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General Category => Miscellaneous => Topic started by: Pinbuster on August 18, 2020, 06:06:38 AM
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I bowl in two fall/winter leagues and both had meetings in the last week.
In one house the league I'm in lost just one 5 person team so we are down from 10 teams to 9. There are no other leagues on that night. We are putting empty pairs between matches but 2 teams are bowling each other on a pair.
In the other our league kept the same number of 3 person teams. But there was a
small women's league of 6 teams that folded and another 5 person league that went from 12 teams to 8. So I figure they lost about 45 bowlers on that night. Here we are bowling pairs next to another match. There is not enough room in the house to separate matches.
Response to fall leagues has been better than I thought it might be and had feared a 30 to 40 percent drop off due to covid. I don't know how other houses and leagues are doing.
We are required to wear mask while not in the bowling area but not while bowling.
There was discussion on what to do if a bowler in the league came down with covid. Obviously the bowler infected needs to stay away until cleared medically. But what about the rest of the team? Do you allow the team to stop competing for a couple of weeks and make up at a later date?
Currently we are letting the rest of the team bowl if they want and if the team chooses to make up missed matches at a later date.
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Having a team member test positive is definitely a worst-case scenario. I believe the responsible thing to do would be for the rest of the team to stay out of the bowling center for 14 days, and then come back when they are certain they are clear. Allowing them to make up the 2 missed sessions seems reasonable as long as it is done in a defined amount of time.
It also isn't just their teammates that need to worry about it. It would be whoever was on a pair with them prior to their positive diagnosis. That is a potential exposure that might also need to stay away for 14 days. Hard to really say, though.
Leagues here are going full-tilt this Fall. Full nightly schedules, no empty lanes between bowlers, masks optional, full food service, drinks, etc. It is kind of scary, and in some cases in total opposition of state guidelines, but the bowling centers are doing their thing and relying predominantly on the bowlers to be the responsible parties and avoid risky behaviors.
I have been bowling on leagues now for the past 6 weeks, and wear a mask and stay away from others. So far, so good. We have made it longer without a positive case being reported by a bowler than I thought we would.
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Having a team member test positive is definitely a worst-case scenario. I believe the responsible thing to do would be for the rest of the team to stay out of the bowling center for 14 days, and then come back when they are certain they are clear. Allowing them to make up the 2 missed sessions seems reasonable as long as it is done in a defined amount of time.
It also isn't just their teammates that need to worry about it. It would be whoever was on a pair with them prior to their positive diagnosis. That is a potential exposure that might also need to stay away for 14 days. Hard to really say, though.
Leagues here are going full-tilt this Fall. Full nightly schedules, no empty lanes between bowlers, masks optional, full food service, drinks, etc. It is kind of scary, and in some cases in total opposition of state guidelines, but the bowling centers are doing their thing and relying predominantly on the bowlers to be the responsible parties and avoid risky behaviors.
I have been bowling on leagues now for the past 6 weeks, and wear a mask and stay away from others. So far, so good. We have made it longer without a positive case being reported by a bowler than I thought we would.
It is kind of scary, yet you are still bowling in leagues now for the past 6 weeks.
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Having a team member test positive is definitely a worst-case scenario. I believe the responsible thing to do would be for the rest of the team to stay out of the bowling center for 14 days, and then come back when they are certain they are clear. Allowing them to make up the 2 missed sessions seems reasonable as long as it is done in a defined amount of time.
It also isn't just their teammates that need to worry about it. It would be whoever was on a pair with them prior to their positive diagnosis. That is a potential exposure that might also need to stay away for 14 days. Hard to really say, though.
Leagues here are going full-tilt this Fall. Full nightly schedules, no empty lanes between bowlers, masks optional, full food service, drinks, etc. It is kind of scary, and in some cases in total opposition of state guidelines, but the bowling centers are doing their thing and relying predominantly on the bowlers to be the responsible parties and avoid risky behaviors.
I have been bowling on leagues now for the past 6 weeks, and wear a mask and stay away from others. So far, so good. We have made it longer without a positive case being reported by a bowler than I thought we would.
It is kind of scary, yet you are still bowling in leagues now for the past 6 weeks.
Well, yes. But at the same time it is nice to get out of the house for a couple of hours per week. It is unnerving to see 70-80 bowlers, not socially distanced, hugging each other, giving each other five, and only 10% of them wearing masks. It would be less scary if people would simply follow guidelines until everything blows over.
Between bowling and going to the grocery store once a week for essentials, I am only out of the house for 4 hours total each week.
