Post by: _Stroker_Walter_ on March 17, 2006, 02:46:55 PM
If I get a full roller layout, will the ball still hit the thumbhole? I used to just clip the thumbhole, but now I roll loudly over it every single time. I want lessons, but I need a patient and knowledgeable coach. I'm tired of asking for help and getting an attitude like I am doomed and ain't worthy of their time.
I feel I really messed something up with my release. It never used to be this way. Everything is going downhill. I tried to improve my release but I just made it worse. My form isn't the best thing to look at and I won't dare videotape it and post it. Basically , I'm a total clutz. I'm not graceful, and I'm not a gymnyst. I've just about had it.
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Post by: Speedburner89 on March 17, 2006, 10:57:23 PM
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Post by: _Stroker_Walter_ on March 17, 2006, 11:19:09 PM
So for now, I'll look into that cobra type wrist device.
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Post by: Charles on March 17, 2006, 11:31:22 PM
When you just don't enjoy it anymore, then quit and find something else that you enjoy, but quit for the right reasons. Not because you are struggling to shoot the 200 games. Ask jkiser01 as he has heard me preach this to bowlers evertwhere. I bet if you relax a little and have some fun, some of those scores might go up a little and surprise you.
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Post by: BigWillyStyle on March 18, 2006, 12:40:34 AM
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but will give you a "feel" for a correct release.
I would first like to say, that there is no "correct" release in bowling! I throw a back-up ball (lefty hook with my right hand), and: just won my Sunday night league, won the 3rd quarter in my Tuesday night scratch league, am 3rd highest average on the Tuesday night league, and am leading in individual points won on Tuesday nights! Don't think I'm trying to brag please, as I'm just trying to prove that there is no "right" way to throw the ball...there is just ALWAYS room for improvement. I know A LOT of the guys that have met me from this website have said that I'm a VERY accurate spare-shooter, and it came from YEARS of self-teaching and practice. Don't get down, as you will only struggle more with your consistency; since you'll now put more pressure on just hitting your average. Think about this: If you hit your average EVERY game, then wouldn't your average be higher (which would mean that you then wouldn't hit it every game...)?!? C'mon man, just take it easy on yourself...everyone goes through slumps. You said you've been dealing with this "the past few weeks." THE PAST FEW WEEKS?!? I went on like a 3-month slump over the summer, where I couldn't hit the pins if there were bumpers in the gutters, but I just dropped back to the basics and figured out what I was doing wrong (timing had gone awry)! If ya ever wanna talk about bowling (or something else to get your mind off of bowling), just message me, and I'll always shoot the breeze! Till then, take it easy man,
Big Willy Style
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Post by: _Stroker_Walter_ on March 18, 2006, 01:41:26 AM
My bowling game needs a complete overhaul. I just hate not making my average and hurting my team. Bowled two leagues tonight, a 539 and 520. I'm normally a 190+ average bowler. But most of all, I'm frustrated at the lack of good help to become better at this sport. I'm tired of talking to pro shop guys who are quick to critisize me on everything yet offer no help or answers. Also it is frustrating when one person tells me one thing and then another person tells me another.
I just want to strike, score good, and feel better. I've reached a plateau where my average isn't improving at all (falling currently) since last year. I'm ready for some coaching. I'm tired of the endless ball purchasing and hoping that it matches up well for me.
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Post by: Pin_Daddy on March 18, 2006, 02:59:06 AM
Just relax and throw the ball...don't worry about making the ball hit the target, just let it go and know that it will. As long as it's close you have some room on a THS. As for the single pin leaves...what can I say I've been there too. Don't worry about it, they'll start falling soon.
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Post by: JohnP on March 18, 2006, 09:25:29 AM
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My release has gotten worse and now I track over the thumbhole in every single ball I throw. I get inconsistent reactions just because of it so there is no need to buy any more balls until I correct this problem. I'm very close to a full roller.
If I get a full roller layout, will the ball still hit the thumbhole? I used to just clip the thumbhole, but now I roll loudly over it every single time.
If you are "very close to a full roller", but still a 3/4 roller a full roller layout won't help you. It would flare into the gripping holes even worse. If you're actually a full roller that's very close to a 3/4 roller, a full roller layout will help. That would mean you're clipping the right side of the thumb hole and/or the left side of the middle finger. A full roller layout will reverse the flare, so that as the ball flares it moves away from the holes instead of into them. -- JohnP
Post by: LuckyLefty on March 18, 2006, 09:35:58 AM
REgards,
Luckylefty
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Post by: thedjs on March 18, 2006, 10:55:22 AM
What you have described is almost exactly what happened to me. About 3-4 years ago after finishing with a 199 average, I started to go downhill. It got to a point where I was lucky to shoot 400. I bought new balls, went to the local pro several times, did the video bit and attended several demo days. Nothing. My bowling just got worse. In the 2003/2004 season my average hit an all time low of 161.
