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mixnmash

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Future of the PBA Tour
« on: October 12, 2003, 10:45:06 PM »
I was thinking...
Seeing as the "names" on the tour are WRW, Duke, PDW, Barnes, etc. Do you think that the PBA would be wise to play patterns such as "E" which plays as a power shot of the ditch in most cases as well as patterns that match-up power players(Smith, Rudi, etc.). I think that while no one can disagree with the level of talent that the WRW, Duke, PDW, and Barnes have, they will be around as long as they want because of their ability to score on anything....I think as a telecast people would find the "crankers" as more exciting and entertaining which may bring ratings and thus more money to the tour.
 Obviously, competing head-to-head against the NFL is difficult and PBA telecasts are not going to take over as the new king of Sundays. With the newer blood such as Smith winning yesterday Wouldn't it be beneficial to market a player with his game and such than like they have done with PDW?
 I for one believe WRW is the man and his ability to play anything is amazing.  I am an avid bowler and much of the reason I can watch bowling 24-7 if I could is b/c of the respect I have for their games. If a casual fan tunes in and sees the sheer power of the game, perhaps our sport could reach a level of it's former hay-day or higher.
 I know that the tour is about the best bowlers on the most demanding conditions, however should it be? I mean the new owners are there for a profit right? I really could care less as to who in particular wins although I do have a few favorites. I just enjoy the sport and enjoy seeing the sport I love get the coverage.
 I guess my question is this: Should the PBA knowingly increase the odds for a particular style of bowling to generate revenue or stick with the current philosophy of best players/hardest conditions winner takes all?

 

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Re: Future of the PBA Tour
« Reply #1 on: October 13, 2003, 03:18:26 PM »
i would predict IF robert smith suddenly became dominant in bowling much like tiger woods or michael jordan was. Bowling would go up 10fold as would the marketability and popularity of the PBA Tour and league bowling as well. Walter Ray Williams is a great bowler but he just isn't marketable, it isn't fun to watch him for any laymen. Robert smith tho, he is very fun to watch, every shot is more amazing than the next.

Just my opinion, althought i think it is accurate. any disagreements?
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Re: Future of the PBA Tour
« Reply #2 on: October 14, 2003, 10:45:42 AM »
I agree that viewers want to see "the stars" do things they cannot do, or cannot imagine doing.  Watching Walter Ray throw the ball up second arrow, with a little hook at the end for a strike, is not very exciting.  Watching Robert Smith bank the ball off the gutter about 23 mph at 50 feet, now that's fun!

There's no doubt in my mind that Chris Peters and Steve Miller were delighted that Machuga and Smith were in the final.  Young, attractive, athletic guys make better entertainment than, ummmm... not-so-young (Angelo), not-so-attractive (Waliczek), not-so-athletic (Hurd) guys.

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mixnmash

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Re: Future of the PBA Tour
« Reply #3 on: October 14, 2003, 11:13:18 AM »
Seems as though you guys have pretty much the same thoughts as I do... It seems with all sports that you have have of course the avid fan and/or participate that will watch the telecasts because they enjoy it. However if you look at Tiger in golf, Agassi in tennis (when he first came out), and Dale Earnhardt in Nascar the sport they competed picked up the casual weekend couch potato....lol. Each of them for different reasons. Tiger for his outstanding ability to dominate, Agassi for his flamboyant style (long hair colorful clothing), Earnhardt for his ability to be loved and hated,some people would tune in to see him win, some would tune in to see him get spun out. With bowling the first thing people try to do half the time is hook the ball. There seems to be a fascination with it. So I believe that the PBA telecasts would do better by knowingly increase the odds of that style (big wheel) of bowling.
 I am not saying that this would tell us who the best bowlers in the world are, but as I said before I have favorites but it really doesn't matter to me who wins on a weekly basis.

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Re: Future of the PBA Tour
« Reply #4 on: October 14, 2003, 12:30:06 PM »
http://www.stormbowling.com/enews/showenews.asp?enewsid=1080&intl=True

With all this talk about the future and Smith that will come up inevitably every time he makes a TV finals, the guys at storm are bound to take notice.  The above listed article is a pretty good opinion written and published in a few national sources.  I think it may be a very good discussion of what has been kicked around on this forum for the last few days.  That and it happens to coincide almost identically to what has been posted here by more than a few people.

