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Every Ball Review is Positive
« on: April 14, 2017, 10:27:33 AM »
I appreciate that most balls manufactured today are of good quality but every review it seems by bowlers on this site are positive. Nobody ever posts any negative ball reviews which seems counter productive. I know there are a lot of staffers who post thus they can't dare say anything bad about a ball but every non-staffer too? I just started to use this site a lot and would like more honest opinions on balls or any subject. Take care

 

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Re: Every Ball Review is Positive
« Reply #16 on: April 14, 2017, 10:01:33 PM »
The main "bad review" ball that comes to mind for me would be the Columbia EPX. If I remember right, the majority of the reviews here on that ball were negative.

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Re: Every Ball Review is Positive
« Reply #17 on: April 14, 2017, 10:44:13 PM »
I remember a few years ago there was a ball released and many complaints about the ball not reacting good.  Turns out there was a batch where they forgot to add the resin so the ball was basically a pearl urethane.

The company did replace those balls for those bowlers who complained. 


What ball was that??

I've been racking my brain trying to remember and I am thinking it was called the Energy.
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Re: Every Ball Review is Positive
« Reply #18 on: April 14, 2017, 10:47:32 PM »
Yeah, that was it.  Just found a review for it, see reply #6.

http://www.ballreviews.com/dynothane/energy-t603.0.html



Found the original topic where the problem was discussed.

http://www.ballreviews.com/dynothane/drilled-the-energy-today-wow-t77455.0.html
« Last Edit: April 15, 2017, 02:34:35 AM by MI 2 AZ »
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Re: Every Ball Review is Positive
« Reply #19 on: April 14, 2017, 10:52:47 PM »
actually there were batches of the Roto Grip MTX that had a similar problem..the MTX I bought was listed as such, ordered it from Europe...the shipping cost me more than the ball did.

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Re: Every Ball Review is Positive
« Reply #20 on: April 15, 2017, 04:42:42 AM »
I remember a few years ago there was a ball released and many complaints about the ball not reacting good.  Turns out there was a batch where they forgot to add the resin so the ball was basically a pearl urethane.

The company did replace those balls for those bowlers who complained. 


There were also a few particle balls that were produced without the particles in the coverstock. I forget which ones right now, as it was a long time ago.
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Re: Every Ball Review is Positive
« Reply #21 on: April 15, 2017, 05:23:39 AM »
I remember a few years ago there was a ball released and many complaints about the ball not reacting good.  Turns out there was a batch where they forgot to add the resin so the ball was basically a pearl urethane.

The company did replace those balls for those bowlers who complained. 


There were also a few particle balls that were produced without the particles in the coverstock. I forget which ones right now, as it was a long time ago.

 One was the Brunswick Sidewinder. They ended up marketing it as the Sidewinder reactive, but it was initially just a "mistake" ball without the particle additive.
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Re: Every Ball Review is Positive
« Reply #22 on: April 15, 2017, 09:42:09 AM »
I remember a few years ago there was a ball released and many complaints about the ball not reacting good.  Turns out there was a batch where they forgot to add the resin so the ball was basically a pearl urethane.

The company did replace those balls for those bowlers who complained. 


There were also a few particle balls that were produced without the particles in the coverstock. I forget which ones right now, as it was a long time ago.

 One was the Brunswick Sidewinder. They ended up marketing it as the Sidewinder reactive, but it was initially just a "mistake" ball without the particle additive.

Yup, now that you mention it,  I remember that one
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Re: Every Ball Review is Positive
« Reply #23 on: April 15, 2017, 09:53:13 AM »
I remember a few years ago there was a ball released and many complaints about the ball not reacting good.  Turns out there was a batch where they forgot to add the resin so the ball was basically a pearl urethane.

The company did replace those balls for those bowlers who complained. 


There were also a few particle balls that were produced without the particles in the coverstock. I forget which ones right now, as it was a long time ago.

 One was the Brunswick Sidewinder. They ended up marketing it as the Sidewinder reactive, but it was initially just a "mistake" ball without the particle additive.

I always wanted one of those, if I could find a brand new one today I'd definitely drill it for myself. I remember the original marketing being particle but it changing shortly after its release

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Re: Every Ball Review is Positive
« Reply #24 on: April 15, 2017, 10:55:12 AM »
Truly bad balls aren't released anymore.  Bad reviews now mostly come from people who are doing something wrong.  Wrong layout, wrong surface, using the ball on the wrong condition, etc., or maybe just flat not matching up with something.  I try to keep my reviews as neutral as possible.  I'll offer MY opinion on the ball, but describe the ball attributes and let you decide for yourself.  In this era, you really shouldn't pay much attention to reviews anyway.  Go onto youtube, find a good video and watch the ball reaction with the video muted, even on mine.  If you want to hear what I have to say, cool, but I'd actually recommend watching the video first muted so you can just get a pure "feeling" on the ball reaction.  If you're not a fan of the reaction in the first place, don't let what I say or what anyone else says talk you into getting it. 

