Author Topic: gold level certification? (Read 4971 times)

OHBowler · « **on:** August 01, 2007, 10:28:10 PM »

Anyone have the book and or know what all the objectives are that lead up to taking the final exam? Just curious to see what is all is. Thanks

ThongPrincess · « **Reply #16 on:** August 03, 2007, 09:58:17 PM »

There are some of us who are taking lessons in addition to becoming certified coaches. My coach is the one who encouraged me to get certified in the first place. Maybe it is his way of telling me I will never amount to much as a bowler, but for whatever reason I am glad to be back working with the youth. I also enjoy hearing the accomplishments of my athletes.

I am sorry that some think unless you are a 200/220+ bowler you are not qualified to teach others. I was originally coached by a 220+ bowler, who basically did nothing to improve my game. He knew his game, but could not teach it.

USBC designed their program with a mandatory 1 year waiting period between Silver and Bronze so the coach could get some real life experience. If a Bronze coach should not be coaching, how do we get the experience?
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JessN16 · « **Reply #17 on:** August 03, 2007, 10:34:39 PM »

Couple of things...

* For those of you that follow college football, Dennis Franchione, currently the head coach at Texas A&M, was formerly head coach at The University of Alabama. Not that Texas A&M is chopped liver, but Alabama is generally regarded as one of the five best jobs in college football, if not the top job. Franchione never played football beyond high school -- he was a baseball player in college. For that matter, I think I'm correct in saying Texas Tech head coach Mike Leach never played the sport at all (edit: He did play, and was a scrub on his own high school team). In general, I can't name you very many wildly successful coaches in any sport who were also great players, so we shouldn't expect bowling to be any different. For that matter -- and I wish I could remember the book's author or title -- there's a book that came out about five years ago that studied this phenomenon.

* The other issue is getting enough decent -- not excellent, but decent -- coaches to stock youth programs around the country. Depending on where you live, it's da*ned difficult to find enough adults with the time and desire to coach young bowlers. A coach that has even just above-average skills, but has the tools necessary to know how to impart that knowledge to young people, is worth a lot.

Don't try to tie playing ability to coaching ability. Plenty of evidence out there shows the two have little, if anything to do with each other.

Jess

Edited on 8/3/2007 10:36 PM

ThongPrincess · « **Reply #18 on:** August 03, 2007, 10:49:24 PM »

I don't take it personal, your comments are directed at, as you said, most Bronze level coaches. I just happen to be one of them and therefore am replying.

Level 1 is the basics, beginner bowler. Bronze is geared to the intermediate level bowler, they upped the program several years ago and some of the previous Silver is now in the Bronze. Silver is for coaching advanced bowler. Gold is geared to coaching the elite bowler.

When asked if I coach, I specify beginner to intermediate level. The 180/190 and above bowler seeking lessons, I refer to a higher level coach.

You are entitled to your opinion, but I respectfully disagree that you have to have experienced it all to be a good coach. A good coach needs to know their limitations and when necessary, be able to refer the athlete on to another coach that better meets the new needs.

A beginner needs to know the basics and not be concerned about the clutch strike. The intermediate bowler is often looking to become more of an assest to their team in league play and possibly getting ready for more local tournaments. This group of bowlers I feel more than capable of coaching, be they adult or youth.
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JessN16 · « **Reply #19 on:** August 03, 2007, 10:55:35 PM »

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You are comparing a team and contact sport to a game of skill. There is a huge difference.

Football, baseball, basketball and hockey are contact sports that require more strength than skill, for the most part. Some is agility, but much hinders on strength.

It requires a different level of understanding in golf, bowling or tennis. Individual sports are different.

I am merely referring to bronze level coaching. Not higher levels such as silver or even gold and there are those that I believe do not belong as gold level. Gold level should be the echelon and I do not believe, when it started out, that there would be that many.

My opinion.
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Disagree. Coaching is coaching. You can either teach someone and convince them to accept your suggestions/orders, or you can't. Not much difference between teaching a defensive back the specific technique he has to use to jam a wide receiver off his route, and teaching a bowler the proper hand position to use to release a bowling ball.

This goes for business as well as sports. How many consultants were experts in their own field before setting out as a consultant? Some, but not all. Same as in coaching.

What coaching is, is knowledge combined with the ability to persuade. It's as much a communication skill as anything else.

Jess

Oskuposer · « **Reply #20 on:** August 03, 2007, 11:00:38 PM »

Im getting my level one tomorrow morning so i can get my bronze. Its great to coach because if you really love the sport then try and help whoever you can to be better. It is bs that no one can get better. If a person wants to be better then they look for others with knowledge and expertise to help them. I hate it when you see hacks trying to coach. Its the blind leading the blind. My dad has been bowling for about 35 years. He got back into bowling when i first started 5 years ago. At first he was listening to his teamates and then when i finally understood the mechanics and the game better i told him not to listen to them and to listen and work with me. He basically is the lefty dave traber but more inconsistent. His average was about 160 and over the past month he has been aroun 190. Even and old dog can learn new tricks.
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CoachJim · « **Reply #21 on:** August 04, 2007, 05:25:39 AM »

The difference between coaching major sports and bowling is that coaching major sports is mostly about x's and o's, yes there are fundamentals that are taught even on the pro level, but they usually only have to be shown once and maybe a demo to make sure they have the basics right.

Bowling you are mostly coaching the ones who aren't good enough to make the above mentioned teams (usually because of a lack of motor coordination) I myself keep telling my hand to stay behind the ball but it just will not listen.

I am not saying there are not good athletes in bowling, just they seem to rise to the top and don't usually understand why others need coaching.

A successful Bowling Coach has to know what it is like to learn a new release, or change timing from early to late, or any fundamental themselves before passing it along to someone else, otherwise it is like having someone stand in front of you and read a book, except they usually don't stand in front of you, they usually stand back in the settee area and tell you you are dropping your shoulder or not hitting your mark.

OHBowler · « **Reply #22 on:** August 04, 2007, 07:40:28 AM »

So i guess since i started this thread ill put my $.02 in. I got my level 1 back in 1999 after i graduated high school and dropped my scholarship at Vincennes University to stay in my hometown which then i decided to start coaching our junior program which is by no means elite( a little give back, so you can say). Ive worked trying to get kids wanting to get better. If i have 100 kids a year usually 45 of them are there to socialize which is totally cool. Ive done this for 9 years for no pay, so i do not even consider myself a coach, but yet a volunteer. My main reason behind getting the bronze was a. because it was only 20 minutes away from me. b. im hoping in the future my high school gets a bowling team and id love to be apart of that when it starts. As for the bronze test after taking it i thought it was pretty basic. I learned alot of good training techniques but the relaxed armswing, open and closed shoulders, etc was info already known.Like in almost any argument on here i personally dont believe average dictates how good of a coach you are or how much knowledge you have. Ric, i agree with you that by just having my bronze level i am in no way ready to go out and start coaching private lessons for money. I think the bronze should be required just to coach the saturday morning kiddies for free. As far as silver and gold yes i think thats when you can really start saying your in it to coach and start making some money. Again i never really ever say much and thought id put a thought out there. Sorry for the long post!

se7en · « **Reply #23 on:** August 04, 2007, 10:08:33 AM »

I've only met one Gold level coach. He was a younger guy.

He was explaining to me some of the requirements that involved college courses, being able to teach handicapped and disabled people, having to have other Gold level coaches vouch for you. Things like that. It sounded arduous.
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ThongPrincess · « **Reply #24 on:** August 05, 2007, 02:08:51 AM »

Here is what is required for Gold:
Gold Certification Checklist
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