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Re: Future of the PBA Tour
« Reply #5 on: October 14, 2003, 01:21:53 PM »
What bowling needs is a little emotion in front of the cameras.  Maybe we should encourage those on the show to talk smack to one another during the match.  If it gets a little heated, then all the better!  Feuds bring in people - everyone likes to see a fight.  Look at how they hype a NASCAR race for the next week when a couple of guys get into a shoving match - I don't have any numbers to see if more people actually tune in, but it creates a lot of talk at work.  If WRW and PDW were to get into a little tiff on the telecast, don't you think everyone would be talking about it at the lanes that week?  And how many people might tune in to see if they go at it again?


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Re: Future of the PBA Tour
« Reply #6 on: October 14, 2003, 03:43:14 PM »
I'm in the minority.  I know how tough it is on the most demanding conditions and would rather see a real pro bowl on that.  

That's just me.  Maybe that's why I mostly bowl sport leagues and stay away from walls.  

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mixnmash

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Re: Future of the PBA Tour
« Reply #7 on: October 14, 2003, 04:50:01 PM »
Wow that link by CCB is pretty much what I was trying to say but written by an actual writer instead of my Hillbonics...=  
 I understand your point Scotts33 and can't say that I disagree with it, however what you and I bowl on has no relation to the PBA's success which is what the post is about. I would watch every week even if WRW was tossing end over end down 10, but to build bowling back into a marketable sport with mega-bucks to be won, and break the image of bowlers being of the Homer Simpson cloth.....It would most certainly make sense to put out the type of shots that the crankers can play. For the record I'm not a cranker. I also have no desire to be one. Few can disagree that boards crossed=ratings.

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Re: Future of the PBA Tour
« Reply #8 on: October 14, 2003, 11:55:46 PM »
First of all, it's funny that you guys actually think that they're not already setting up shots for people.  This has been going on for years now...

Second, do any of you watch football?  Ok, how about basketball?  Or even hockey or baseball?  Now maybe you and your friends are different, but my friends and I (avid sports fans we are) have seen that pattern of the media "wanting" a certain team to do well, and even beyond that, a certain player do well.  They get the calls, period.  To me and my friends, this has made most pro sports a joke anymore.  Anybody watch the Chris Byrd boxing match recently?  

At first, it may seem like a good idea to cater to a certain type of bowler (power types), but I'm telling you that's a wicked way of thinking.  In case all of you forgot, the ratings are way up for PBA bowling right now, and that was with Walter Ray having the best year of his career.  I don't doubt that having Robert Smith on top would certainly take the PBA to a new level as Andre Agassi did for tennis, but can't we just let it happen?  Norm Duke rose to the top and is still one of the best out there, and he has one of the best personalities on the tour.  I think it would benefit the sport more if these top players did more in the community as Tiger Woods does.  More clinics and such.  The more people get to know these pros, the more they're going to watch
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Re: Future of the PBA Tour
« Reply #9 on: October 15, 2003, 12:59:43 AM »
I don't know  one way or the other if the PBA sets up the shot for anyone in particular now....I doubt it or you would see more appearances by the same people. Granted WRW, Duke, Barnes all make the shows regularly but they each have a lot of variety in their games and play the whole lane just as well from anywhere if needed.
 Each pattern of course swings the odds into a different type of styles wheelhouse, but it is divided up pretty evenly. If they wanted to market Max Bob they would potentially either lay-out pattern E evry week or reshape all the patterns to fit the power game.
 As far as sports go in general America's Team the Cowboys struggled at 5-11 the last 3 years....with all the fans why weren't they better? Answer: Salary Cap.
 Baseball winning pretty much depends on 2 things: Farm team development and money. An example of each would be the Oakland A's and of course the "evil empire" NY Yankees.
 Boxing isn't about what the fans want....It's about what the promoters want, no less...no more.
 That's what's so great about college sports albeit far from being pure, the emotion and fight in not only the players but the fans make the games more enjoyable. Even a Blue fan can see that....
 All in all, I don't doubt that Norm Duke is one hell of a guy, but is his appearance and style going to make the channel surfers stop and say "Hey that guy is awesome, I want to try that". Yes, maybe a few did when he shot 300 on TV, but how many folks said that this week-end while watching Smith???

 I'm not saying it would be fair, or that is what I would want, all I am saying is I think it would be wise to market the big-wheelers as they will make good ratings great ratings and perhaps change the image of bowling from leisure time fun to sport.

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Re: Future of the PBA Tour
« Reply #10 on: October 15, 2003, 01:44:23 AM »
They must be doing something right since no lefties made the show. I hate watching lefties bowl. Boooooooorrrrriiiiiing....
You don't need Max-Bob to make it a good show. I like watching him as much as anyone, but come on - the savior of bowling?? Give me a break.
Last year?