Wear the mask, don't touch anyone, stand away from others as best as possible, don't touch your face/eyes/nose and keeps hands clean and you are going to most likely be OK. However there is still that chance of someone coming in sick, and exposure occurring despite best efforts.
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We only have an 8 lane house and it looks like we will not be starting league bowling for a good while around here, so my thought would be that we will not have a fall and winter league this year.... Bummer!!!
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Bowl in two houses, and one they are pretty fast and loose with following guidelines and the other has one team per pair, with the opponent on the next pair.
Sadly most of my team on both leagues decided to not bowl this season.
Short of subbing going to be a quiet fall/winter for me in MN.
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idea bowling center maybe do a pba style one team bowl 2 frames ,then next team and new usbc rules first bowler does not wait to bowl 2nd frame ect
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idea bowling center maybe do a pba style one team bowl 2 frames ,then next team and new usbc rules first bowler does not wait to bowl 2nd frame ect
There is nothing in the rule book now that says the first bowler has to wait. Rule 106b(2) allows for the next frame to begin before completion of the previous frame.
106b. Order of Bowling
Unless the league rules allow each game or frame to be bowled on a different pair of lanes, members of competing teams shall successively, and in regular order, bowl one frame on one lane, and for the next frame alternate and use the other lane until five frames are bowled on each lane of the pair.
1. No changes can be made in the order of players after the start of a game.
2. When a team bowls against another team or alone, the next frame may be started prior to completion of the previous frame, unless the league rules state otherwise.
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The idea that bowling is a dangerous potentially deadly activity is stupid beyond belief. People need to stop watching the fear porn on TV. Do they really believe that some virus magically knows when it is in a bowling alley and will then strike out randomly with deadly force?
Was at home depot a few weeks ago, left w/o buying items b/c the line was insanely long. No temperature check. No one worried about items on shelves being contaminated. Not much "social distancing" either.
Does this mean cv-19 knows when it is in a bowling alley and when it is in Home Depot.
Or maybe it knows when it is in a small business and to kill people then, but not to kill people when it may harm billionaires? Those rich people need more money! Throw poor people out of business! That is all i see here.
CV-19 always was and continue to be a fraud...
Bottom line is this - those who do not support their bowling alleys, are putting them out of business by abandoning them in time of desperate need. If someone wants bowling to remain, they should go and pay for the bowling alley to remain open.
If they are too scarred to bowl, then mail in a donation to your bowling alley, pay them as if you were in league, so they will be open if/when you ever feel it is ok to leave your home.
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::) ???
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Our fall league starts tonite, 40+tms with 5 member, so over 200 bowlers. Alley follows the guidelines and we enforce when we can.
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Our fall league starts tonite, 40+tms with 5 member, so over 200 bowlers. Alley follows the guidelines and we enforce when we can.
How are 200 bowlers maintaining the 6ft social distance? Did the center make any changes to help out in that regard? Just curious. Our center went to a new layout for the seating behind the lanes, but it did nothing for social distancing.
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We had our league meeting last night and with 34 teams & having to go to two shifts it was as acrimonious as this (https://twitter.com/MikeDixon_VSD/status/1296209568960147456).
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We had our league meeting last night and with 34 teams & having to go to two shifts it was as acrimonious as this (https://twitter.com/MikeDixon_VSD/status/1296209568960147456).
Bowlers being bowlers. ;D
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Our fall league starts tonite, 40+tms with 5 member, so over 200 bowlers. Alley follows the guidelines and we enforce when we can.
We had our first night last night, actually 38 tms of 5. Went smoothly. Seating was semi-distanced. Masks were enforced all times except to bowl and at tables only. Walking around we had to wear. Otherwise, went pretty well.
How are 200 bowlers maintaining the 6ft social distance? Did the center make any changes to help out in that regard? Just curious. Our center went to a new layout for the seating behind the lanes, but it did nothing for social distancing.
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I think bowling league just need to relabel themselves either as racism protests or Home Depot, and then the 6 foot social distance thing is solved.
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I think bowling league just need to relabel themselves either as racism protests or Home Depot, and then the 6 foot social distance thing is solved.
WTH???
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I think he is saying those people don't follow social distancing rules?
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I think bowling league just need to relabel themselves either as racism protests or Home Depot, and then the 6 foot social distance thing is solved.
There are only two things that are infinite: The Universe, and human stupidity; and I am not sure about the former. - Albert Einstein
Congratulations. You just proved Einstein correct.
Again.
