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General Category => Miscellaneous => Topic started by: Joec1619 on March 23, 2014, 12:14:23 PM
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I read up about this guy,and his stats are amazing.My question is,is he the real deal or just a product of soft house conditions . If he is that good why is he not making money on the tour.I also read somewhere that his sport average is around 186.If thats true it makes me feel good cuz mine is a paltry 175.So those of you who might know him feel free to weigh in...This is no way a shot at him or his stats so i hope its not taken that way....thanks
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I don't know... How many rounds have you ever led the US Open?
http://www.bowlingdigital.com/bowl/node/9288
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You don't fake your way onto Team USA.
The number of honor scores he has is a product of soft house conditions.
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Hes the real deal.
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is a joke they probably cater the shot to him if he was so good he would be making money all over the world bowling and at least in the national pba tourneys but he doesnt so we all know what that means. just another typical house bowler
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is a joke they probably cater the shot to him if he was so good he would be making money all over the world bowling and at least in the national pba tourneys but he doesnt so we all know what that means. just another typical house bowler
Lol, gotta love the anonymity of the internet.
A simple google search showed he bowls in the US Open yearly, and has bowled in the Masters a few times as well. Though he certainly hasn't won a PBA even (not many people do), he has made the casher's round multiple times.
What have you done?
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is a joke they probably cater the shot to him if he was so good he would be making money all over the world bowling and at least in the national pba tourneys but he doesnt so we all know what that means. just another typical house bowler
Ha, ha, ha! Too funny my friend. I know him and bowl with him in league. Trust me when I say this...."He's the real deal". Yes, his honor scores come because he bowls on a lot of soft THS shots, but the difference is this...whereas I might be able to shoot 256 on a shot like that, this dude shoots 299, 300, back to back, like it is a walk in the park. No one caters to him. He's just GOOD! He makes plenty of money also, by the way. But please b sure and let us know when you post an honor score of note. ;) ::)
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is a joke they probably cater the shot to him if he was so good he would be making money all over the world bowling and at least in the national pba tourneys but he doesnt so we all know what that means. just another typical house bowler
I can name plenty of guys that make more money NOT bowling on the national tour. There's actually more money on the amateur level these days if you live in the right area. Honestly to make good money on the "tour" you have to be in the top 10 in the world, that's quite a challenge in my opinion. And idk what Fero does for a living, but maybe he has a really good job where it doesn't make sense to lose money on "tour"
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Fero is legit.
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storm making it rain hit it right on the nose I was told by couple tour guys back in the 80's and early 90's with the job I had and the benefits it didn't make any sense to try the tour full time.
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Fero has been the real deal for about 18 years now. Anyone with half a clue that doesn't live in a town with a population of 2000 that has only bowled in two centers in their life knows this.
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JOEC1619 and LUV2BOWL12xs THIS POST IS HILARIOUS TO ME BUT YOUR OPINION IS YOUR OPINION. WHEN EITHER ONE OF YOU HAVE DONE AT LEAST A 1/4 WHAT I HAVE ACCOMPLISHED THEN BY ALL MEANS PLEASE LET'S ME KNOW. ANYONE IS STRONG BEHIND A KEYBOARD AND TO SAY I'M JUST A HOUSE BOWLER BECAUSE I DON'T BOWL ON TOUR IS IGNORANCE AT IT'S BEST. I DIDN'T GO ON TOUR BECAUSE IT WOULD'VE BEEN A BAD BUSINESS DECISION SO I DECIDED TO CHASE THE AMATEUR MONEY. IF YOU THINK GOING OVERSEES IS DO GREAT THEN I CAN SELL YOU BEACH FRONT PROPERTY IN NEBRASKA. MY HONOR SCORES IS NOT WHAT DEFINES MY GAME IS MY TOURNEY WINNINGS ON SPORT PATTERNS THAT YOU DON'T HEAR ABOUT WHICH DEFINES MY GAME. I'VE WON MAJOR TOURNEYS AND SWEEPERS AND HAVE FINISHED 2ND IN USA AMATEUR CHAMPIONSHIP. SO NEXT TIME EITHER ONE OF YOU CALL ME OUT TO BE A HOUSE BOWLER POST YOUR RESUME ON HERE AND SHOW US WHAT YOU DONE.
