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Title: Empty manufacturing Warehouses...
Post by: billdozer on June 14, 2020, 11:45:46 AM
It's been stewing in my head...

Do you guys think the San Antonio plant or even hopkinsville may eventually reopen under a new name?

900 did it when c300 was sold way back when...


I think bowling is in a different spot going forward and it's not likely but 900 was big regionally...

Thoughts?
Title: Re: Empty manufacturing Warehouses...
Post by: keegan.mier on June 14, 2020, 12:08:51 PM
While not directly answer you question because I don’t have an answer, I do know certain things are happening with Ebonite’s old testing facility in Hopkinsville.
Title: Re: Empty manufacturing Warehouses...
Post by: billdozer on June 14, 2020, 12:31:06 PM
Yeah I saw CTD got the testing part with the lanes.

I'm just curious if storm will sell the plant in SA or what.
Title: Re: Empty manufacturing Warehouses...
Post by: Remmah on June 14, 2020, 01:59:37 PM
If you are interested in buying it send them an offer the worst that can happen is they say no.
Title: Re: Empty manufacturing Warehouses...
Post by: Dave81644 on June 14, 2020, 04:29:14 PM
When 900 bought the old C300 plant, it had alot of equipment left behind.
wasn't to hard to get up back up and running.
Hopkinsville is basically empty, just a building.
Th investment for equipment alone would be staggering
Title: Re: Empty manufacturing Warehouses...
Post by: billdozer on June 15, 2020, 04:00:54 PM
When 900 bought the old C300 plant, it had alot of equipment left behind.
wasn't to hard to get up back up and running.
Hopkinsville is basically empty, just a building.
Th investment for equipment alone would be staggering
There's an answer.

So Brunswick made sure no one could just come in and be a competitor. Got it.

Makes sense...
Title: Re: Empty manufacturing Warehouses...
Post by: mainzer on June 15, 2020, 06:31:34 PM
When 900 bought the old C300 plant, it had alot of equipment left behind.
wasn't to hard to get up back up and running.
Hopkinsville is basically empty, just a building.
Th investment for equipment alone would be staggering
There's an answer.

So Brunswick made sure no one could just come in and be a competitor. Got it.

Makes sense...

When 900 bought the old C300 plant, it had alot of equipment left behind.
wasn't to hard to get up back up and running.
Hopkinsville is basically empty, just a building.
Th investment for equipment alone would be staggering
There's an answer.

So Brunswick made sure no one could just come in and be a competitor. Got it.

Makes sense...

From what I have heard Ebonite actually sent stuff to Brunswick
Title: Re: Empty manufacturing Warehouses...
Post by: Dave81644 on June 15, 2020, 06:40:32 PM
Brunswick bought everything except the buildings and the properties.
Everything else either went to Mexico or sold, or junked I suppose
Title: Re: Empty manufacturing Warehouses...
Post by: billdozer on June 16, 2020, 01:59:37 AM
Makes even more sense, perhaps the equipment being released will have more EBI charactistics that. We originally thought.

Very interesting.
Title: Re: Empty manufacturing Warehouses...
Post by: Dave81644 on June 16, 2020, 06:15:00 AM
I heard there is a “Hopkinsville” line in the Mexico plant.
The equipment is one thing, the chemicals Hopkinsville used for the covers, can that be replicated outside the USA?
That’s the challenge.
I’m not sure who all went to Brunswick, I’m sure some did, but others did not and we will see how that shakes out in the future. 
I’m still a made in USA guy whenever possible so I’ll throw all the Hopkinsville equipment until it’s wore out.
Title: Re: Empty manufacturing Warehouses...
Post by: Lord20352 on June 16, 2020, 07:28:43 AM
IT is always fun to see when people speculate, spout off without ever verifying the information you are hearing. Gets the facts first, then you will not appear to be ignorant.
Title: Re: Empty manufacturing Warehouses...
Post by: Dave81644 on June 16, 2020, 08:22:59 AM
Sure thing Jim, aren’t we allowed opinions?
Title: Re: Empty manufacturing Warehouses...
Post by: jimjames on June 16, 2020, 11:32:27 AM
IT is always fun to see when people speculate, spout off without ever verifying the information you are hearing. Gets the facts first, then you will not appear to be ignorant.


Lordy, lordy, lordy. And this from a staff member @ Brunswick. Go figure!   :o ::)
Title: Re: Empty manufacturing Warehouses...
Post by: billdozer on June 16, 2020, 01:18:33 PM
IT is always fun to see when people speculate, spout off without ever verifying the information you are hearing. Gets the facts first, then you will not appear to be ignorant.


