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Qball2

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Greatest odds - All strike or all spare game?
« on: January 27, 2019, 09:33:42 PM »
I've searched everywhere and cannot find the answer to this question: Which has the greater odds of bowling (or which is more difficult to bowl) - an all strike game or an all spare game?

I've seen that the odds of bowling an all strike game is 11,500 to 1. Can anyone confirm?

I cannot find the odds of bowling an all spare game anywhere.

Does anyone know the numbers on sanctioned bowling leagues and whether they report the number of all strikes vs all spare games?

 

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Re: Greatest odds - All strike or all spare game?
« Reply #1 on: January 28, 2019, 01:26:31 PM »
Odds would be based on average. A 150 bowlers odds of either vs a 240 average bowlers odds are very different
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Re: Greatest odds - All strike or all spare game?
« Reply #2 on: January 28, 2019, 02:04:47 PM »
id imagine an all strikes game is way easier than an all spares game, at least in the sense of not trying for an all spares game.

now if we're going strictly for a player attempting an all spare game as opposed to an all strike game, its definitely all spares.  i'm sure enough people can strategically place enough balls into a small enough area to leave easy spare opportunities.


Now, if we're talking about actually trying to bowl the highest game possible.  300 is definitely easier than an all spare game.  sure 12 strikes in a row isn't easy persay, but anyone accurate enough to make 10 spares is going to mess around and throw a strike at some point in the game

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Re: Greatest odds - All strike or all spare game?
« Reply #3 on: January 28, 2019, 02:15:55 PM »
Still haven't thrown a perfect game (289 high) but thrown at least 3 all spare games back before made some adjustments to my style (was starting too far back and missing right alot on first ball).  Still occasionally throw clean games under 200 but throw more strikes than before.
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Re: Greatest odds - All strike or all spare game?
« Reply #4 on: January 28, 2019, 02:18:56 PM »
Well having done all 3 I'd say this the all spare was just a nite of total frustration {no carry}. The 300's were not gimme's especially 30 yrs. ago. But the Hardest was the Dutch 200, especially the 10th frame on the lane you needed both an X & the spare. That was more nerve wracking than X'ing out in the 10th for 300.

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Re: Greatest odds - All strike or all spare game?
« Reply #5 on: January 28, 2019, 07:26:54 PM »
All spare games much rarer than 300.  Bsck in the pre high tech ball era of the 60s it might have been close. 

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Re: Greatest odds - All strike or all spare game?
« Reply #6 on: January 30, 2019, 04:37:19 PM »
Odds would be based on average. A 150 bowlers odds of either vs a 240 average bowlers odds are very different

Do you really think the odds of bowling an all spare game for a 240 average bowler is any greater than a 150 average? I think it would be more difficult for a 240 average bowler to get an all spare game than it would be to get an all strike game. It is awfully difficult to both NOT get a strike and to pick up ALL frames every time. Isn't it??

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Re: Greatest odds - All strike or all spare game?
« Reply #7 on: January 31, 2019, 11:18:19 AM »
In todays environment an all spare game is extremely rare.  Modern balls are mire likely to leave splits if you ate s bit high, and 2-10 combinations if you are light.   Also its pretty hard to not carry on 10 consecutive pocket hits, but that is the only place you have a chance to leave an easy spare.   

Bottom line it is easier to throw 12 strikes than to leave 10 straight makeable spares and not strike.

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Re: Greatest odds - All strike or all spare game?
« Reply #8 on: January 31, 2019, 11:57:53 AM »
In todays environment an all spare game is extremely rare.  Modern balls are mire likely to leave splits if you ate s bit high, and 2-10 combinations if you are light.   Also its pretty hard to not carry on 10 consecutive pocket hits, but that is the only place you have a chance to leave an easy spare.   

Bottom line it is easier to throw 12 strikes than to leave 10 straight makeable spares and not strike.

I hear you, but I must disagree! I've actually done this multiple times this year in league play. What I have learned from it is....."The Grind"!

Instead of being totally frustrated because I knew I threw good shots and did not get the carry, I've been patient. I have never thrown an all spare game in my last game of the set. It has always been either the first game or the second game, so......I stick with the ball I am throwing(as long as I feel I've been throwing quality shots) and the transition comes to me, opening up my next game to the 240ish or 250ish level!
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Re: Greatest odds - All strike or all spare game?
« Reply #9 on: January 31, 2019, 12:00:24 PM »
Go to your local bowling alley on their biggest league night where you have a variety of low, mid, and high average bowlers.  Ask the front desk if they can provide print outs that show every frame result for every game for every bowler after the league has ended.

I know one of my centers can do that and another one doesn't have the capability.  Depends on their scoring system I think.  If the bowling alley is a modern Bowlero or Brunswick center they should be able to give you the print outs.

So if your center can do it, take home the results and do your own data analysis.
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Re: Greatest odds - All strike or all spare game?
« Reply #10 on: January 31, 2019, 12:29:31 PM »
Odds would be based on average. A 150 bowlers odds of either vs a 240 average bowlers odds are very different


^^ This.

Do you really think the odds of bowling an all spare game for a 240 average bowler is any greater than a 150 average? I think it would be more difficult for a 240 average bowler to get an all spare game than it would be to get an all strike game. It is awfully difficult to both NOT get a strike and to pick up ALL frames every time. Isn't it??

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Re: Greatest odds - All strike or all spare game?
« Reply #11 on: January 31, 2019, 12:30:36 PM »
Odds would be based on average. A 150 bowlers odds of either vs a 240 average bowlers odds are very different



Do you really think the odds of bowling an all spare game for a 240 average bowler is any greater than a 150 average? I think it would be more difficult for a 240 average bowler to get an all spare game than it would be to get an all strike game. It is awfully difficult to both NOT get a strike and to pick up ALL frames every time. Isn't it??


Qball2 ^^ This.

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Re: Greatest odds - All strike or all spare game?
« Reply #12 on: January 31, 2019, 05:38:51 PM »
Wow!  Multiple all spare games in one season would be incredible.   I can't remember the last time I saw one. 

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Re: Greatest odds - All strike or all spare game?
« Reply #13 on: January 31, 2019, 06:00:20 PM »
I struggled with carry for about a month this season.  Pretty sure there was a strike or two in there, but I had a few clean sets with three 190's.  For awhile I couldn't double up to save my life. 
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Re: Greatest odds - All strike or all spare game?
« Reply #14 on: January 31, 2019, 06:26:28 PM »
Clean game with only a couple of strikes is totally different than a true all spare game