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Fero is a monster. Thread over!
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JOEC1619 and LUV2BOWL12xs THIS POST IS HILARIOUS TO ME BUT YOUR OPINION IS YOUR OPINION. WHEN EITHER ONE OF YOU HAVE DONE AT LEAST A 1/4 WHAT I HAVE ACCOMPLISHED THEN BY ALL MEANS PLEASE LET'S ME KNOW. ANYONE IS STRONG BEHIND A KEYBOARD AND TO SAY I'M JUST A HOUSE BOWLER BECAUSE I DON'T BOWL ON TOUR IS IGNORANCE AT IT'S BEST. I DIDN'T GO ON TOUR BECAUSE IT WOULD'VE BEEN A BAD BUSINESS DECISION SO I DECIDED TO CHASE THE AMATEUR MONEY. IF YOU THINK GOING OVERSEES IS DO GREAT THEN I CAN SELL YOU BEACH FRONT PROPERTY IN NEBRASKA. MY HONOR SCORES IS NOT WHAT DEFINES MY GAME IS MY TOURNEY WINNINGS ON SPORT PATTERNS THAT YOU DON'T HEAR ABOUT WHICH DEFINES MY GAME. I'VE WON MAJOR TOURNEYS AND SWEEPERS AND HAVE FINISHED 2ND IN USA AMATEUR CHAMPIONSHIP. SO NEXT TIME EITHER ONE OF YOU CALL ME OUT TO BE A HOUSE BOWLER POST YOUR RESUME ON HERE AND SHOW US WHAT YOU DONE.
Mr. Williams definitely hit this one on the head. In speaking to some of the guys that I know that have been on the tour, they have all shared a common theme. If you are not part of the top 5 in the world, don't quit your day job. The money that you think is there does not exist on the PBA tour.
I have not had the privilege to Mr. Williams bowl in person, but I have been able to read about him and see some things on you-tube. If I lived in the same area he did, I would definitely love to be a student of his.
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Is that really Fero or a troll? If it's Fero, it's freaking awesome . . heard about that guy for a LONG time. And yeah the amateur money is a lot better. If you bowl too many PBA events there are a lot of amateur events you're prohibited from participating in also.
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Haha I just looked up his averages and achievements, they might as well print that guy a copy of the awards sheet with all his information already on it every year, just fill in date, score, and ball . .
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I love to read these threads because according to the masses there is no such thing as a good bowler. I look at guys with lots of honor scores and high averages and say okay, this is a good bowler. On this site it seems if you haven't won at least 3 PBA titles, you're not a good bowler. Heck you could win one title on the PBA tour, but if you heard the guy didn't split boards every shot (because we know no one ever misses their mark) he's a hack too. If you have 45-300 games, it's because you're a hack and only bowl on house shots. It's almost as if people think because you bowl on a house shot league that you're guaranteed to shoot honor scores just by showing up.
Anyone that bowls should know no matter how soft a condition you're on, it's still not a given that you're going to shoot honor scores (not saying Fero only bowls honor scores on soft conditions as I don't know anything about him) which is why so many people don't ever shoot a 300 or 800.
I sometimes don't know why I even bother with this game anymore.
