Post by: BrianCRX90 on April 15, 2010, 01:48:17 PM
What is the first asymmetric core ball made? I couldn't think of what it could be. The first one I owned was a Ebonite Matrix Trimax II which obviously proceeded the Matrix I. I'm sure I'm way too far ahead because these balls came out in like 1999ish so if there is earlier balls I have no clue what it could be. Anyone know?
Post by: Brickguy221 on April 15, 2010, 09:52:09 PM
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Post by: SKIDSNAP on April 15, 2010, 09:55:45 PM
Post by: LotsaBalls on April 15, 2010, 09:59:03 PM
Post by: BrianCRX90 on April 15, 2010, 10:04:37 PM
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Brunswick Phantom
The urethane ball from like 1992? Seriously?
Post by: MattC7 on April 15, 2010, 10:05:24 PM
Beat me to it. Yep, assymetry all the way back then
Edited on 4/15/2010 10:06 PM
Post by: shelley on April 15, 2010, 10:13:21 PM
SH
Post by: fluff33 on April 15, 2010, 10:22:26 PM
Post by: rymacatthedisco on April 15, 2010, 10:42:08 PM
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Post by: qstick777 on April 15, 2010, 11:05:10 PM
Post by: MattC7 on April 15, 2010, 11:27:11 PM
Ball Line Phantom
Release Date December 14, 1990
Discontinued Yes
BOWLING BALL SPECIFICATIONS
Ball Line Axe
Release Date January 07, 1991
darn close
Post by: jbungard on April 15, 2010, 11:28:20 PM
I believe the Phantom is the first asymmetric that has the distinction of being manufactured and marketed to deliberately take advantage of core asymmetry through advanced drilling techniques.
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Post by: dougb on April 15, 2010, 11:40:04 PM
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John Fabanich was issued a patents for advanced asymmetric cores in 1990 and 1992 (U.S. patents 4913429 and 5125656). This type of core was used in the JPF Axe. Years earlier, Mr. Fabanich marketed the first two-piece polyester ball (the Fab) and later, the first widely popular two-piece urethane ball: The Faball Hammer.
I believe the Phantom is the first asymmetric that has the distinction of being manufactured and marketed to deliberately take advantage of core asymmetry through advanced drilling techniques.
I love bowling history like this. Thanks!
Post by: MattC7 on April 15, 2010, 11:45:43 PM
pat2pdf.org type in the number,and read the patents! They're pretty interesting
Post by: mainzer on April 15, 2010, 11:51:44 PM
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Post by: JessN16 on April 16, 2010, 12:22:13 AM
Jess
Post by: Brickguy221 on April 16, 2010, 12:25:13 AM
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Edited on 4/16/2010 0:25 AM
Post by: Kinalyx on April 16, 2010, 12:51:30 AM
I happen to have a NIB Axe sitting in my closet.
Shawn
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Brunswick 3.5(pin over ring, mb 60º) light polish over OOB
Ebonite Mission(pin under bridge, MB 70º, low weight hole) polish over OOB
Storm Fast(pin under bridge, low weight hole)
Storm Natural(pin over ring)
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Post by: stormed1 on April 16, 2010, 02:04:46 AM
quote:Based on my memory from when i had one i would say it would be much stronger. I had to polish mine to a mirror finish back then and still only threw it when there was oil
Slightly off topic, anyone have any clue how an axe would react compared to a storm natural on todays conditions?
I happen to have a NIB Axe sitting in my closet.
Shawn
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Brunswick 3.5(pin over ring, mb 60º) light polish over OOB
Ebonite Mission(pin under bridge, MB 70º, low weight hole) polish over OOB
Storm Fast(pin under bridge, low weight hole)
Storm Natural(pin over ring)
Coming soon
high scores??
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Post by: JessN16 on April 16, 2010, 02:08:01 AM
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I don''t remember an Axe, but remember a ball called something like Robby''s Axle. Not sure that was the exact name or not.
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Edited on 4/16/2010 0:25 AM
Different ball, but yes I remember those as well.
Jess
Post by: JessN16 on April 16, 2010, 02:09:43 AM
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Slightly off topic, anyone have any clue how an axe would react compared to a storm natural on todays conditions?
I happen to have a NIB Axe sitting in my closet.
Shawn
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In the bag
Brunswick 3.5(pin over ring, mb 60º) light polish over OOB
Ebonite Mission(pin under bridge, MB 70º, low weight hole) polish over OOB
Storm Fast(pin under bridge, low weight hole)
Storm Natural(pin over ring)
Coming soon
high scores??
I never owned an Axe, but most people I know who did said it was stronger than a Blue Hammer, and a Blue Hammer is a pretty strong urethane ball.
Here's another one for you guys: the original Track Enforcer series, or the Track Shark. The Enforcers had 6-piece cores, fairly radical for their time.