This is probably the best thread on here in the past few months.

My initial hopes were for a third coming of c300/900.
Title: Re: Empty manufacturing Warehouses...
Post by: bowling4burgers on June 16, 2020, 03:26:39 PM
IT is always fun to see when people speculate, spout off without ever verifying the information you are hearing. Gets the facts first, then you will not appear to be ignorant.


This is probably the best thread on here in the past few months.

My initial hopes were for a third coming of c300/900.
"Made in San Antonio" balls have been pretty good for me, whatever the reasons.
Title: Re: Empty manufacturing Warehouses...
Post by: HankScorpio on June 16, 2020, 06:54:34 PM
I heard there is a “Hopkinsville” line in the Mexico plant.
The equipment is one thing, the chemicals Hopkinsville used for the covers, can that be replicated outside the USA?
That’s the challenge.
I’m not sure who all went to Brunswick, I’m sure some did, but others did not and we will see how that shakes out in the future. 
I’m still a made in USA guy whenever possible so I’ll throw all the Hopkinsville equipment until it’s wore out.

If you want to be a Made in USA guy, I’m not going to argue about it. Wouldn’t matter anyway.

But what does “can [Hopkinsville chemicals] be replicated outside of the USA” mean? I understand that they might not be able to replicate Hopkinsville exactly with different suppliers, but what does that have to do with their location?

Title: Re: Empty manufacturing Warehouses...
Post by: bradl on June 16, 2020, 08:12:55 PM
I heard there is a “Hopkinsville” line in the Mexico plant.
The equipment is one thing, the chemicals Hopkinsville used for the covers, can that be replicated outside the USA?
That’s the challenge.
I’m not sure who all went to Brunswick, I’m sure some did, but others did not and we will see how that shakes out in the future. 
I’m still a made in USA guy whenever possible so I’ll throw all the Hopkinsville equipment until it’s wore out.

If you want to be a Made in USA guy, I’m not going to argue about it. Wouldn’t matter anyway.

But what does “can [Hopkinsville chemicals] be replicated outside of the USA” mean? I understand that they might not be able to replicate Hopkinsville exactly with different suppliers, but what does that have to do with their location?

I tend to think about it like this, and let's use pharmaceuticals as an analogy. A particular vaccine that is used to treat a sickness is readily available and distributed in a country, or let's even say worldwide, and it is cheap and easy to access, to the point that anyone can go get vaccinated for cheap. However, in the US, it costs 10 to 25 times as much. Why? because while a particular company is US based, it it owns the patent to that vaccine, which prevents it from being reproduced cheaply. That in turn makes the availability of it more scarce, which drives up the prices. That's why some vaccines are easier to get outside the country than inside.

Well, let's reverse that. If some chemicals that EBI uses to make covers are patented by another company in that given country, that would make it harder for them to use their formulas to create that cover, even though it was easily able to be made here.

In short, the issue of trademarks and patents could cause the issue here, where Brunswick/EBI may not be able to recreate those chemicals for those covers due to patent infringement in the country where the plant is located.

BL.
Title: Re: Empty manufacturing Warehouses...
Post by: milorafferty on June 16, 2020, 08:53:57 PM
So wouldn't Brunswick be the owner of those patents now? Since they bought the ENTIRE company, I'm betting they do. If not the patent, then at least the contracts for the patent.
Title: Re: Empty manufacturing Warehouses...
Post by: bradl on June 17, 2020, 12:46:30 PM
So wouldn't Brunswick be the owner of those patents now? Since they bought the ENTIRE company, I'm betting they do. If not the patent, then at least the contracts for the patent.

They could be the owner of the patents in ONE country, but not in the other. That is the issue.

BL.
Title: Re: Empty manufacturing Warehouses...
Post by: ignitebowling on June 17, 2020, 01:54:27 PM
One uses Bayer one used BASF.  Id assume if you want BASF reaction you need BASF product.
Title: Re: Empty manufacturing Warehouses...
Post by: billdozer on June 17, 2020, 09:54:40 PM
IT is always fun to see when people speculate, spout off without ever verifying the information you are hearing. Gets the facts first, then you will not appear to be ignorant.


This is probably the best thread on here in the past few months.

My initial hopes were for a third coming of c300/900.
"Made in San Antonio" balls have been pretty good for me, whatever the reasons.

Same. Been a happy guy for a long time