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yeah he really did something. he hasnt proved anything to me hes a typical house bowler STILL!!!!! why post my resume i could care less i got multiple honor scores and wins in tourneys and all that blah blah and every other person up here needs to get off his dick. hes no different than any other bowler except he gets shots catered to him and cant bowl on sports conditions. ill bowl that dude or anyone else up here for money ANYTIME
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AND WHAT DOES BEING STRON BEHIND A KEYBOARD GOT TO DO WITH ANYTHING THATS THE DUMBEST COMMENT AND MAKES NO SENSE TYPICAL SHWOOGIE SOMETHING DOESNT GO THERE WAY AND THEY WANT TO GET VIOLENT BUT NO EVERYTHING I SAY ON HERE ID SAY TO YOUR FACE. LIKE IM SUPPOSED TO BE SCARED OF YOU OR SOMETHING GET REAL
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JOEC1619 and LUV2BOWL12xs THIS POST IS HILARIOUS TO ME BUT YOUR OPINION IS YOUR OPINION. WHEN EITHER ONE OF YOU HAVE DONE AT LEAST A 1/4 WHAT I HAVE ACCOMPLISHED THEN BY ALL MEANS PLEASE LET'S ME KNOW. ANYONE IS STRONG BEHIND A KEYBOARD AND TO SAY I'M JUST A HOUSE BOWLER BECAUSE I DON'T BOWL ON TOUR IS IGNORANCE AT IT'S BEST. I DIDN'T GO ON TOUR BECAUSE IT WOULD'VE BEEN A BAD BUSINESS DECISION SO I DECIDED TO CHASE THE AMATEUR MONEY. IF YOU THINK GOING OVERSEES IS DO GREAT THEN I CAN SELL YOU BEACH FRONT PROPERTY IN NEBRASKA. MY HONOR SCORES IS NOT WHAT DEFINES MY GAME IS MY TOURNEY WINNINGS ON SPORT PATTERNS THAT YOU DON'T HEAR ABOUT WHICH DEFINES MY GAME. I'VE WON MAJOR TOURNEYS AND SWEEPERS AND HAVE FINISHED 2ND IN USA AMATEUR CHAMPIONSHIP. SO NEXT TIME EITHER ONE OF YOU CALL ME OUT TO BE A HOUSE BOWLER POST YOUR RESUME ON HERE AND SHOW US WHAT YOU DONE.
Newbie, for your first post, you would have had more credibility if you lowered your voice and used lower case letters where appropriate.
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I'M NOT A NEWBIE SO ONCE AGAIN IGNORANCE IS BLISS. LOL I TALK IN ALL CAPS BECAUSE IT'S JUST WHAT I LIKE TO DO. I'M DIFFERENT AND HAVE ALWAYS BEEN THIS WAY SO JUST BECAUSE IT'S A UNWRITTEN RULE TO TYPE IN CAPS THAT YOU ARE YELLING WELL I HAVE UNWRITTEN IT TO SAY IT'S JUST ME TALKING.
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So he lead the U.S. Open a couple years back at some point and qualified very high. He was a team USA member and you question if he is good. WOW! This guy is very good. He is a big time power guy. Yes he takes advantage of house conditions but who doesn't. O did I mention he LEAD a US OPEN at one point. Not sure the last time a hack has lead at the open but I would venture to say maybe never!
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luv2bowl,
So let me see if I have this correct:
You an anonymous name on an internet bowling sight, who says he has honor scores and tournament wins, but doesn't offer up any way to prove that, think you have the right to complain about Mr. Williams whose score and accomplishments are 100% verifiable? You criticize him for being a "house hack" cause he isn't on the Pro Tour, which is now, unfortunately, not something one can make a living at doing full time for all but a very select few because he chooses to stay an amatuer where he can make more money while still hold down a full time job to support himself and his family (if he has one) and provide them with health insurance?
Please oh great bowler, please inform us your tournament wins? Please tell us where you placed/cashed in the last few US Opens and USBC Masters? Please tell us how many years you were on Team USA? Please tell us the number of honor scores you shot on non-THS conditions? Please tell us your last few highest verifiable league averages?? I, for one, want to know about such a great bowler like you who is putting down Mr. Williams.
And to King60ft....I somehow doubt Fero Williams speaks like that. He used to work the broadcasts from the USBC Open that were webcast out. He is a very well spoken individual. If, indeed, you are Mr. Williams, I would say the following: 1) There is no need to respond these individuals in this way. They are definately not worth it. 2) You should be very proud of your accomplishments and you should let them speak for themselves. 3) Congratulations on all you have accomplished so far and I wish you nothing but success in your continued bowling career.
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The average joe bowler can beat anybody on a houseshot at any given time.. Make the conditions tougher, then see who the better bowler is. I shot 300 at Nationals this year, which is nice to add to the resume, but its not even a small percentage of the things he has done.
As a friend of his, that really is him. He's called King of 60 Feet for a reason, that's no self-proclaimed name either.
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Don't know you KING .. but I like your answer .. good luck to you!
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AND WHAT DOES BEING STRON BEHIND A KEYBOARD GOT TO DO WITH ANYTHING THATS THE DUMBEST COMMENT AND MAKES NO SENSE TYPICAL SHWOOGIE SOMETHING DOESNT GO THERE WAY AND THEY WANT TO GET VIOLENT BUT NO EVERYTHING I SAY ON HERE ID SAY TO YOUR FACE. LIKE IM SUPPOSED TO BE SCARED OF YOU OR SOMETHING GET REAL
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Can you retype this in English please?