Jess
Post by: SKIDSNAP on April 16, 2010, 05:25:01 AM
I loved the Phantom. I preferred the black to the other 2.
Post by: qstick777 on April 16, 2010, 07:35:14 AM
I wasn't bowling back in the 90's so I don't remember these balls.
I guess if the Phantom was released first it claims the title. I was just going by the quote: "It is still discussed who had the first asymetrical ball. Most agree by the patent information, John Fabinich did although many companies used other weight-blocks other than the standard pancake from the 1950's-1980's."
While search for Fabinich, I found a pretty cool article from 1991 - http://articles.baltimoresun.com/1991-04-02/news/1991092114_1_dundalk-ball-bowlers
Post by: JohnP on April 16, 2010, 11:15:38 AM
Post by: MrPerfect on April 16, 2010, 11:16:31 AM
Obviously we are talking about balls that are assymetrical before drilling.
Post by: devildog819 on April 16, 2010, 11:53:47 AM
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Post by: BowlingBallVault on April 16, 2010, 12:14:25 PM
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IT WAS THE PHANTOM...TWO BALLS, BLACK AND BURGANDY, AND BOTH ASYMETRICAL
There were 3 balls, Burgandy, Black and Blue
http://www.bowlingballvault.com/companies/3-brunswick/580-phantom
Both cores used are shown.
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Post by: kidlost2000 on April 16, 2010, 12:35:43 PM
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If you want to get technical, every ball with a core once drilled is asymmetrical, it's just a matter of degrees of asymmetry. So they've been around forever.
Obviously we are talking about balls that are asymmetrical before drilling.
I would say this is my favorite answer.
Which leads me to this question. Why do people spend so much time talking about how symmetric vs asymmetric react? Followed by how one rolls better for them then the other.
Can you tell a difference because I never did.
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Post by: 67tbird on April 16, 2010, 12:38:52 PM
quote:quote:
If you want to get technical, every ball with a core once drilled is asymmetrical, it''s just a matter of degrees of asymmetry. So they''ve been around forever.
Obviously we are talking about balls that are asymmetrical before drilling.
I would say this is my favorite answer.
Which leads me to this question. Why do people spend so much time talking about how symmetric vs asymmetric react? Followed by how one rolls better for them then the other.
Can you tell a difference because I never did.
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Sure - balls that are Asymmetric before drilling have a much higher degree of Asymmetry after drilling, which leads to some bowlers favoring them over Symmetrical balls. To answer your other question, I can tell a difference simply because I have drilled both and certain pin-pap distances act differently depending on whether its Symmetrical or Asymmetrical
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Post by: kidlost2000 on April 16, 2010, 12:43:40 PM
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Post by: Crankenstein300 on April 16, 2010, 12:46:59 PM
quote:quote:
IT WAS THE PHANTOM...TWO BALLS, BLACK AND BURGANDY, AND BOTH ASYMETRICAL
There were 3 balls, Burgandy, Black and Blue
http://www.bowlingballvault.com/companies/3-brunswick/580-phantom
Both cores used are shown.
Each Phantom had a different core, so there are actually three.
Post by: BowlingBallVault on April 16, 2010, 12:53:44 PM
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Each Phantom had a different core, so there are actually three.
Do you have a picture of the 3rd?
I only found two cores out there.
From what I can recall, I think 2 balls shared the same core, the Blue and the Black.
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Post by: Crankenstein300 on April 16, 2010, 12:59:17 PM
Edited on 4/16/2010 1:00 PM
Post by: BowlingBallVault on April 16, 2010, 01:08:15 PM
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I''ll dig up an old magazine with the ad for them. If I recall right, the blue had one similar to the black, but had an outer core wrapped around it. I remember this because when we tried drilling a blue for the first time, you had to watch the bit as it tended to wander when you hit that layer.
Thank you, I'd appreciate the information, to make a correction.
Post by: fluff33 on April 16, 2010, 01:21:56 PM
Post by: BrianCRX90 on April 16, 2010, 04:50:50 PM
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If you want to get technical, every ball with a core once drilled is asymmetrical, it's just a matter of degrees of asymmetry. So they've been around forever.
That...intentionally or not was quite funny!
Post by: DanH78 on April 16, 2010, 05:44:53 PM
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When did the AMF Ultra Angle come out?
According to this, AMF was awarded a trademark for the Ultra Angle in 1986
http://www.trademarkia.com/ultra-angle-73615917.html
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Post by: Crankenstein300 on April 17, 2010, 02:14:01 PM
Anyhoo, each Phantom had a variation of a core called Stealthcore, with 1 being the Blue, 2 being the Black, and 3 being the Burgundy. The blue and black are the same inner shape, but the blue does have an outer core as well. I knew one of them did because of the drilling mention I made earlier. The outer core was of thick density and if your drill bits weren't sharp, it would wander some and the hole would be slightly oblong.
Here's the ad for it (http://"http://www.grrtech.net/brian/phantom.jpg")