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Neptune66

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Friend says I am a bad teammate
« on: May 02, 2019, 02:14:05 PM »
I have a tendency to want to put a ball away after I've had a really good game with it, and my friend (and teammate) says that's selfish if I do it in league.

I can see his point if the team is still in contention for the playoffs and if the game was a 230 or better or with a really strong finish. To put the scores in perspective, I'm only averaging 172 in this league, but 180+ in my other two leagues, and even with those averages, used to get my fair share of 220 or better games.  But not so much this year.

And my team was out of contention weeks ago and we're only bowling for points, but still...   I bowled a 215 the first game and then decided to switch to a different ball.  I had my reasons and again...  the 215 was a solid, reasonable game for me ... and clean too.  But it wasn't like I was on fire at any point.  And I really thought the ball I switched to would work better or at least as good.

It was a colossal mistake with a bad result, and my friend remembers that earlier in the month I had bowled a 255 in the 2nd game and then put that ball away for the 3rd, with similar results.  And even that time, I felt that even though I was throwing a phenomenal shot, I was really laboring to get the ball far enough down the lane  to maintain the shot, and decided to switch balls before I started missing my mark if I didn't keep the speed up.  He accused me of wanting to put the first ball away so I could put it (figuratively speaking) in a trophy case.   He was not 100% wrong, but he was not 100% right either.

Unfortunately that perception is there now. I'm not clairvoyant, so am I not allowed to guess which ball I THINK will be best in the next game....even if it's not the one I just bowled great with?

Granted...  if we were in the playoffs or in contention, I would be much more conservative and not want to change ANYTHING. Even what I had for dinner or what street I drove on, etc... and, of course, the ball.  But we are NOT in contention, and 215 was decent ---especially for me in that particular house---- but it was not phenominal and off the charts, so I don't agree with my friend's view.

Am I a jerk?

 

Bowlaholic

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Re: Friend says I am a bad teammate
« Reply #76 on: May 16, 2019, 04:48:24 PM »
For the 2nd time.....THE END!!!

TDC57

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Re: Friend says I am a bad teammate
« Reply #77 on: May 16, 2019, 07:43:35 PM »
Listen Neptune, I knew a guy who averaged between 165-172 in every league he bowled in every year. And every year he would bowl as many 9 pin tournaments he could and he won a bundle. This guy when the lights came on couldn't miss the pocket. You averaging 172 doesn't mean squat. That's where many sandbaggers live. I can remember in 1986 i averaged at the top of division three in the WI state tournament with an average of about 180. I was leading in singles going into the final weekend. I ended up third and was beaten by by two guys, one who averaged 169 and one who averaged 171. Both shot over 720 scratch. There aren't a lot of guys averaging in that range, bowling on a state tournament condition shooting those type of scores. Guys of all averages manipulate their scores. Because you say you aren't doing that, I believe you, but you have no logical excuse for changing balls after shooting 40 over. That you can't explain that away!!
« Last Edit: May 16, 2019, 10:20:17 PM by TDC57 »

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Re: Friend says I am a bad teammate
« Reply #78 on: May 16, 2019, 08:59:28 PM »
I know I said "The End" twice to this thread.  But, I have to comment on the last post by TDC57.
Your still smarting from a tournament you bowled in 33 years ago.  Get a life already.
Now for the 3rd and final time from me.....The End!

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Re: Friend says I am a bad teammate
« Reply #79 on: May 16, 2019, 10:13:29 PM »
I know you said the end twice to this thread Bowlaholic, but then again who the hell are you? Oh, I know, a moron who is so dim he can't understand an example used when making a point. I'm not still smarting, I was just showing how low average bowlers are capable of being baggers. But again, you are so stupid it went right over your flat head!
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Re: Friend says I am a bad teammate
« Reply #80 on: May 16, 2019, 11:40:16 PM »
Okay, the two of you, back in your corners until the start of the match.

Only one bowler on the approach at a time. No grabbing the opponent's shirt or belt as he starts his approach, no dropping a bowling ball on the floor, or crinkling of a water bottle.  The bowlers' towels are their own, hands off if it doesn't belong to you! 

And as you leave the approach, please don't leave any flatulence behind for your worthy opponent  (I've bowled in too many senior leagues).  At the end of the match, please shake hands, it's only a game/sport.    :)
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Re: Friend says I am a bad teammate
« Reply #81 on: May 17, 2019, 06:34:46 AM »
The reason I posted "The End" which by the way I was not the only one who thought this, was because 6 pages of around and around we go, where we stop no one knows? 
Am I a bad teammate....no your not....yes, your are....a sandbagger.....no.....yes....I was not trying to be....does not matter....you changed balls....but it's my right....no not if..... maybe I am bad...... well not really....but i must be.....you are.....but, I know I'm not .....sure appears you are.....not intentional......yeah, right you sandbagger and on an on we go!
And we end with name calling (moron, stupid, flathead) to make a point.  Wow!

