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What about a Scratch/Handicap league?
« on: December 14, 2014, 02:32:19 PM »
What would you think of a league where you bowled half of it handicap and half scratch?

Say 1st quarter handicap, 2nd quarter scratch, 3rd quarter handicap and 4th scratch.

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Have a Handicap league that has more position rounds, but you bowl the position round scratch?
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Re: What about a Scratch/Handicap league?
« Reply #1 on: December 14, 2014, 06:44:17 PM »
We had a local trio scratch league that went to handicap team totals but scratch individual points.

In the last 5 years the league had gone from 30+ teams to 12. They managed to hang onto the 12 this year.

It has helped some teams win some more points. It will be interesting to see if the league grows any next year.

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Re: What about a Scratch/Handicap league?
« Reply #2 on: December 14, 2014, 10:42:48 PM »
If it's an existing scratch league that you're trying to integrate handicap into, you'll likely lose teams. Scratch bowlers generally hate the concept of handicap, and many will go elsewhere if there is a choice. I fall into that camp.
 
On the other hand, handicap bowlers generally are fearful of the word "scratch", and won't vote in rules that allow it in any form.
 
I've never heard of that kind of format, and would be surprised if I heard any real life success stories.

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Re: What about a Scratch/Handicap league?
« Reply #3 on: December 14, 2014, 10:58:38 PM »
We had a local trio scratch league that went to handicap team totals but scratch individual points. 

I'd like to go this route in our men's league but like Steven said above me, handicap bowlers cringe at the word "scratch". We have a 20 lane house and is full with a 4 man team men's league but we struggle to even get 1 full scratch bracket right now.

I think the only way to try and not lose so many people is by setting a team limit for average. But even then you might lose people because they don't get to bowl with who they want to bowl with

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Re: What about a Scratch/Handicap league?
« Reply #4 on: December 15, 2014, 07:16:55 AM »
It has debated here ad infinitum but in my mind average caps are still just a form of handicap. A way to make all teams fairly equal.

This league was not capped, was dominated by 2 or 3 top teams, and was top heavy on the league payout.

But at least around here most of the 200 to 225 crowd, the bulk of the"scratch" bowler pool, would rather beat up handicap bowlers than bowl scratch against the 235+ bowlers.

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Re: What about a Scratch/Handicap league?
« Reply #5 on: December 15, 2014, 02:51:42 PM »
I bowled in a scratch/handicap league where there were 8 points per week up for grabs.  4 points for scratch and 4 points for handicap.  So, each game had a handicap and a scratch point and totals was 1 for each scratch and handicap.  It was a pretty good league with a mixture of high and low averages.

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Re: What about a Scratch/Handicap league?
« Reply #6 on: December 15, 2014, 03:21:11 PM »
I'm skeptical that you'd get a lot of support for that concept because, as others have said, most bowlers plant their flags firmly on one side or the other (scratch or handicap). However, I guess it's always worth giving it a try if you can find people who are willing to do so. If I were you, I would just make sure that you have every possible rule and detail locked down before proposing it.

Personally, the best format I've come across (other than straight scratch  ;D ) was one that we used in Texas. Your bowling order was determined by average. Your top average bowler had to bowl 5th, your next highest bowled 4th, 3rd-highest bowled first, 4th-highest bowled 2nd, and lowest bowled 3rd. Then, you bowled both team and head-to-head game to game and for series. Meaning, not only were was your team trying to win the three games and series, but you were trying to win individual games and series from your opponent. Within the overall standings, your individual winning % was listed, so there was that added pride factor in maintaining a decent winning percentage. I liked this format a lot because the individual accountability game in and game out encouraged bowlers to keep trying to win their individual stuff even if the team was already way down or way ahead. All in all, I felt like there was less bagging in that scenario than I've seen in most others.

In any event, good luck with your scratch-handicap hybrid league. I'm all for seeing new things tried out in leagues. Let us know how it goes if you can get it started!

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Re: What about a Scratch/Handicap league?
« Reply #7 on: December 15, 2014, 05:19:32 PM »
Good luck. We had a Scratch/handicap league that was capped at 800 for 4 bowlers. Individual scratch with team handicap that was the difference of the teams average. I bowled it for about 10 years and they tried removing cap. We live in a smaller bowling community and do not have 40 scratch bowlers to bowl so we have accommodate to attract the 180 average bowlers. League had twelve teams every year until the year they dropped the cap because one team wanted to bowl together and refused to split and create another team. This allowed four bowlers whose were on different teams to create a team and enter at 870 with everyone else below 800. The league went from 12 to 8 teams that year because the lower averages were not going to pay to get whooped by this team weekly. They are now struggling to get 6 teams every year. Was one of the top 2-3 leagues until cap was dropped. What is better 12 team league with a handfull of 180 average bowlers or 6 teams of 190 plus?
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