Ball reviews should be about making sure you get the right stuff.  If a ball sucks, it shouldn't be my responsibility to talk it up, it should be the company's responsibility to make better equipment.  I didn't make videos for the newer pearl Hustles because I couldn't stand the other two, but some people love them.  I didn't like my Timeless either, but I've seen it look really good in the hands of the right bowlers, so even though I expressed my dislike for it, I made sure I was fair (hopefully). 

Storm/Roto at least does NOT give us instructions for videos or reviews.  They give us guidelines for presentation or format but NOT content.  If we dislike a ball, they don't care if we roast it because our honest feedback is information they can use to create future releases.  But yes I'll agree, most staffers say everything new is the greatest ball ever to brownnose and suck up to the company.  I however don't feel that a review is relevant or meaningful if you can't trust the person doing it to give it to you straight or to just flat out describe the ball reaction.  I don't care how much you like it, and I really don't think a ball goes 50 feet and turns sideways . . I just want to know how it reacts. 
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Re: Every Ball Review is Positive
« Reply #25 on: April 15, 2017, 11:37:32 AM »
I appreciate all of the responses to my post. I know there are really no "bad" balls produced but there have to be balls in same categories that are not as good as another in same category. And I appreciate that drill, pattern, style, and just personal preference dictate what one bowler thinks is good vs. bad vs. mediocre.

I was getting a lot of balls from high level tournament bowler who didn't put a lot games on them as he liked having fresh equipment all of the time when he competes. We share very similar styles except I am not as talented so I only bowl leagues but our spans were close and he used same switch grip so only ever plugged fingers. And trying a lot of different balls is fun and in so doing I may like one he didn't as vice versa and as a result I was late to game and tried the IQ Tour for first time about 2 months ago and I love it and will get another as a result. Same time I got a Hyper Cell Skid from him that he had drilled to make it very smooth and I tried it and didn't like it at all but like many of you have said that was more of a personal dislike for it as drilled.

The one new ball I purchased this season was a Fanatic BTU as I liked the descriptions of the ball and some reviews looking for something for the dry lanes I bowl hoping for a different look than other dry lane balls I already own. Big disappointment based on reviews and the claim it had a Urethane ball shape which to me it clearly does not but is a fine dry lane ball. And because of the price I would never recommend it for purchase as there are other balls that will have a similar reaction at much lower prices. Just my $0.02, again thanks for everyone's responses.

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Re: Every Ball Review is Positive
« Reply #26 on: April 15, 2017, 07:31:27 PM »
I agree on viewing a good video on youtube and watching the ball reaction. It's how I've chosen my last two bowling balls. though I prefer watching the videos muted cause I find all the music they feel the need to add in the video to be irritating and unnecessary. I'd much rather hear some ball commentary from the reviewer or nothing at all and just listen to the ball roll down the lane and hear how it strikes the pins. Just my 2 cents.
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Re: Every Ball Review is Positive
« Reply #27 on: April 15, 2017, 09:34:58 PM »
Well, I will say when Riggs use to be on this site, when he would do a review, he did them honestly and not sugar coat anything. If there was something he didn't like, he would say he didn't like it and then attempt to adjust the cover as many times and advise what reaction he got with them and if he liked it 'for him'. He is/was one of the few staffers that when I saw his review, I didn't have a problem with them. He's a journalist as well and his integrity is always on the line when he writes. If more people wrote reviews like his, I know questions about the 'reviews always being good' would be less. It's all about matchup and cover prep. If you had a problem with a ball and you made adjustments and now it's great, I would expect you who's doing a review to state exactly that. I had issues with xyz, I tried abc and def and FBI and this was my results with them and then something like 'I liked it with xxx' or 'I still didn't like it with the adjustments I made but xxx worked the best for me'.

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Re: Every Ball Review is Positive
« Reply #28 on: April 15, 2017, 09:58:24 PM »
Exactly ^^^^   Couldn't of said it better myself.

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Re: Every Ball Review is Positive
« Reply #29 on: April 15, 2017, 10:04:59 PM »
If you throw it well enough to be on staff, everything looks good. You can clearly "figure it out" and repeat shots better than your peers. So of course every review is going to be positive from a staff member. Staff members are able to compartmentalize ball reaction so they see the benefits of every ball they get. The review is going to be based on the reaction they see once they "figure it out".

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Re: Every Ball Review is Positive
« Reply #30 on: April 15, 2017, 10:49:15 PM »
I always shoot straight. If I don't like it, I'll call it out. If it rolls like a turd, I'll sniff it out.  Storm knows they're making some totally so-so product compared to the greatness that was 2008-2012....

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