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Re: Friend says I am a bad teammate
« Reply #82 on: May 17, 2019, 06:49:04 AM »
Because some of us are trying to point out that if you repeatedly put the ball away after throwing a good game, it may look like it to OTHERS on his team and the league that you’re sandbagging.

The OP says it wasn’t a one off type situation. He has a tendency to do it.

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Re: Friend says I am a bad teammate
« Reply #83 on: May 17, 2019, 11:26:11 AM »
I think your teammate may be fed up since you've been doing this seemingly the whole season. You may have cost your team some wins in the past? Perhaps he's wanted to say something for a while and finally spoke up.

Most likely if you want to actually improve your average it will come from consistency and using (most of the time) only one ball for a house shot. If you're using a slew of different balls and claim to be a rhythm player I don't see how changing the ball fairly consistently when you actually get into a rhythm would be helpful.

Yesterday I bowled 10 games and I used one ball the entire time. I averaged 205 between those 10, now that was just practice since my league hasn't started and I'm just getting back into it, but I say this because if at least for me I changed my ball multiple times my scores would go down. For me I prefer to make an adjustment to speed or location before I start changing my ball.

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Re: Friend says I am a bad teammate
« Reply #84 on: May 17, 2019, 08:57:54 PM »
Bowlaholic,

You know one thing about living in this country, we can choose to do what we want. Many of us choose to try and help Neptune understand what he is doing isn't logical and could be construed as manipulating his average and could upset teammates who are trying to win. The time to try such things is during practice. League is when you put what you practiced into play. Not the other way around. You chose to tell everyone what was going to be and it's funny, for some reason you made it personal with me and when you got it back in spades, you didn't appreciate it, the same way i didn't. Remember that this freedom also allows you not to comment on a thread. Why click on something you're tired of? Until you're a moderator on this site, i think you telling us how it's going to be is unnecessary!

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Re: Friend says I am a bad teammate
« Reply #85 on: May 18, 2019, 09:30:38 AM »
Thinking this whole thread has turned "stupid", if you will, and the OP is baiting each and everyone of us to see how long this thread will go on. Tired of it, but others don't appear to be (tired) and keep jumping in with their comments. I'd love to see said thread put to bed, but others seem to enjoying the OPs attempt @ keeping it alive,  :o >:( ???

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Re: Friend says I am a bad teammate
« Reply #86 on: May 18, 2019, 02:06:17 PM »
Nobody is forcing you to click on the thread and then comment. If you're tired of it move on. Maybe everyone else would too if guys like you would quit telling people to stop commenting. Have you ever thought of that or do you just enjoying passing your judgement as gospel?

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Re: Friend says I am a bad teammate
« Reply #87 on: May 18, 2019, 02:33:00 PM »
Nobody is forcing you to click on the thread and then comment. If you're tired of it move on. Maybe everyone else would too if guys like you would quit telling people to stop commenting. Have you ever thought of that or do you just enjoying passing your judgement as gospel?
I'm so glad you enjoy such BS as it's quite plain to see that you must think you're the honcho master of all here and believe others must bow down to your lowest point and kiss all that is available there, but again, you'd be wrong. Go out and find yourself a big one to bite young man. Guys like me. You haven't any idea about guys like me or other here want or are thinking other than what resides in your addled brain. Moderator, please remove if found to be offensive and do the same with my membership @ the same time. Thanks.
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Re: Friend says I am a bad teammate
« Reply #88 on: May 18, 2019, 05:46:29 PM »
So you call me the "honchomaster" whatever that means. I'm the bad guy for saying let people do what they want. You know freedom. You want things shut down, because you don't like it. I guess you're just like the left in this country shutting down any viewpoint they don't like. I'm fine with people expressing their views. You were colorful though, so I guess I'll give you credit for that! I wish I was a young man but sadly I'm not. I've been on this site since it's inception and have seen many who want to control what people say or think but they usually flame out, as you invariably will!!!
« Last Edit: May 18, 2019, 05:54:03 PM by TDC57 »

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Re: Friend says I am a bad teammate
« Reply #89 on: May 18, 2019, 07:01:28 PM »
TDC57,
You opened the political door with stating  "I guess you're just like the left in this country shutting down any viewpoint they do not like".
Meaning your from the right ........ "an angry old dude with a foul mouth", who name calls (moron, stupid, flathead) or do you deny you used those words to make your point.  Much like the most famous person who currently represents the right in this country.
Bet it makes you feel good and how proud you are of yourself.

« Last Edit: May 18, 2019, 07:24:02 PM by Bowlaholic »

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Re: Friend says I am a bad teammate
« Reply #90 on: May 19, 2019, 12:12:40 AM »
WOWW!!!

What a thread!

And 6 pages of this back and forth! It reminds me of the old days when we had the Miscellaneous Forum and we would get into political debates!!

Good stuff gentlemen! Carry on!

That is all. LOL!
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