BL.
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Well mass gathering are fine at a BLM event. So in comparison why is bowling dangerous.
Home Depot has been open all this time. I was in a home depot about 3 weeks ago. It was so crowded I didn't purchase my item, the line would have taken an hour wait. So Home Depot is safe, no social distancing going on there.
But at the same time the bowling alley 1 mile away was still closed by our Fuhrer Cuomo, dictator of NYS.
So by this logic, bowling leagues need to relabel themselves as BLM protest groups, and then also if the bowling alley could sell some hammer and nails, then all will be fine.
Why are people calling me stupid? It's society that is stupid. The rules are stupid. It's all make up bullshit. And clearly people know this, b/c they only seem to care about rules when there is something fun to do. No bowling. No sports, No concerts. But Home depot is fine. Mob protest destroying Portland is find also. Shopping at Whole Foods is find. But bowling will kill you? Someone has to be stupid to fall for all this bullshit.
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Common airspace indoors is the enemy with this virus. Research shows the risk of infection is 19x higher in indoor settings with shared airspace than in outdoor settings. Further research shows that extended conversations among non-household people in indoor settings are even worse.
The problem with the bowling center is that you are sharing indoor airspace and having extended conversations with people outside of your household for extended periods of time, sometimes a couple of hours at a time when league bowling. Couple that with people still high-fiving, hugging, sharing food, not wearing masks, not washing hands, sharing common touch points, etc. and the situation gets even worse. Throw in the added element of the bowing center not enforcing all guidelines, not screening customers, or ignoring other safety precautions. Everything adds up to a very risky indoor environment in which to spend extended amounts of time.
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What research? Source?
Where does the "19x" figure come from?
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What research? Source?
Where does the "19x" figure come from?
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/05/how-will-we-ever-be-safe-inside/611953/
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Common airspace indoors is the enemy with this virus. Research shows the risk of infection is 19x higher in indoor settings with shared airspace than in outdoor settings.
19x still isn't enough to stop you from league bowling for the past 6 weeks. When will you stop? When "The Atlantic" publishes the next left wing biased B.S. research that shows 20x???
Meanwhile out in CA and NYS we are still locked down with no bowling centers open. It sucks and it is BS.
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Common airspace indoors is the enemy with this virus. Research shows the risk of infection is 19x higher in indoor settings with shared airspace than in outdoor settings.
19x still isn't enough to stop you from league bowling for the past 6 weeks. When will you stop? When "The Atlantic" publishes the next left wing biased B.S. research that shows 20x???
Meanwhile out in CA and NYS we are still locked down with no bowling centers open. It sucks and it is BS.
Yes, I have been bowling for the past 6 weeks. I wear a mask the entire time, don't touch others, keep my hands clean, don't touch my face, don't eat or drink while bowling, and barely talk to anyone. I wash my hands with soap and water immediately after bowling, then sanitize my hands again when I get to my car before removing my mask and getting in the car. It isn't the most fun environment, but it is something to do. It may not be the best idea to be in the bowling center, but whatever.
I don't plan to stop bowling anytime soon. Business at my local center is down 40% since reopening, and they are barely breaking even. Going to continue to bowl and support them. I would like to be on more than one league, but don't want to be in the center more than once a week at this point.
Cuomo approved bowling centers in NYS to reopen as of yesterday. The capacity restrictions he put in place are similar to what we have here in PA.
The whole situation has sucked for the past 6 months and will continue to suck for the foreseesble future. Things aren't going to change drastically anytime soon. It is pointless to politicize this whole thing, but if the left wins in November we are really screwed. The country has been dealt this stupid virus and we have to learn to live with it.
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With 180,000 dead from Covid-19 already, it's a stretch to think it will get any better with the same crowd currently in power.
Science-deniers always clamor towards the excuse that it's nothing more than left wing propaganda. If we want to perpetuate this economic calamity and its effect on bowling, all we have to keep on doing is denying facts, ignore social distancing.
We are all frustrated, but denying facts will only tend to prolong our collective misery. Let's not forget the families who have lost loved ones due to Covid-19. Ask some of them how they feel.
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With 180,000 dead from Covid-19 already, it's a stretch to think it will get any better with the same crowd currently in power.
Science-deniers always clamor towards the excuse that it's nothing more than left wing propaganda. If we want to perpetuate this economic calamity and its effect on bowling, all we have to keep on doing is denying facts, ignore social distancing.
We are all frustrated, but denying facts will only tend to prolong our collective misery. Let's not forget the families who have lost loved ones due to Covid-19. Ask some of them how they feel.
