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thewhiz

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Hand Position
« on: March 19, 2019, 12:14:19 AM »
No matter what I do I cant get my hand to the inside part of the ball.  Tried a wrist restrictor and that didnt work.  Anything I can do or is there a coach out there who could help.  Watched a ton of videos already.

 

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Re: Hand Position
« Reply #1 on: March 19, 2019, 08:00:17 AM »
The inability to get your hand behind the ball could be a result of everything that happens before it.  Example, if you have a bad pushaway that results in a reverse loop in your swing you won't have any leverage and will not be able to get your hand in a good position.  There are plenty of good coaches out there.  Post your area and somebody can give a recommendation.

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Re: Hand Position
« Reply #2 on: March 19, 2019, 08:14:44 AM »
Work on foul line release drills.  Take everything else out of the equation. Just swing and release.
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Re: Hand Position
« Reply #3 on: March 19, 2019, 10:40:55 AM »
I live near Pittsburgh pa

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Re: Hand Position
« Reply #4 on: March 19, 2019, 11:01:13 AM »
Mike Shady clinic June 1 at Nesbits' Lanes.  4 hour clinic for $125.

http://www.ppbowling.com/downloads/Nesbits_Lanes_Camp_Flyer_2019.pdf

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Re: Hand Position
« Reply #5 on: March 19, 2019, 12:46:30 PM »
Best advice my son was given when working on it, throw a backup ball for about an hour.

The difference for him was night and day afterwards.

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Re: Hand Position
« Reply #6 on: March 19, 2019, 02:15:16 PM »
Key for me to working the inside of the ball and staying behind it for me is keeping the wrist toward the thumb side.   That means the pinky finger side of the hand stays in slignment with the inside of the forearm through the back swing and release

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Re: Hand Position
« Reply #7 on: March 19, 2019, 07:14:46 PM »
Plenty of good advice here, for me it's just about feeling the fingers on the left, the thumb on the right of the ball, each pressing into each other.

Can also do something more drastic, like practicing throwing backup- you can't do backup with your fingers on the outside. In short don't turn at all to keep things simple.

Absolutely do it with foulline drills first. When you add swing, muscle memory comes into the picture + the hand does funny things when the ball is dropping fast and trying to release.

Finally, if you've been watching a lot of videos and know the theory, then it's more mental than anything else. Try different ways of reminding yourself. If backup doesn't work try reminding yourself of thumb position, wrist position, palm position, etc etc. Any one of these 'reminders' may end up working for you!

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Re: Hand Position
« Reply #8 on: March 20, 2019, 08:07:50 AM »
Get video of your hand position at release to see what you are currently doing before you can see what needs to be changed.
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Re: Hand Position
« Reply #9 on: March 20, 2019, 10:25:43 AM »
I already have the video.  For some reason on my backswing I turn my hand towards my body.  Basically I am turning it the wrong way.  Everything on here is helpful.  I will try all of these things suggested.

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Re: Hand Position
« Reply #10 on: March 20, 2019, 11:03:38 AM »
Do you mean you are turning early? Personally I don't turn at all. I start with my fingers inside and then I keep them there during the swing. I try to cup the ball right before the release but that actually helps the fingers get more inside, not less. Then at the point of release I rotate the ball anti clockwise- but that's a different story.

Try it with a football at home, practice keeping your fingers on the left and hand under in your swing, then the next time you bowl do the exact same thing but only with a foulline drill.

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Re: Hand Position
« Reply #11 on: March 20, 2019, 03:56:38 PM »
A part of keeping the wrist on the inside of the ball is cocking (not cupping).  To do this, break your wrist toward the pinkie finger and at the same time rotate your arm from the shoulder so the fingers are under the ball and angled toward your body.  Maintain this position until the thumb releases, then snap the wrist back to straight so the fingers roll the ball off the palm.  Look at some of the super slo-mo releases on YouTube.  --  JohnP

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Re: Hand Position
« Reply #12 on: March 20, 2019, 05:45:46 PM »
John P I understand about 3/4 of what your saying.  Do you mean do everything your saying during the swing or start with the wrist cocked.  I dont get you you can cock it and break it at the same time. 

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Re: Hand Position
« Reply #13 on: March 21, 2019, 05:54:27 AM »
Cupped and cocked to collapsed.  As the thumb comes out of the ball the hand collapses so the ball rolls off the hand and you don't hit up on the ball.  Watch some videos of Chris Barnes, EJ Tackett or Sean Rash.  Don't get too hung up on it though, most people can't do it. 

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Re: Hand Position
« Reply #14 on: March 21, 2019, 10:55:44 AM »
John P I understand about 3/4 of what your saying.  Do you mean do everything your saying during the swing or start with the wrist cocked.  I dont get you you can cock it and break it at the same time. 

Start in your set-up with the wrist cocked, not cupped - cupped and cocked is the next step for max revs ( the yo-yo release), you're not ready for that yet.  Cocked is a lateral adjustment with the wrist being bent toward the pinkie finger.  Cupped is a forward bend adjustment.  The clockwise (for a right hander) shoulder rotation brings your palm under the ball with the thumb pointed to about 2 o'clock (when the ball is dropped into the swing) and the fingers at 8 o'clock.  Maintain that position until the thumb releases then as the ball rolls off the palm release the cock and let the fingers create the revs.  --  JohnP 
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