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AlonzoHarris

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Playing the shim
« on: October 22, 2017, 10:48:01 AM »
Anyone thats able to play right up along the oil line on house shot, what equipment give you the best look? Mid range solid with surface? Low end with polish?

Just about everything I have takes off way too early but I enjoy feeding them straight down and not having to bend it all the time on house.
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Re: Playing the shim
« Reply #1 on: October 22, 2017, 11:12:38 AM »
Something that's a smooth shape, hook potential doesn't matter terribly depending on what you can do to the ball.  Could be a Dare Devil Trick or a Hot Cell depending on the specifics, but has to be a smooth shape. 
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Re: Playing the shim
« Reply #2 on: October 22, 2017, 11:24:39 AM »
Something that's a smooth shape, hook potential doesn't matter terribly depending on what you can do to the ball.  Could be a Dare Devil Trick or a Hot Cell depending on the specifics, but has to be a smooth shape.

Do you think the Ink with shorter 4" pin and 2k surface has a chance at that spot, or does it just flat out conserve to much energy and would jump too much on the backend?
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Re: Playing the shim
« Reply #3 on: October 22, 2017, 11:29:47 AM »
As I have mentioned in other posts,  smooth is where it it's at and should be (there always be exceptions based on the bowlers' style and the shape they require for their game)  But for the most part have ingredients pieces that give you more smooth, strong continuous arches, VS the hard skid and flip is FAR MORE BENEFICIAL in today's game.

I truly believe this., thus why my game is SO MUCH IMPROVED as opposed to 50 feet of skid, with inconsistent flip.
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Re: Playing the shim
« Reply #4 on: October 22, 2017, 11:37:46 AM »
Depending on volume, I'll use a strong early solid so it doesn't jackknife off the friction, but will actually read the lane if I get it in. That creates the most mistake area for me. So I'll use a Darkness or X.

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Re: Playing the shim
« Reply #5 on: October 22, 2017, 11:39:17 AM »
As I have mentioned in other videos, smooth is where it it's at and should be (there always be exceptions based on the bowlers' style and the shape they require for their game)  But for the most part have ingredients pieces that give you more smooth, strong continuous arches, VS the hard skid and flip is FAR MORE BENEFICIAL in today's game.

I truly believe this., thus why my game is SO MUCH IMPROVED as opposed to 50 feet of skid, with inconsistent flip.

Which is fine if you have hand and don't have to worry about taps but sometimes us low revers need some umpf on the backend to get carry (though polished high grit skid flip balls will blow right past the breakpoint so need surface still).  Then again even then the ball motion will be somewhere in between skid flip and continuous if not more on the continuous end regardless.  Also need the skid flip if chasing the oil far inside to get carry but that ain't me (playing deep for me is 3rd arrow).
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Re: Playing the shim
« Reply #6 on: October 22, 2017, 12:37:59 PM »
I agree as why I mentioned it was always be exceptions for different bowler's.  But in general, the VAST majority of equipment does not NEED to always jack knife off the end of the pattern either.

At anytime in this games history have I seen SO MANY bowlers'  having to play inside 4th arrow (Including me and I'm on the left side of the lane)  That is NOT the norm from how the game was;  smh.

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Re: Playing the shim
« Reply #7 on: October 22, 2017, 12:41:34 PM »
There's a place for all types of ball reactions for everyone;  However, for it to be over 90% of all equipment is ridiculous and is NOT all necessary I don't care what anybody says on this.


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« Reply #8 on: October 22, 2017, 01:15:45 PM »
I completely agree and was being pedantic.  Forgot who but as one of the regulars on here posted when bowler's ask me what ball to get I tell them to get Hy-Road if they want to score on THS and those that ignore the advice and buy a Sure Lock or Snap Lock instead usually regret it.  10 year old middle of the road balls aren't as sexy but people learn.  That said buying me a More Cash and decided to drill it max flare after all because I already have plenty of middle of road (including a Hy-Road) and weak balls and with my style it will probably be viable on fresh house shot (not going to lie will probably have to change the surface though).  Even with all that ball 3rd arrow is probably about as far left as I am getting due to low revs and low track and speed dominant.  Still imagine for my doubles league will be using my Hy-Road for game 3 if not some of 2.  Honestly if anything my arsenal was too smooth heavy for my style until I went out and got this latest monster (only other solids are IQ Tour and Burgundy Hammer for example).  But I hear you.
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Re: Playing the shim
« Reply #9 on: October 22, 2017, 05:12:59 PM »
We're on the same page, as a bowler who is the opposite of you (rev dominant, lower speed high rotation)  I can relate as all I had was the low rg, high/max flare reactives, and they were too difficult to control;  Once I learned to use weaker smooth pieces, and manipulate my release and control my rotation, I finally was able to balance my arsenal (along with my versatility)  and have a nice, balenced bag, and now I am prepared for all conditions (versatility and equipment).

But without that balence, it was gonna be pure hell for me (being a pure tweener  we already have hell between the strikers and crankers).

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Re: Playing the shim
« Reply #10 on: October 22, 2017, 06:25:40 PM »
If it's synthetic something with an early core helps it not over react going up the boards.  For me it's the respect hybrid.

Wood, anything low end with polish.
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Re: Playing the shim
« Reply #11 on: October 22, 2017, 06:44:24 PM »
A Wipe Out allows me to do that quite often and a GB2 here and there. Usually 3000 ish for the surface.
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Re: Playing the shim
« Reply #12 on: October 23, 2017, 12:56:49 PM »
The further out I want to play the less jerk I want to see down lane.  Having said that, people often don't realize that 80% of ball reaction comes from your release (rev rate, axis rotation, speed).  If I am a lower speed, high axis rotation guy, it is going to be hard to find a ball that let's me hug the oil on a house shot.  Likewise if I am rev dominant. 

There is no question that us teeeners, and low rev guys get a better reaction when we can play more direct.  However sometimes the only way for us to play direct is with something like urethane, and carry is always problematic with urethane.
 

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Re: Playing the shim
« Reply #13 on: October 24, 2017, 08:44:09 AM »
There is no question that us teeeners, and low rev guys get a better reaction when we can play more direct.  However sometimes the only way for us to play direct is with something like urethane, and carry is always problematic with urethane.
 

Get a hot cell. I plan to write about it in another post, but carry is not an issue with that ball. Most continuous urethane I've ever thrown. I also don't find carry to be that bad with some other modern urethane releases with weight blocks. However, the hot cell pretty much hits like resin.