So there are no "left-wing" science-deniers?
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Well mass gathering are fine at a BLM event. So in comparison why is bowling dangerous.
I don't even know where to begin with this. Whether to begin with the inanity of the drivel you've posted, or the pettiness of the fact that while this is a bowling forum and we all want to bowl, that you're wanting and willing to put bowling before your health and the health of others, and rationalize it by comparing bowling to how black people are exercising their 1A right because of how they are being disproportionately being treated by police..
Talk about low information, out of touch, and straw man all in a single post, and still proving Einstein right. And while I'll regret it in the morning like that idiot that took too many shots after downing a 3-day old shrimp burrito with habanero salsa, you're looking to get called out, so in for a sheep.
Home Depot has been open all this time. I was in a home depot about 3 weeks ago. It was so crowded I didn't purchase my item, the line would have taken an hour wait. So Home Depot is safe, no social distancing going on there.
Where was your due diligence and vigilance to call the manager over and tell them to enforce social distancing, as they should be doing? Apparently you either forgot or weren't savvy enough to remember when you were called out here for masks being a hoax and were quoted Justice Harlan from that SCOTUS case I hit you with. That gives Cuomo (I'll get to that useless drivel/comment in a bit) the right to order that distancing that you should be complying with. You could have had them handle that situation. Shoulda, Coulda, DIDN'T. that's on you.
And still comparing that to BLM has to be the dumbest straw man argument you've had.
But at the same time the bowling alley 1 mile away was still closed by our Fuhrer Cuomo, dictator of NYS.
Let's see.. supplies needed to keep a roof over your head, our infrastructure running, let alone commerce for our "beloved" economy going.. but a bowling alley 1 mile away from your house is more important.
First world Problem right here, let alone a sense of entitlement. But in also for a straw man: I suppose you're also willing to make sure that schools are open to send your children to, yes?
I await your answer for that.... if you have one at all.
So by this logic, bowling leagues need to relabel themselves as BLM protest groups, and then also if the bowling alley could sell some hammer and nails, then all will be fine.
Careful there, Kevin. you're letting your inner bigotry show.
Why are people calling me stupid? It's society that is stupid. The rules are stupid. It's all make up bullshit. And clearly people know this, b/c they only seem to care about rules when there is something fun to do. No bowling. No sports, No concerts. But Home depot is fine. Mob protest destroying Portland is find also. Shopping at Whole Foods is find. But bowling will kill you? Someone has to be stupid to fall for all this bullshit.
And now you try to play the victim. You just spewed some serious bigotry, played the role of the Entitled Kevin, and now cry "what about me", as you get called out for your stupidity. You should run for POTUS! Oh wait, there is someone already using that playbook. That would make you a carbon copy.
But I digress. I guess buying groceries will kill you. keeping our infrastructure will kill you. But bowling and concerts are good!!
Wait.. what? Parties/shows/weddings end up with people testing positive for COVID? But, I was told by bowling_rebel that Home Depot and BLM are bad, and bowling and shows should get a pass!!! ??? ::)
Absolute smegging idiocy right here. No matter. How about this. After all of this is done, I'll take you out bowling, just so you can see that this black guy, who has had to spend multiple nights following the police incidents and subsequent protests answering the question of "Daddy, does all of this mean we're going back to slavery?" from his mixed race children holds no ill will or hard feelings. Hell, I'll even give you a quarter so you can work out your naive, misplaced, false sense of entitlement and rage in the video arcade.
BL.
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While I don't agree with 90% of bowling rebels's message, I do agree that all of this is being handled very inconsistently. In my area certain bowling centers are open, others are told they can't. They way restaurants and fast food places are handled is also inconsistent. If they really wanted to enforce social distancing, super markets should be open - people gotta eat. Fast food and restaurants OK as long as maximum occupancy is strictly enforced. Masks would absolutely be 100% enforced - still plenty of people not wearing them or wearing them wrong and that includes both customers as well as the people working in the stores. Places like Home Depot should only be open to provide the basic necessities - stuff to fix your house's structure, roofing, plumbing... Not 100% open and have 200 people inside. If you can't have concerts, fans at sporting events... then protests should be handled the same way - only a certain number of people per the area that it's held at. That is if it's really about social distancing and doing what's best for the country as a whole. I have no idea how that would be done especially with more and more problems going on. Obviously something has to win out - the right to protest or social distancing for the better good of the country, but he's right in that none of this is being handled consistently.