Author Topic: Ever start laying out a ball . . (Read 10667 times)

Gizmo823 · « **on:** December 10, 2013, 01:31:34 PM »

. . and don't like where the layout puts the fingers, so you keep adjusting the numbers a bit at a time until it looks right, which completely negates picking out a layout in the first place? Laying out a Primal Rage, started at 65x4x35, but I really like where 60x4.5x40 puts the fingers a lot better, but lol that's not the reaction I want . . what a damn princess . .

Impending Doom · « **Reply #16 on:** December 11, 2013, 11:00:11 AM »

Quote from: itsallaboutme on December 11, 2013, 10:49:01 AM

You never can get two of the same ball drilled identical to be the same, so don't sweat the small stuff.

But if you think that half an inch and 5 degrees are going to make a difference maybe you'll strike once more next month. Let's see, an extra strike a month, 9 month season, almost a pin in average.

Times that by 10 balls to bowl on the THS, and that's 10 pins in average!

Gizmo823 · « **Reply #17 on:** December 11, 2013, 11:23:14 AM »

Lmao . . I don't strike any more or any less with balls that I dual angle or don't . . Funny how this works though. You downplay it and say it's not that important, then people think you're clueless and/or lazy. You get too technical and people say it's not as big of a deal as you're making it. Doesn't seem to be any middle of the road with anybody in bowling.

Quote from: Impending Doom on December 11, 2013, 11:00:11 AM

Quote from: itsallaboutme on December 11, 2013, 10:49:01 AM
You never can get two of the same ball drilled identical to be the same, so don't sweat the small stuff.

But if you think that half an inch and 5 degrees are going to make a difference maybe you'll strike once more next month. Let's see, an extra strike a month, 9 month season, almost a pin in average.

Times that by 10 balls to bowl on the THS, and that's 10 pins in average!

Impending Doom · « **Reply #18 on:** December 11, 2013, 11:27:01 AM »

Well, 5 degrees isn't really going to make much of a difference, especially on a house shot. As always, you're going to see a bigger difference due to surface prep. The guys that I like are the ones that are like "I laid this out 52x4-1/8x36.3" Really?

itsallaboutme · « **Reply #19 on:** December 11, 2013, 11:30:07 AM »

The guys that are good enough for it to make a difference don't care about it and the guys that care about it aren't good enough for it to make a difference.

That bout sums it up.

dR3w · « **Reply #20 on:** December 11, 2013, 11:30:14 AM »

I'd love to see a comparison video to see if those small changes make a difference. And I mean one with a throbot, or something consistent. Perhaps Blueprint or one of those other software programs out there. I'm guess on a house shot, it would be hardly noticeable. Maybe a little more noticeable on a tougher pattern.

And I find myself moving the center of the grip often to try to keep the pin from being partially drilled out ... all the time.

Quote from: Gizmo823 on December 10, 2013, 01:31:34 PM

. . and don't like where the layout puts the fingers, so you keep adjusting the numbers a bit at a time until it looks right, which completely negates picking out a layout in the first place? Laying out a Primal Rage, started at 65x4x35, but I really like where 60x4.5x40 puts the fingers a lot better, but lol that's not the reaction I want . . what a damn princess . .

itsallaboutme · « **Reply #21 on:** December 11, 2013, 11:41:33 AM »

Maybe with Throbot and CATS, but not with a human throwing it or just watching the ball reaction. Especially the bowler throwing the ball watching the ball reaction.

Impending Doom · « **Reply #22 on:** December 11, 2013, 11:51:48 AM »

Quote from: dR3w on December 11, 2013, 11:30:14 AM

I'd love to see a comparison video to see if those small changes make a difference. And I mean one with a throbot, or something consistent. Perhaps Blueprint or one of those other software programs out there. I'm guess on a house shot, it would be hardly noticeable. Maybe a little more noticeable on a tougher pattern.

And I find myself moving the center of the grip often to try to keep the pin from being partially drilled out ... all the time.