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First of all King i was not knocking you at all.i was simply asking the forum a question.i dont know you and i have never seen you bowl in person.sorry if you take offence.When you see stats like yours its fair to assume that you bowl on a walled up shot.So again i apologize if i offended anyone.
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Fero at the Real Bowlers Tour!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVXeMpkcgLE
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Wow you called out the wrong person, I've crossed Fero a few times and been around him at a few tournaments, extremely humble person and phenomenal bowler. I just can't wrap my head around someone question a former TEAM USA MEMBER that has lead at the US OPEN, what more do you need to prove. Keep on doing your thing Fero, you are one of the good people out there and have no need to acknowledge a lame internet tough guy.
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This whole topic is the perfect example of why bowling has the reputation and lack of respect that it has. A person with multiple honor scores (at least by his signature), so obviously a "bowler", comes on and questions the ability of a person that finished as the runner-up at the US Amateur, was on Team USA, has led PBA events, has led at the US Open, won the Bowlers Journal, Hoinke, medals at The Tournament of the Americas and is close to the lead in career 300's and 800's.
Would someone that played golf question if a guy that was runner-up at the US Amateur and played on the Walker Cup team was a good golfer or if somebody that made it into the bracket at the US Open was a good tennis player?
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Let's just face the facts the guy is gifted.
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If they posted on this site they probably would.
Would someone that played golf question if a guy that was runner-up at the US Amateur and played on the Walker Cup team was a good golfer or if somebody that made it into the bracket at the US Open was a good tennis player?
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Joec1619
Look up Adam Barta he is another guy with monsterious credintials. He is another guy that makes a good living bowling amature.
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Anyone have updated career stats on Fero or any of the other top 300/800 guys. Last time I checked on bowl.com they hadn't updated the records in a season or two. A guy in my area had been making his way up both the career 300 and 800 list. He did bowl the tour for a while and has a national title.
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Working an 8-5 and being a "weekend warrior" is the smartest way to go about it. There isn't any money to be made on the PBA tour, and even those guys bowl as much other stuff as they can, they don't make their money on tour.
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I want to bowl on the Fero Williams pattern. I didn't know they modified shots for certain people. Watch out for the pattern they name after ME!
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I have bowled against Fero before in league. He is the real deal. Fero has a great game.
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Working an 8-5 and being a "weekend warrior" is the smartest way to go about it. There isn't any money to be made on the PBA tour, and even those guys bowl as much other stuff as they can, they don't make their money on tour.
Kinda thread jacking now but how much money is there to made in brackets and side pots on the tour and the major tourneys. I really have no clue. Belmonte won 40000? for the masters win that everyone knows but how much can be made in all the brackets and extras in a major like this? How about the smaller tour events? Again I have no idea just curious.
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I was unaware that there was anything extra in the tournaments . . I think it's just the standard prize fund based on placement.
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normally there is not any side action at the tour stops.
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Which is again why there's not much money to be made on the PBA. The "weekend warriors" LIVE on brackets and sidepots. I can think of exactly two tournaments I've gone to where the tournament payout exceeded the amount I made on brackets.
A couple years ago at Nationals I was in the same team squad as a guy who walked out with 5600 bucks JUST OFF THAT SQUAD shooting 680. Yeah he probably got a couple hundred bucks back for the team placement, but you can't even pay expenses for the tournament off just placement winnings. If you don't get in side action, chances of you just breaking even are very slim.
normally there is not any side action at the tour stops.
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Masters is a USBC event, which is why there are brackets during the tournament, there are no restrictions on who can get in.
The only side action available in the PBA is at the Regional Tour stops, and that is only a high game pot. Other than that, it is all prize fund.
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Do the regular tour guys get in those brackets? If so, do they go all out?
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The regional in junction city Kansas first weekend of May is offering brackets. Games 2-4 and games 5-7 it's not much but it's a start!
