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WOWZERS

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Golf has the same perception issue as bowling
« on: December 01, 2016, 09:17:55 AM »
Link included below. Comments are from Jack Nicklaus complaining that advancement in golf ball technology is the reason for course closures.

I think some could draw a similar conclusion with the advent of new bowling ball technology.

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/news/jack-nicklaus-blames-golf-ball-132904968.html


 

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Re: Golf has the same perception issue as bowling
« Reply #1 on: December 01, 2016, 09:45:02 AM »
Yea, because with the new clubs and balls, golf has just become too damn easy.  :o
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Re: Golf has the same perception issue as bowling
« Reply #2 on: December 01, 2016, 09:57:09 AM »
His view is from a course designers view.  Just like bowling centers.  Its always someone else fault.  The economics of the golf industry are heading down the same path that bowling took about 15 years ago.  There is no grass roots growth of the sport.  As the older generations quit the game there are no new ones to take their place.

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Re: Golf has the same perception issue as bowling
« Reply #3 on: December 01, 2016, 10:03:58 AM »
Golf has always had a high turniver rate due to the difficulty of the game.  Technology advances in golf are very similar to bowling but dont benefit the average golfer who often has a difficult time just getting the ball airborne witout a big slicece.

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Re: Golf has the same perception issue as bowling
« Reply #4 on: December 01, 2016, 10:05:35 AM »
His view is from a course designers view.  Just like bowling centers.  Its always someone else fault.  The economics of the golf industry are heading down the same path that bowling took about 15 years ago.  There is no grass roots growth of the sport.  As the older generations quit the game there are no new ones to take their place.

Exactly. If the land a business occupies is worth more for another purpose, then there will always be someone willing to redevelop. Drive In movie theaters, Bowling Alleys, Golf Courses, Older style shopping centers are all destined to be replaced in a lot of areas.
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Re: Golf has the same perception issue as bowling
« Reply #5 on: December 01, 2016, 10:09:26 AM »
Golf has always had a high turniver rate due to the difficulty of the game.  Technology advances in golf are very similar to bowling but dont benefit the average golfer who often has a difficult time just getting the ball airborne witout a big slicece.

But the same thing is true for bowling. League bowlers are no longer the "average"  and I would venture to guess that the reactive balls don't really help most of them either.

The average golfer is little more than the once or twice a month have a beer and pizza bowler in my opinion.


Although it is probably a lot harder to get a bowling ball out of a sand trap.  ;D
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Re: Golf has the same perception issue as bowling
« Reply #6 on: December 01, 2016, 10:24:53 AM »
Based on what Jack is saying you could make the comparison.  But unlike bowling, most in the golf world do not feel it is the ball that is the culprit of the decline in participation.  At least golfers understand economics are more to blame.

And Jack has been complaining about golf balls for years, this is nothing new. 

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Re: Golf has the same perception issue as bowling
« Reply #7 on: December 01, 2016, 12:13:23 PM »
I think the most common perception that I thought of when I first read the article before starting this thread was the common link of the "older" greats complaining how technology has changed the game they were once good at. How many of the older great bowlers come out against technology advancements and many folks want to go back to the days of pre-resin, etc. I still remember Voss looking into the TV camera and stating to "ban sanded bowling balls" or something similar to that.....


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Re: Golf has the same perception issue as bowling
« Reply #8 on: December 01, 2016, 12:55:59 PM »
It is funny, and not a coincidence, that bowling and golf have had a lot of tech advances, and that the regulatory bodies of both sports have invested a lot of time and money into researching the same basic physics of round, spinning objects traveling toward a distant target.  They have researched coefficient of restitution (COR), rebound/spring effect, surface dynamics, core size/shape/rg/diff and cover hardness or softness, to name a few.  Different games, but not so different issues.

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Re: Golf has the same perception issue as bowling
« Reply #9 on: December 01, 2016, 02:10:20 PM »
This quote from the article sums it up for me.

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Courses have had to change along with it. It's now a slower game and more expensive than before, and that can't be a good thing."

I have stated it before, we sure do pay a ton of money for that increase in strike percentage.




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Re: Golf has the same perception issue as bowling
« Reply #10 on: December 01, 2016, 02:22:19 PM »
but golf is alot more popular then bowling
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Re: Golf has the same perception issue as bowling
« Reply #11 on: December 01, 2016, 03:10:54 PM »
Well said Luke.  Not so sure golf is more popular than bowling. 

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Re: Golf has the same perception issue as bowling
« Reply #12 on: December 01, 2016, 03:31:20 PM »
This thread is a Sawbones flashback.   :)

Since, I am involved in the golf industry I can male a few points from the Nicklaus article.  I would agree from a professional standpoint or those that have 105+mph driver swing speed that can take advantage of the new ball that they have made some courses outdated and too short.  ie. Merion, Baltusrol, etal.  Look what the USGA has had to do to play these old gems.  Look what Augusta National has had to do with lengthening it's course for The Masters.

BUT, how many players have 105+ driver SS?  less than 15% of the golfing public. None of us are PGA pros nor PBA pros. So, that discussion is down the tubes. 

The main reason golf has dropped off is the pace of play and amount of time one is going to put into a sport (note I say sport golf is a way harder endeavor to master than bowling given the parameters and playing rules of the different sports.)  Most can't give 4 to 5 hours to a game.  Hence why we have a proliferation of 3 person leagues which take 1:30 hours.  Majority of bowlers don't want to bowl 3 hour 5 man leagues. 

The First Tee golf youth program is much like the USBC youth program.  I doubt there is much difference there depending on locality.

There are many other reasons but I touched on a few that relate to the Nicklaus article and golf vs. bowling in general.

BTW....Mr. Nicklaus is one of those that supports Tee It Forward.

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Re: Golf has the same perception issue as bowling
« Reply #13 on: December 01, 2016, 07:16:54 PM »
Well said Luke.  Not so sure golf is more popular than bowling. 

It's certainly more marketable, I doubt there would be so many willing sponsors creating multi-million dollar prize funds if it didn't reach a significant audience.
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Re: Golf has the same perception issue as bowling
« Reply #14 on: December 02, 2016, 07:53:05 AM »
Research shows there are almost twice as many "bowlers" as there are "golfers" in the US when you compare participation.  Over 24 million people played golf at least once in 2015 while 45.9 million people bowled at least once in 2015.  There were almost 2 million league bowlers while there were very few golf league members.

I believe the main reason for the discrepancy in sponsorship funds is the demographic.  Golf draws in a more affluent demographic with more disposable income and thus the marketing of it is different.  I can't imagine a time in the near future where bowling will pass golf in that aspect.

What is more surprising is the number of bowling centers in the US is hovering around 4900 yet the number of golf courses is over 15,000.