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General Category => Miscellaneous => Topic started by: strikeordie on September 24, 2016, 08:44:06 AM
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With so many new releases coming out, how does one decide? I am so tempted to pull the trigger on the mission unknown. I think I am going to hold out for the columbia impulse. What will be your next ball purchase?
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It's not as simple since every company is coming out with good stuff. Just got to do some research
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Honestly, this is why I stick with one company's products. I've been thinking about trying some Motiv, and if I like it, I'll be switching from 900 Global (since 07) to all Motiv. When you keep it in a single product line, it's easier to choose something that they've designed for that purpose, instead of trying to cross brands and guess.
Note: Only reason I am considering a change is because I hate Storm covers, which is what the high end Global products have now.
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With so many new releases coming out, how does one decide?
The most important thing is to first identify what you need. Where is the gap?
If you end up just buying the shiniest trinket on the shelf, all you end up with is a lot of overlap.
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At the moment the only purchase I know is 100% happening is the Motiv Primal Fear. The Scandal Pearl and Cyborg Pearl are certainly interesting pieces though.
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At the moment the only purchase I know is 100% happening is the Motiv Primal Fear. The Scandal Pearl and Cyborg Pearl are certainly interesting pieces though.
Yeah, after some consideration, I've decided to try a Tag, Shock, GT, Fear, Revolt, and Trident.
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At the moment the only purchase I know is 100% happening is the Motiv Primal Fear. The Scandal Pearl and Cyborg Pearl are certainly interesting pieces though.
Yeah, after some consideration, I've decided to try a Tag, Shock, GT, Fear, Revolt, and Trident.
Sounds like a very good arsenal to me.
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Depends on how you bowl of course.
For someone like me with few revs and with a path that is close to the holes (think that's a high axis tilt), then balls like the ones I use is good.
If you got lots of revs and an axis tilt, like one of the guys in the club, then balls like the Freakshow and such, or balls for less oil is good for you. The Freakshow didn't do much for me on the pattern I usually play on, so I'll only play with it when the oil has almost dried up :P
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Honestly, this is why I stick with one company's products. I've been thinking about trying some Motiv, and if I like it, I'll be switching from 900 Global (since 07) to all Motiv. When you keep it in a single product line, it's easier to choose something that they've designed for that purpose, instead of trying to cross brands and guess.
Note: Only reason I am considering a change is because I hate Storm covers, which is what the high end Global products have now.
Good advice. I have stuck with MOTIV for this reason. Their Ball Guide really has helped me make choices that fit what I am needing.
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Honestly, this is why I stick with one company's products. I've been thinking about trying some Motiv, and if I like it, I'll be switching from 900 Global (since 07) to all Motiv. When you keep it in a single product line, it's easier to choose something that they've designed for that purpose, instead of trying to cross brands and guess.
Note: Only reason I am considering a change is because I hate Storm covers, which is what the high end Global products have now.
Good advice. I have stuck with MOTIV for this reason. Their Ball Guide really has helped me make choices that fit what I am needing.
There is more simplicity in staying exclusively within one line. But the flip side is that you might not be getting the best ball for a specific purpose.
I was exclusively Motiv up to 3 years ago. I got hooked when I threw two 300s in a row with an Ascent to win a big money sport shot tournament, and decided to go crazy with Motiv. It was a good overall line-up of balls, and I threw a couple of sanctioned 300s with different Venoms, but found other Motiv balls lacking, especially in the heavier oil category.
I'm not picking on Motiv in particular. I'm not sure there is any company top to bottom that has the best of breed in every category. But if you're willing to do the research and watch closely what other good bowlers are having success with, you can probably do better with a hybrid company line-up.
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Well, IMO, Motiv has grown in leaps and bounds when it comes to more than one ball reaction. Like I said, I was happy with 900 Global, but their Storm influence has now turned me off. If I wanted to throw Storm, id be a Storm guy and my nibs would be of higher value. I'm not getting rid of my Global stuff (well, not all of it) but it's been 9 years exclusive with them, and it's time to try something new.
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I really like the venom panic and rebel tank. The forza redline was a bust for me.
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Impending Doom
If you switch to Motiv, I'm sure you won't have buyers remorse. Motiv has a great lineup who's balls can compete with any mfg. out there.
I quit Storm/Roto for a different reason. All my Storm/Roto balls (5) since 2013 have cracked completely around the ball.. The last one being the Crux.
I have never had a Motiv ball crack. Good Luck to you throwing Motiv.
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Well, IMO, Motiv has grown in leaps and bounds when it comes to more than one ball reaction. Like I said, I was happy with 900 Global, but their Storm influence has now turned me off. If I wanted to throw Storm, id be a Storm guy and my nibs would be of higher value. I'm not getting rid of my Global stuff (well, not all of it) but it's been 9 years exclusive with them, and it's time to try something new.