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JOEC1619 and LUV2BOWL12xs THIS POST IS HILARIOUS TO ME BUT YOUR OPINION IS YOUR OPINION. WHEN EITHER ONE OF YOU HAVE DONE AT LEAST A 1/4 WHAT I HAVE ACCOMPLISHED THEN BY ALL MEANS PLEASE LET'S ME KNOW. ANYONE IS STRONG BEHIND A KEYBOARD AND TO SAY I'M JUST A HOUSE BOWLER BECAUSE I DON'T BOWL ON TOUR IS IGNORANCE AT IT'S BEST. I DIDN'T GO ON TOUR BECAUSE IT WOULD'VE BEEN A BAD BUSINESS DECISION SO I DECIDED TO CHASE THE AMATEUR MONEY. IF YOU THINK GOING OVERSEES IS DO GREAT THEN I CAN SELL YOU BEACH FRONT PROPERTY IN NEBRASKA. MY HONOR SCORES IS NOT WHAT DEFINES MY GAME IS MY TOURNEY WINNINGS ON SPORT PATTERNS THAT YOU DON'T HEAR ABOUT WHICH DEFINES MY GAME. I'VE WON MAJOR TOURNEYS AND SWEEPERS AND HAVE FINISHED 2ND IN USA AMATEUR CHAMPIONSHIP. SO NEXT TIME EITHER ONE OF YOU CALL ME OUT TO BE A HOUSE BOWLER POST YOUR RESUME ON HERE AND SHOW US WHAT YOU DONE.
Respect your game and stats, but the all caps shouting deducts 3 internets.
Plus, stooping to defend yourself from trolls takes another 2.
Sorry.
It's the rules.
I mean, you're still like 150 internets above a house hack like me, but you could do better. That's all I'm sayin.
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LMFAO I DIDN'T THREATEN ANYONE NOR DID I GET MAD FROM WHAT WAS SAID ABOUT ME. IF YOU WANT TO CALL ME OUT I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT JUST LAY THE PATTERN YOU WANT AND SAY WHEN AND HOW MUCH A GAME. I'VE NEVER BACKED DOWN TO A CHALLENGE FROM ANYONE. ALSO I'M EDUCATED AND I DON'T EVER FIGHT WITH ANYONE BUT YOU HAVE YOUR OPINION AND YOU CAN ACCEPT THE TERMS OF MY CHALLENGE. NOW THE WAITING
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Ill put my $10k on Fero any day of the week, twice on weekends.
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Fero you probably knocked this guy out of a tournament somewhere or took his bracket money, now he is butt hurt.
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AND WHAT DOES BEING STRON BEHIND A KEYBOARD GOT TO DO WITH ANYTHING THATS THE DUMBEST COMMENT AND MAKES NO SENSE TYPICAL SHWOOGIE SOMETHING DOESNT GO THERE WAY AND THEY WANT TO GET VIOLENT BUT NO EVERYTHING I SAY ON HERE ID SAY TO YOUR FACE. LIKE IM SUPPOSED TO BE SCARED OF YOU OR SOMETHING GET REAL
So Fero's the dumb one, but YOU drop the "shwoogie" blast... Seriously?!?! The foolish post was bad enough, but to then get a tad racial too? Yeah, you've pretty much taken home the keyboard tough guy title belt..
Fero bowled in the tournament I worked for once, a few years back.. and nearly ran it over! Extremely talented and from what I saw, as respectful as they come.
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Not only is Fero GREAT on the lanes he is better as a friend. Class act. But do you question jeff carter for his achievements and high average?
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The tour doesn't define how good you are.
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The tour doesn't define how good you are.
You can't be considered one of the best until you beat the best. This whole "good enough to be on tour but makes more money as an amateur" is crap until you actually join the tour, win and and quit.
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The only reason Barnes and Mika went on tour was because they were forced out of the Megabucks. Until that time, they both made a comfortable living without bowling the best on the tour.
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The tour doesn't define how good you are.
You can't be considered one of the best until you beat the best. This whole "good enough to be on tour but makes more money as an amateur" is crap until you actually join the tour, win and and quit.
the tour is a joke so why join it?
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You can be a great bowler without the PBA, but you will never be considered an all-time great until you prove yourself at the highest level. Barnes and Mika would have been considered great bowlers by earning a living bowling amateur events, but they would have never been considered all-time greats without what they have done in the PBA.
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The PBA will always be considered the pinnacle. It's too bad that now it makes more financial sense to stay an amateur and Rambo Am events with big money, no set schedule, and a bunch of hacks.
