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General Category => Miscellaneous => Topic started by: thewhiz on March 19, 2019, 12:14:19 AM
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No matter what I do I cant get my hand to the inside part of the ball. Tried a wrist restrictor and that didnt work. Anything I can do or is there a coach out there who could help. Watched a ton of videos already.
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The inability to get your hand behind the ball could be a result of everything that happens before it. Example, if you have a bad pushaway that results in a reverse loop in your swing you won't have any leverage and will not be able to get your hand in a good position. There are plenty of good coaches out there. Post your area and somebody can give a recommendation.
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Work on foul line release drills. Take everything else out of the equation. Just swing and release.
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I live near Pittsburgh pa
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Mike Shady clinic June 1 at Nesbits' Lanes. 4 hour clinic for $125.
http://www.ppbowling.com/downloads/Nesbits_Lanes_Camp_Flyer_2019.pdf
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Best advice my son was given when working on it, throw a backup ball for about an hour.
The difference for him was night and day afterwards.
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Key for me to working the inside of the ball and staying behind it for me is keeping the wrist toward the thumb side. That means the pinky finger side of the hand stays in slignment with the inside of the forearm through the back swing and release
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Plenty of good advice here, for me it's just about feeling the fingers on the left, the thumb on the right of the ball, each pressing into each other.
Can also do something more drastic, like practicing throwing backup- you can't do backup with your fingers on the outside. In short don't turn at all to keep things simple.
Absolutely do it with foulline drills first. When you add swing, muscle memory comes into the picture + the hand does funny things when the ball is dropping fast and trying to release.
Finally, if you've been watching a lot of videos and know the theory, then it's more mental than anything else. Try different ways of reminding yourself. If backup doesn't work try reminding yourself of thumb position, wrist position, palm position, etc etc. Any one of these 'reminders' may end up working for you!
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Get video of your hand position at release to see what you are currently doing before you can see what needs to be changed.
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I already have the video. For some reason on my backswing I turn my hand towards my body. Basically I am turning it the wrong way. Everything on here is helpful. I will try all of these things suggested.
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Do you mean you are turning early? Personally I don't turn at all. I start with my fingers inside and then I keep them there during the swing. I try to cup the ball right before the release but that actually helps the fingers get more inside, not less. Then at the point of release I rotate the ball anti clockwise- but that's a different story.
Try it with a football at home, practice keeping your fingers on the left and hand under in your swing, then the next time you bowl do the exact same thing but only with a foulline drill.
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A part of keeping the wrist on the inside of the ball is cocking (not cupping). To do this, break your wrist toward the pinkie finger and at the same time rotate your arm from the shoulder so the fingers are under the ball and angled toward your body. Maintain this position until the thumb releases, then snap the wrist back to straight so the fingers roll the ball off the palm. Look at some of the super slo-mo releases on YouTube. -- JohnP
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John P I understand about 3/4 of what your saying. Do you mean do everything your saying during the swing or start with the wrist cocked. I dont get you you can cock it and break it at the same time.
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Cupped and cocked to collapsed. As the thumb comes out of the ball the hand collapses so the ball rolls off the hand and you don't hit up on the ball. Watch some videos of Chris Barnes, EJ Tackett or Sean Rash. Don't get too hung up on it though, most people can't do it.
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John P I understand about 3/4 of what your saying. Do you mean do everything your saying during the swing or start with the wrist cocked. I dont get you you can cock it and break it at the same time.
Start in your set-up with the wrist cocked, not cupped - cupped and cocked is the next step for max revs ( the yo-yo release), you're not ready for that yet. Cocked is a lateral adjustment with the wrist being bent toward the pinkie finger. Cupped is a forward bend adjustment. The clockwise (for a right hander) shoulder rotation brings your palm under the ball with the thumb pointed to about 2 o'clock (when the ball is dropped into the swing) and the fingers at 8 o'clock. Maintain that position until the thumb releases then as the ball rolls off the palm release the cock and let the fingers create the revs. -- JohnP
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Point your index finger straight down at the ground at the bottom of your swing and get your index finger behind the ball at the bottom. Right now don't worry about if you are turning your hand in your back swing. As long as you can get back to this position at the bottom before release you should be ok. The rotation in the backswing could be because of limited motion range in your shoulder, arm, and wrist joints. I have the same issue.
This is just a guess. Post a video and it might be easier for people to see exactly what is going on.
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I live in Pittsburgh. I too, recommend Mike Shady's clinics. He hails from Erie Pa, not far from Pittsburgh. If you live in the area, I highly recommend Mike.
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If your goal is to develop a release that involves uncocking the wrist at release ( the "collapse"), I would recommend John P's advice. He explains precisely the mechanics behind it. Be advised however, that in most cases it is very difficult to master. It definitely requires a lot of effort and patience and if you have already developed years of muscle memory with your current release style, it may be impossible to pull off.
In addition ( and not related to the yo-yo release), I use the pit of my elbow ( where my forearm connects with my upper arm) as my reference point throughout my swing as a reminder to stay "behind the ball". I focus on keeping this facing the pins instead of
using my bowling hand (ring finger, etc.)as my reference. Unless you need to roll with zero axis rotation, your bowling hand is going to have to rotate at release, or you are going to have to "pre-set" your hand in your stance to the desired angle (of axis rotation) you desire for the condition at hand. Leading and RELEASING with the ring finger (or pinky) pointing upward will keep you behind the ball but you will not get axis rotation, if axis rotation is what you desire. By focusing on keeping the pit of your elbow facing the pins, you are now in a position to vary your axis rotation angles by
deploying a slight rotation of the wrist and/ or by pre-setting your bowling hand to the desired angle you wish in your stance ( the wrist rotates without affecting the position of the elbow pit).