I don't dispute your assessment. But for instance, if you're looking for a high performance asymmetric pearl in the Motiv line-up, you're going to come up empty. For me, I wouldn't go to a high level longer format tournament without one. This season, I'll be carrying two -- one from Columbia and one from Radical.
I think it's great that you're willing to try something new, but go easy at first. If you slowly find Motiv fills all your expectations, congratulations.
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Well, IMO, Motiv has grown in leaps and bounds when it comes to more than one ball reaction. Like I said, I was happy with 900 Global, but their Storm influence has now turned me off. If I wanted to throw Storm, id be a Storm guy and my nibs would be of higher value. I'm not getting rid of my Global stuff (well, not all of it) but it's been 9 years exclusive with them, and it's time to try something new.
I don't dispute your assessment. But for instance, if you're looking for a high performance asymmetric pearl in the Motiv line-up, you're going to come up empty. For me, I wouldn't go to a high level longer format tournament without one. This season, I'll be carrying two -- one from Columbia and one from Radical.
I think it's great that you're willing to try something new, but go easy at first. If you slowly find Motiv fills all your expectations, congratulations.
Granted, there is no high end assym pearl, but I really don't match up with them. Usually too much off the spot. Last assym pearl I matched up with was the Nuts Pearl. Network was good, but so much midlane. If I ever get to the point where I need an assym pearl, I could probably subbing another ball.
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With so many new releases coming out, how does one decide? I am so tempted to pull the trigger on the mission unknown. I think I am going to hold out for the columbia impulse. What will be your next ball purchase?
Like it was said before you have to identify the gap in your lineup and go from there. That still leaves a lot of options to sort through, especially in the medium oil/moderate reaction range, but it's a good start.
Then narrowing it down by preferred core numbers, core shapes, coverstocks you have or haven't had success with in the past, or even companies you just don't like helps too. It's definitely a process these days if you don't just want to leave it up to your pro shop to decide.
What's nice is that just about everything coming out is really quality stuff so the chances of getting a dud are reduced. The most common misfire I see around here are balls being too strong for what people want them for. Not a big surprise and I try to steer them in the right direction when I can but some comfort zones when buying equipment are hard to break out of.
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Granted, there is no high end assym pearl, but I really don't match up with them. Usually too much off the spot. Last assym pearl I matched up with was the Nuts Pearl. Network was good, but so much midlane. If I ever get to the point where I need an assym pearl, I could probably subbing another ball.
Many of the high end assm pearls are not too much off the spot. The Columbia Swerve FX is very controllable. The Radical Guru Limited, while a little more aggressive, is still very controllable. These are not the lower end floppy pearls most bowlers are familiar with.
In any case, that was just one example. I could have also pointed out that Motiv doesn't offer a heavy oil solid symmetric in the same category as the Hammer Scandal. That might not be in your "match up" category either, but the point is that it's not an option if you're only with Motiv.
Consider all the tradeoffs before pledging allegiance to one single bowling flag.
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Granted, there is no high end assym pearl, but I really don't match up with them. Usually too much off the spot. Last assym pearl I matched up with was the Nuts Pearl. Network was good, but so much midlane. If I ever get to the point where I need an assym pearl, I could probably subbing another ball.
Many of the high end assm pearls are not too much off the spot. The Columbia Swerve FX is very controllable. The Radical Guru Limited, while a little more aggressive, is still very controllable. These are not the lower end floppy pearls most bowlers are familiar with.
In any case, that was just one example. I could have also pointed out that Motiv doesn't offer a heavy oil solid symmetric in the same category as the Hammer Scandal. That might not be in your "match up" category either, but the point is that it's not an option if you're only with Motiv.
Consider all the tradeoffs before pledging allegiance to one single bowling flag.
this is now 2 posts by you to turn Doom away from Motiv. Why? Nobody offers a ball like the Scandal in the symmetric category. The Remix and Havoc are plenty of ball fot even the heaviest of conditions. Doom never said the line was perfect, but it offers what he needs.
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I agree with the op...way to much awesome stuff coming out...i could literally buy 20 balls and still not have everything I wanna try out
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this is now 2 posts by you to turn Doom away from Motiv. Why? Nobody offers a ball like the Scandal in the symmetric category. The Remix and Havoc are plenty of ball fot even the heaviest of conditions. Doom never said the line was perfect, but it offers what he needs.
I made it clear earlier that I wasn't picking on Motiv. That the problems with the "one company only" mentality applies to all companies.
Doom or anyone else can stick with Motiv or whatever company they choose to be a fanboy of. The point is to at least do it with your eyes open and understand the whole picture.
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Steven
Go back and read your posts. You seem to be trying every way you can to discourage Impending Doom from going completely to Motiv.
I personally admire Impending Doom for trying something different. Storm/Roto is not the end all in choosing a brand.
I completely agree with tkkshop's post. Impending Doom knows what he is doing and what he wants to do, let him determine what's best for him.