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I guess I'm out of the bowling loop as I have never seen these so called big money events with all the hacks. Every decent tournament I've ever seen the quality of the field is at least on caliber with a PBA regional, if not better.
The advantage of the PBA Tour is they are bowling for more than just their own money. Amateur events almost never pay out more than is taken in, have to pay lineage, and if there is sponsor money hopefully it will cover the tournament organizer's take out.
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There are just a lot more potential red leaders because of the no regulations rule. Everything USBC approved is allowed in Am tournaments.
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standard jealous thread.....if he is so bad then why dont you reveal your true identity and challenge him to a match. As the saying goes "put up or shut up". I love when guys sit in their basements and post these types of threads! love it!
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standard jealous thread.....if he is so bad then why dont you reveal your true identity and challenge him to a match. As the saying goes "put up or shut up". I love when guys sit in their basements and post these types of threads! love it!
That's kinda what I'm thinking. It's obvious to most of the people that Fero's a great bowler. Those that know him say he's a great guy. So what would be the motivation to attack his accomplishments?
Fero, keep bowling great and represent yourself with dignity and class. If you're ever out west look me up. I am easy to find and don't hide behind a computer. I'd love to meet you and buy you lunch while you stomp me on the lanes. ;)
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Do the regular tour guys get in those brackets? If so, do they go all out?
When I bowled (2013) Master's, I recall seeing the names of Chris Barnes, Mike Fagan, and Osku just to name a few. They were in a lot of finals.
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I have to love the people on here who say "well if he was any good he would be making money on the tour" LMAO - the pba tour ended years ago. Now it's 8 sweepers a year. You know how many guys make money on "your tour" about 5 at the most. You clearly have no clue. Aside from that you don't know anything about the guy you make comments about. You only wish you had a small percentage of his abilities and accomplishments. I happen to know him very well. You clearly are ignorant of bowlers in the country. You probably have no idea who Adam Barta, George Geohagen, Vernon Peterson, John Janawicz or Rob Gotchell are either and I can tell you two things about all of these guys....1 they haven't won any money on the tour either and 2 I would bet any amount of money and have any of them give you 100 pins on your pattern of choice even a house shot in a three game match. You would leave with your tail between your legs. You should know what you are talking about before you take shots at people.
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I have to love the people on here who say "well if he was any good he would be making money on the tour" LMAO - the pba tour ended years ago. Now it's 8 sweepers a year. You know how many guys make money on "your tour" about 5 at the most. You clearly have no clue. Aside from that you don't know anything about the guy you make comments about. You only wish you had a small percentage of his abilities and accomplishments. I happen to know him very well. You clearly are ignorant of bowlers in the country. You probably have no idea who Adam Barta, George Geohagen, Vernon Peterson, John Janawicz or Rob Gotchell are either and I can tell you two things about all of these guys....1 they haven't won any money on the tour either and 2 I would bet any amount of money and have any of them give you 100 pins on your pattern of choice even a house shot in a three game match. You would leave with your tail between your legs. You should know what you are talking about before you take shots at people.
John is in a class by himself. He's been winning all over the world for years (from everywhere from the extreme gutter to 7th arrow). I've witnessed the man throw some of the most clutch shots under the most extreme circumstances on difficult shots. Not even close.
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I guess I'm out of the bowling loop as I have never seen these so called big money events with all the hacks. Every decent tournament I've ever seen the quality of the field is at least on caliber with a PBA regional, if not better.
The advantage of the PBA Tour is they are bowling for more than just their own money. Amateur events almost never pay out more than is taken in, have to pay lineage, and if there is sponsor money hopefully it will cover the tournament organizer's take out.
huh? really? I've not seen a PBA event worth the money the put in unless you are talking about the Masters or US Open... and they are getting shorted every year. It hasn't paid to be full time tour member in many years. While bowling the best is the objective, it actually pays to not be on tour. Yea we see the big names make decent money on tour, but your avg tour player makes at best 25K maybe per year.... you can do better than that flipping burgers.
If the PBA was the ticket, then why do you see so many guys bowling their guts out all over the world OUTSIDE of the PBA? Tournaments all over the world and hell, our Bi-Annual Orbdrillers Scratch Tournament pays more than ANY scratch tournament including Regionals on that weekend and have been graced by names like Patrick Allen, Jason Sterner, Lee Vanderoof(sorry for the spelling), FERO WILLIAMS, Danny Wiseman, Tommy Jones, Walter Ray Williams Jr., and many other PBA and Regional players.
