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BrianCRX90

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First asymmetric ball made?
« on: April 15, 2010, 01:48:17 PM »
Just curious...I was thinking about asymmetric cores on the way home from league...(don't ask why because I think of bowling 23/7)....

What is the first asymmetric core ball made? I couldn't think of what it could be. The first one I owned was a Ebonite Matrix Trimax II which obviously proceeded the Matrix I. I'm sure I'm way too far ahead because these balls came out in like 1999ish so if there is earlier balls I have no clue what it could be. Anyone know?
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JessN16

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Re: First asymmetric ball made?
« Reply #16 on: April 16, 2010, 12:22:13 AM »
What I remember about the Axe was that you could order it either left-handed or right-handed.

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Brickguy221

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Re: First asymmetric ball made?
« Reply #17 on: April 16, 2010, 12:25:13 AM »
I don''t remember an Axe, but remember a ball called something like Robby''s Axle. Not sure that was the exact name or not.
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Kinalyx

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Re: First asymmetric ball made?
« Reply #18 on: April 16, 2010, 12:51:30 AM »
Slightly off topic, anyone have any clue how an axe would react compared to a storm natural on todays conditions?

I happen to have a NIB Axe sitting in my closet.

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Re: First asymmetric ball made?
« Reply #19 on: April 16, 2010, 02:04:46 AM »
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Slightly off topic, anyone have any clue how an axe would react compared to a storm natural on todays conditions?

I happen to have a NIB Axe sitting in my closet.

Shawn
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Brunswick 3.5(pin over ring, mb 60º) light polish over OOB
Ebonite Mission(pin under bridge, MB 70º, low weight hole) polish over OOB
Storm Fast(pin under bridge, low weight hole)
Storm Natural(pin over ring)

Coming soon
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Based on my memory from when i had one i would say it would be much stronger. I had to polish mine to a mirror finish back then and still only threw it when there was oil
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JessN16

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Re: First asymmetric ball made?
« Reply #20 on: April 16, 2010, 02:08:01 AM »
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I don''t remember an Axe, but remember a ball called something like Robby''s Axle. Not sure that was the exact name or not.
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Different ball, but yes I remember those as well.

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JessN16

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Re: First asymmetric ball made?
« Reply #21 on: April 16, 2010, 02:09:43 AM »
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Slightly off topic, anyone have any clue how an axe would react compared to a storm natural on todays conditions?

I happen to have a NIB Axe sitting in my closet.

Shawn
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Brunswick 3.5(pin over ring, mb 60º) light polish over OOB
Ebonite Mission(pin under bridge, MB 70º, low weight hole) polish over OOB
Storm Fast(pin under bridge, low weight hole)
Storm Natural(pin over ring)

Coming soon
high scores??


I never owned an Axe, but most people I know who did said it was stronger than a Blue Hammer, and a Blue Hammer is a pretty strong urethane ball.

Here's another one for you guys: the original Track Enforcer series, or the Track Shark. The Enforcers had 6-piece cores, fairly radical for their time.

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SKIDSNAP

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Re: First asymmetric ball made?
« Reply #22 on: April 16, 2010, 05:25:01 AM »
On todays conditions I think the Axe would be an arrow weaker than the Natural.  The coverstock chemistry was much weaker than what we have today.

I loved the Phantom.  I preferred the black to the other 2.
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qstick777

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Re: First asymmetric ball made?
« Reply #23 on: April 16, 2010, 07:35:14 AM »
Video on youtube:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-mSFeiHarXY


I wasn't bowling back in the 90's so I don't remember these balls.

I guess if the Phantom was released first it claims the title.  I was just going by the quote:  "It is still discussed who had the first asymetrical ball. Most agree by the patent information, John Fabinich did although many companies used other weight-blocks other than the standard pancake from the 1950's-1980's."


While search for Fabinich, I found a pretty cool article from 1991 - http://articles.baltimoresun.com/1991-04-02/news/1991092114_1_dundalk-ball-bowlers

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Re: First asymmetric ball made?
« Reply #24 on: April 16, 2010, 11:15:38 AM »
Back in the early 70's Roto Star, the predecesser of Roto Grip, sold the X-2, a rubber ball with, as I remember it, a three piece weight block.  The ball came with the top, side, and finger/thumb weights marked on the box and was supposed to be drilled lined up on a star emblem on the ball.  When a crate of these balls came in we all tried to be the first to look at the weights so we could select the exact weight distribution we wanted.  They performed better (or at least we thought they did) than the other rubber and plastic balls on the market at the time.  --  JohnP
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Re: First asymmetric ball made?
« Reply #25 on: April 16, 2010, 11:16:31 AM »
If you want to get technical, every ball with a core once drilled is asymmetrical, it's just a matter of degrees of asymmetry. So they've been around forever.

Obviously we are talking about balls that are assymetrical before drilling.
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Re: First asymmetric ball made?
« Reply #26 on: April 16, 2010, 11:53:47 AM »
IT WAS THE PHANTOM...TWO BALLS, BLACK AND BURGANDY, AND BOTH ASYMETRICAL
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Re: First asymmetric ball made?
« Reply #27 on: April 16, 2010, 12:14:25 PM »
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IT WAS THE PHANTOM...TWO BALLS, BLACK AND BURGANDY, AND BOTH ASYMETRICAL


There were 3 balls, Burgandy, Black and Blue
http://www.bowlingballvault.com/companies/3-brunswick/580-phantom

Both cores used are shown.
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Re: First asymmetric ball made?
« Reply #28 on: April 16, 2010, 12:35:43 PM »
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If you want to get technical, every ball with a core once drilled is asymmetrical, it's just a matter of degrees of asymmetry. So they've been around forever.

Obviously we are talking about balls that are asymmetrical before drilling.


I would say this is my favorite answer.

Which leads me to this question. Why do people spend so much time talking about how symmetric vs asymmetric react? Followed by how one rolls better for them then the other.

Can you tell a difference because I never did.



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Re: First asymmetric ball made?
« Reply #29 on: April 16, 2010, 12:38:52 PM »
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If you want to get technical, every ball with a core once drilled is asymmetrical, it''s just a matter of degrees of asymmetry. So they''ve been around forever.

Obviously we are talking about balls that are asymmetrical before drilling.


I would say this is my favorite answer.

Which leads me to this question. Why do people spend so much time talking about how symmetric vs asymmetric react? Followed by how one rolls better for them then the other.

Can you tell a difference because I never did.



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Sure - balls that are Asymmetric before drilling have a much higher degree of Asymmetry after drilling, which leads to some bowlers favoring them over Symmetrical balls. To answer your other question, I can tell a difference simply because I have drilled both and certain pin-pap distances act differently depending on whether its Symmetrical or Asymmetrical

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kidlost2000

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Re: First asymmetric ball made?
« Reply #30 on: April 16, 2010, 12:43:40 PM »
Differently how?
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