun night strip, the pattern got progressively better as the week went on, until about Thurs, which is when it started to get ugly with too much carrydown. A refresh of the heads each night followed by the ole "duster".
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Re: Elephant in the Room?
« Reply #80 on: August 14, 2019, 09:55:16 AM »
Again, it depended on the pattern.  Prior to short oil rule in early 80s carry down was brutal on flat patterns.  Oil went off the heads and down lane quickly.   Lane men flooded the heads and stripped the back end more frequently to preserve back end reaction, but it actually worsened carrydown on urethane and synthetic finishes.   Short oil rule allowed  lanemen to put no oil outside which helped the carrydown problem.  Shot actually got better as oil carried down the middle, but none was their to carry down outside.

I bowled tournaments on flatter patterns where we had unlimited swing during warmups and were literally pointing it up off the gutter by midway through the second game.