To put it in prospective, you pay $3-500 to get paid maybe 10K if you're lucky on tour and $275-400 maybe to win $7500 at Big Regionals.... Our tournament pays 5K for $150 entry.... and its on an almost US Open like pattern so no advantages to anyone. Many other non-PBA tournaments are the same. Why spend 15k/year total to maybe win 25k/year on tour when you can take the same 15k and turn it into 50k or more bowling amatuer events. TAT, the Rhodman, Orbdrillers can all have close to if not much bigger payouts than most PBA events in a weekend for a quarter to half the cost of a PBA over the course of a week. So tell me, what the advantage of being on tour again?
AND for the record, to all the bashers, Fero Williams is probably one of the best bowlers I've ever watched and bowled against. The man strikes,.... A LOT..... ON ANYTHING!.... WITH ANY BALL...... PLAYING ANY LINE maybe ugly throwing the ball but he strikes a lot, LOL! To come on an internet website and bash someone you dont know and probably have never seen takes a special low. There are many guys who can go on tour and make a decent living but why do that when you can have way more opportunities to win just by the amount of tournaments you can bowl and make a great living doing it. At the end of the day, prestige can only go so far.
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James,
First off, if you run a good tournament people will show up. Thank you for that.
But the last thing I need is an economics lesson on bowling. Here's the real economics lesson. At the last WSOB there were 235 players that put up $750 each. They bowled 5 tournaments over 10 days (including the TV show tapings) and the payout was over $500k. Nowhere else can you bowl for that kind of added money. That is the advantage of the PBA.
The PBA just announced a Summer Swing in May. $750 entry. Based on the payout of last year's Summer Swing the player will be bowling for at least double their entry fees.
I'm not saying it is a great time for the PBA or the payout are what they should be for what it is. But it is the only place to bowl for this much added money. Amateur tournaments have a tournament organizer wanting his cut, the house wanting lineage, 12.5% takeout on brackets. Amateur bowling is like gambling. There are a few that can make some money, but eventually the juice catches up.
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So if the PBA is the only way to be the all time best, what will be your measure in 5 years when there is no PBA??
And as far as Fero being good, hes not bad, he is no Kenny Ice but hes pretty solid.
And yes Kingof60ft is Fero he types EVERYTHING in all caps.
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Guys will be bowling something, it may just have a different name.
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James,
First off, if you run a good tournament people will show up. Thank you for that.
But the last thing I need is an economics lesson on bowling. Here's the real economics lesson. At the last WSOB there were 235 players that put up $750 each. They bowled 5 tournaments over 10 days (including the TV show tapings) and the payout was over $500k. Nowhere else can you bowl for that kind of added money. That is the advantage of the PBA.
The PBA just announced a Summer Swing in May. $750 entry. Based on the payout of last year's Summer Swing the player will be bowling for at least double their entry fees.
I'm not saying it is a great time for the PBA or the payout are what they should be for what it is. But it is the only place to bowl for this much added money. Amateur tournaments have a tournament organizer wanting his cut, the house wanting lineage, 12.5% takeout on brackets. Amateur bowling is like gambling. There are a few that can make some money, but eventually the juice catches up.
I understand where you are going and agree that it is a lot of added money, however, what is the payout for 1st during these tournaments? Not to mention some of these great amateurs have jobs and can't take off whenever to bowl for week long tournaments. If you arent going to get your money's worth out of your PBA card then why have it? But I do see where you are going.
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Let's all remember that health benefits, 401k's and all the other "perks" of steady employment may keep someone that would wreck on tour at home. Not wanting to leave their family, babies, etc etc.
Going out on tour is a personal decision, IMO.
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There have been way more "can't miss" guys try and fail than guys that stayed home gainfully employed.
There is a pretty steep learning curve for being competitive on the PBA Tour.
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Simply put, its a whole lot easier on the "amatuer circuit" to bowl, knowing you have steady employment in the back of your mind loosens up that swing a little bit. When your primary source of income is the tour and you need to strike to pay your lodging bill for the week or support a family back home......well, you get the picture.