Duke's 300
Duke vs. Traber
Voss vs. Wiseman
WRW vs everyone
PDW's rare appearances

And too many more to mention. There's was lots of good bowling, drama, and excitement last year. Max-Bob adds fun and excitement, but that's all. He ain't no 'Savior of the PBA'.

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Re: Future of the PBA Tour
« Reply #11 on: October 15, 2003, 01:55:14 AM »
Mix, you misunderstood what I was referring to about the other pro sports.  I simply meant that most other professional sports have people at the top pulling some strings.  The marketability of the current "story" that they are writing is the single most important factor in the eyes of those who control things.  Pro sports has become as scripted as a 2-hour special of pro wrestling.  Well, almost
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Re: Future of the PBA Tour
« Reply #12 on: October 15, 2003, 02:06:28 AM »
OH yeah, one other thing...

In case you don't know, there are actually several variations to the 5 patterns that the PBA puts out.  Not to mention the fact that different lane textures and lane porosity can totally change how a pattern A might breakdown from center to center.  I suppose you're correct, I can't say for sure that they still in fact control the outcomes of tournaments, but most of us know pretty well that it went on for a long time in the PBA.  And actually, the control came not from setting the shots up for people, but rather shutting out their opponents.  Next year's format gives the PBA people even more control in this aspect.  Will they take advantage of that control???  Who knows!
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Re: Future of the PBA Tour
« Reply #13 on: October 15, 2003, 09:50:00 AM »
*Argh*..... I think that a few of you guys are misunderstanding what my thoughts were. Also, any references made about Smith were not to mean just Robert Smith but his type of game. Could be Rudi, Dave D'Entremont, etc.
So here I go again, I am not a cranker, I do not wish to be one. I could care less who wins on a week to week basis. I enjoy watching everyone on tour who makes the telecast. I would watch each week of someone were to throw a back-up ball and score. I presume that most here would too. The new owners are there to make a profit. To make a profit you need an exciting product and some name recognition, along with a professional telecast. The PBA does not need saving or a savior.
 
 What I am saying is this.... To make money, gain interest from the either non-bowlers or casual bowlers, you have to create excitement and drama. If you look at even this board and the many mentions of Robert Smith you can see that people are fascinated with his game. Did he win this week....yes. If Norm Duke (one of my favorites) had won this week....would he have gotten this much attention? No not even close. Now if I had to decide between having either of their games, I would take Duke's and bowl in any tourny I could. However, Mr. channel flipper is much rather going to stop and watch Smith or another cranker than say a big, burly man like WRW roll the ball end-over-end down 10.
 
 Not saying it should be that way, just saying it is that way. If say for example Smith went on to be on the telecast 8-10x's this year do you think ratings would be higher or lower than WRW. I like everyone else knows that WRW is the man and respect his game. We avid bowlers would watch regardless. Think about the not-so avid bowler and what they would rather see. What those people want to see = ratings. Ratings = sponsers. Sponsers = money. Money = profit. Profit = bigger payouts. Bigger payouts = more competition, excitement, longevity of the tour.
 
 While it's gotta be frustrating to sometimes play for 2nd on the PGA tour to Tiger, it's been said that 2nd pays better than 1st used to before him. Again, I am not saying this is the only way to go, nor am I saying it is right to emphasize the power game only, just posting a thought I have about the PBA and it's success, and was wondering if others agreed. Obviously, some do, some don't. More of a discussion topic than anything.....

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Re: Future of the PBA Tour
« Reply #14 on: October 15, 2003, 10:15:20 AM »
Sorry Mix, but now you're just totally weasling out.  YOU asked the question...

"Should the PBA knowingly increase the odds for a particular style of bowling to generate revenue or stick with the current philosophy of best players/hardest conditions winner takes all?"

Don't pretend you didn't ask the question.  In your initial post you even went as far as to say that the owner's profit was the important thing here.  Now you're absolutely right that Walter Ray or Brian Voss winning this weekend wouldn't have created the stir that Robert Smith did, but your initial post did in fact imply a lot of things, and asked very specific questions.  So I answered appropriately.

When bowling becomes all about bottom line, then I am no longer interested.  Bottom line is why nobody bowls tournaments anymore, because everybody wants to spend $50 and win a thousand...even if they miss the cut.  Now the PBA is a whole different story.  Those guys bowling should be able to make a living out there, whereas I'm not so concerned about the millionaires running the PBA and their bottom line.  Don't give them any bright ideas, please.
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