In the fall of 2004, just after shooting one of my big 400 series and preparing to tie my bowling balls to the back of the car and drag them home for punishment, a friend of mine came over and said if I would stay after the league had finished, that he could correct my problems in about 15-20 minutes. I thought, yeah sure. After all the times with the local pro and many hours of practice, you can fix my problems in 15 or 20 minutes. This I gotta see.
The first thing he did was to put a towel about 2 feet out from the foul line and told me to throw the ball over the towel. That was not an easy feat for me as I usually put the ball down close to the foul line. But after a few tries, I was able to do it. Then he had me drop the ball down in my stance and make an effort to push it out along with the first step of my four step approach. Since I usually hold the ball about chest high, this felt funny. But after a few shots, it also began to feel natural. Next he had me stand close to the foul line and take only one step. This made me swing the ball and get the feel of what a free swinging arm would feel like. What he had me doing was just going back to basics. Put your hand in the ball, get it in a confortable position, look at your target, make a good approach and then just throw it off your hand. Don't think about anything else except making a good swing and hitting your target. As one of the old time pros used to say, "if youre thinking, your stinking".
Ok. The result. At that low point in my bowling and after some practice with this new advise, my average started to come back up. I went from a low of 153 in December of 2004 to a final average of 174. This year I am up to 187 and am bowling better nearly every week. ( If I would just stop missing some of the corner pins) My timing has come back, I can get the ball out on the lane better and I have a lot more confidence. For the past 5 weeks, my average has been over well over 200.
So, what I am trying to say, is try to get back to the basics. Forget about everything but making a slow approach, looking at your target and "throw the ball off your hand". If it is drilled right, and your hand is in the correct position, that's about all you have to do to make good shots. Oh, by the way, you should also remember this is just a game and try to have fun. Yeah, sure. I only have fun when I bowl good and beat everybody. Another perk for me, is that once I started bowling better, I did not feel the need for as many new balls. ( This really made my wife happy, however, didn't help with my relationship with the proshop )
By the way, I am using a wrist support and it helps an old man like me get a little more revs. on the ball. It also, helps me get the thumb out faster. Its not the one with the extended index finger, although that might help moving your track up above the thumb hole. I may try one of those in the future.
Sorry this is such a long post, but I hope it helps a little.
Post by: doggie on March 18, 2006, 11:05:02 AM
im wondering what your pin layout is . since u are a high
tracker the pin should not be under the fingers it must be at least
equal. if u look on the hammer web site they have some info
the drilling instructions on pin safe zones. i dont know if
that is your prob but u should at least eliminate it
doggie
Post by: toomanytenpins on March 18, 2006, 05:20:54 PM
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Post by: yeahright on July 16, 2006, 05:22:05 PM
But if you don't, can I have all your stuff? j/k
Seriously, just hang in there, get a patient coach, and you'll figure it out... Make sure that when you practice to just concentrate on form, and not on the outcome...
Post by: slowmofo908 on July 16, 2006, 05:24:51 PM
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dirty jerz
Post by: SteveAustin2808 on July 16, 2006, 08:22:52 PM
I feel in this ordeal you are facing buddy. About a month ago I contemplated givin it all up as well. I started thinking about it and I told myself that I would be quitting for the wrong reasons. So I'm hanging in there and gutting it out. Things will turn around for you dude, I promise! God Bless You and have a great week!
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Post by: ThongPrincess on July 17, 2006, 10:51:22 AM
I credit this to 2 things. One is keeping in touch with my coach and reading a book he, and others, recommended. The book is Dean Hinitz's Focused for Bowling. I highly recommend this book, it deals with the mental side of bowling and has a whole chapter dedicated to slumps and breaking out of them. I have read it from cover to cover and reread several sections.
If you are looking for a coach, one place to start is Bowl.com. They have a section where coaches are listed by state.
Finally, as others have said, relax, take a deep breath, and hang in there.
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Post by: janderson on July 17, 2006, 04:27:44 PM
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I get inconsistent reactions just because of it so there is no need to buy any more balls until I correct this problem.
There are some true words of wisdom you won't find in every bowler's vocabulary. That alone tells me that there is plenty of talent and especially potential for you to get out of your slump and move on improving your game.
Any chance of getting help from a coach or someone that has bowled with you for a period of time that can share with you what changes they've seen in your game? There are plenty of us out there who will not give help unless asked for help. That isn't a selfish or stand-offish thing - just think about times obnoxious, overbearing people have tried to tell you what to do when you didn't ask them!
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Post by: ImaRedbird on July 17, 2006, 04:30:52 PM
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Getting Zero is an accomplishent that you should be proud of!!!
Post by: toomanytenpins on July 18, 2006, 05:01:21 PM
If you are rolling over the thumb hole regularly maybe take one of your less used balls and have it drilled full roller. I know one guy who bowls full roller and he never hits the thumb ,also has great reaction almost makes me want to try it. But whatevr you do dont keep beating yourself up about it ,do something productive ,or... quit. But dont quit you will miss it .
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