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I wrote and read my own posts. I started by saying that I wasn't picking on Motiv in particular, and that I didn't think any company has it covered top to bottom. If this eluded you, it's clearly there to check out.
I jumped into this line of discussion because two posters took the post in this direction first. Anything written is fair game to be respectfully challenged. Its actually healthy to debate two sides of a position, so I jumped in. If you're offended by open and reasonable discussion, you might want to examine your motivations for being on a forum designed to explore different angles.
BTW, doom is a big boy and he's going to do what he wants regardless. Give him credit for being able to process information and make up his own mind.
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Thanks for looking out for me, everyone.
Steven, you're right. They don't have a "complete" arsenal, but I've been in the game for a bit. Watch older ball motion videos of Motivs and you will see very smooth ball motion across the board. They're upped their game and now have a more complete look across the board.
I'll be straight. For my game, Storm covers are garbage. Even my Dream On is sometimes too much off the spot, and the Respect, Moxie, and OG Dream rolled like dung for me. It almost feels like they tweaked S70 too.
I was a huge Track guy before the Ebonite buyout, so I stopped throwing them. Knew the covers and cores wouldn't be the same, so I tried some MoRich until 900 Global came along. I'm actually glad I have some NIB goodies from them.
But their covers have changed, I dont match up to the newer covers, time to try something new.
I'll always be a one company kinda guy, but until I find a Motiv reaction that replaces a global ball, I'll mix and match.
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Doom, a very reasonable and rational response. You've posted here long enough for there be no doubt that you understand your game and have done your homework. Still, I like to post and play devil's advocate for a different point of view to stimulate conversation, and maybe get others to think in areas they haven't.
In any case, I've got to believe that between 900Global and Motiv, you'll find what you're looking for. Good luck.
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I might be switching to motiv eventually too. I don't like the way they are evolving at storm. They can't out do the HYROAD's, Marvel's, virtuals and cells....they keep releasing it all overseas and most of this new stuff is crap.
I never sell balls as quickly as I do now. I got rid of the fight and phaze after less than 10 games each.
I had to go buy a hyroad again lol.
They need to stop trying to reinvent the wheel. U don't see the pros using the shotty releases either on TV.
I feel the new inception and truth are garbage too. Zero staffer hype. Barnes looked horrendous with it on the wolf (even though it was the wrong ball I feel for the patter )...
Motiv just keeps peaking my interest. If I start with anything it's a venom shock....
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Motiv has released 4 shiny asymmetric balls in 10 years. It's not a market that they try and persue. Just shine the Trident and it's as angular as the next asym.
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Just purchased the mission unknown, advertising sucked me in. but i mostly throw motiv and amf.
I will say i did not match up well with the forza redline but the other 8 motiv balls i have are all great.I also will buy the FEAR as the primal rage is in my opinion the best ball they have produced
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I got a Redline for free, and it's at the shop all plugged up and waiting for me. I haven't heard stellar reviews about it, so I'm not hoping for much. However, I do have a inside line on a Revolt. That, I'm excited about.
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I got a Redline for free, and it's at the shop all plugged up and waiting for me. I haven't heard stellar reviews about it, so I'm not hoping for much. However, I do have a inside line on a Revolt. That, I'm excited about.
Covert Revolt or Revolt Havoc?
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I myself was a loyal Storm/Roto guy for many years, and got tired myself of the recycled cores/covers myself before I too started Switching over to Motiv.
I have to say that with me purchasing the Covert Revolt, Venom Shock, and the Primal Rage, that they have made me a believer in their products.
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Doom
I know a lot of guys were disappointed in the Redline. Most felt it was jumpy and had an inconsistent reaction.
I actually like mine a lot.
I took a lot of ribbing on the color, but nobody was laughing at the way it blew up the rack. Like you said earlier, a lot of times its how one matches up to a ball. I guess the Redline and me are a good match.
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As far as to decide rather to stay brand loyal, or be open to all manufacturers, to each their own: All I know is that as somebody mentioned earlier, is while it can be overwhelming with all the choices out there, you can and usually will LIMIT yourself staying in the same line as well. I'll always consider Storm/Roto no matter what, but I also will always consider Motiv, Brunswick, and Dv8 and keep my options open on what suits me best, versus one single line by one company.
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I got a Redline for free, and it's at the shop all plugged up and waiting for me. I haven't heard stellar reviews about it, so I'm not hoping for much. However, I do have a inside line on a Revolt. That, I'm excited about.
Covert Revolt or Revolt Havoc?
Covert
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My next ball will be the Scandal Pearl.
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The next ball I buy? Probably will be either a Hy-Wire, Respect Pearl, IQ Tour#4, or a Reactor covered ball depending on how my last few purchases roll when I drill them.
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My next ball will be the Scandal Pearl.
that ball surely has my attention
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I couldn't wait any longer so I got a mission unknown. Ending up getting a red one. It is one sexy ball!