Quote from: Gizmo823 on December 10, 2013, 01:31:34 PM
. . and don't like where the layout puts the fingers, so you keep adjusting the numbers a bit at a time until it looks right, which completely negates picking out a layout in the first place? Laying out a Primal Rage, started at 65x4x35, but I really like where 60x4.5x40 puts the fingers a lot better, but lol that's not the reaction I want . . what a damn princess . .

Of the same ball.

dR3w · « **Reply #23 on:** December 11, 2013, 12:09:40 PM »

Not sure if that is a question ... but yeah, of the same ball.

Two balls, same specs, slightly different drills. You would probably have to use a flat shot to see the difference, because on a house shot, they might both strike with just slightly different lines (or shapes).

And in the end if one ball hooked 1 board more on the back or midlane, would that really matter to a customer? And like someone pointed out earlier, surface adjustment will mean more (most of the time).

Quote from: Impending Doom on December 11, 2013, 11:51:48 AM

Quote from: dR3w on December 11, 2013, 11:30:14 AM
I'd love to see a comparison video to see if those small changes make a difference. And I mean one with a throbot, or something consistent. Perhaps Blueprint or one of those other software programs out there. I'm guess on a house shot, it would be hardly noticeable. Maybe a little more noticeable on a tougher pattern.

And I find myself moving the center of the grip often to try to keep the pin from being partially drilled out ... all the time.

Quote from: Gizmo823 on December 10, 2013, 01:31:34 PM
. . and don't like where the layout puts the fingers, so you keep adjusting the numbers a bit at a time until it looks right, which completely negates picking out a layout in the first place? Laying out a Primal Rage, started at 65x4x35, but I really like where 60x4.5x40 puts the fingers a lot better, but lol that's not the reaction I want . . what a damn princess . .

Of the same ball.

Gizmo823 · « **Reply #24 on:** December 11, 2013, 12:24:45 PM »

Differing ball specs would have more of an effect, especially on a house shot. What's a 1 or half board difference when you have 5 to work with? And would you even notice or make that incredibly small adjustment without even knowing it? We're into itsallaboutme's law of diminishing returns . .

itsallaboutme · « **Reply #25 on:** December 11, 2013, 12:33:31 PM »

Come on now, don't start thinking like that. You'll take the fun out of it for me.

When you trip the 4 next month you can say if was that extra 5 degrees of layout. Tripping the 4 is a lost art ya know.

Gizmo823 · « **Reply #26 on:** December 11, 2013, 12:58:05 PM »

I'll keep a log . .

Quote from: itsallaboutme on December 11, 2013, 12:33:31 PM

Come on now, don't start thinking like that. You'll take the fun out of it for me.

When you trip the 4 next month you can say if was that extra 5 degrees of layout. Tripping the 4 is a lost art ya know.

dR3w · « **Reply #27 on:** December 11, 2013, 01:06:58 PM »

Quote from: Gizmo823 on December 11, 2013, 12:24:45 PM

Differing ball specs would have more of an effect, especially on a house shot. What's a 1 or half board difference when you have 5 to work with? And would you even notice or make that incredibly small adjustment without even knowing it? We're into itsallaboutme's law of diminishing returns . .

I understand your point, but if you can only get your ball to hook 4 or 5 boards on a house shot, then 5 degrees and/or .5" of pin position isn't gonna get you 25% more hook.

itsallaboutme · « **Reply #28 on:** December 11, 2013, 01:21:30 PM »

5 boards of area, not 5 boards of total hook.

dR3w · « **Reply #29 on:** December 11, 2013, 01:22:52 PM »

Quote from: itsallaboutme on December 11, 2013, 01:21:30 PM

5 boards of area, not 5 boards of total hook.

Ok thanks ... senior moment.

avabob · « **Reply #30 on:** December 11, 2013, 02:26:11 PM »

Surface prep, and your own style of release have immensely more impact on carry than a small difference in layout.

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