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a_ak57

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A question about flare...
« on: January 16, 2006, 02:53:12 AM »
Unlike most of my questions which are usually about myself, this is just a quick question.  What controls the distance between flare rings?  It's something I've never really thought about.  Is it derived the strength of the core, or is it more dependant on the bowler?  Or a combination of one/both of those along with the lane conditions?  Or, is there no clear cut answer and it's just something I shouldn't bother thinking about?

Thanks for any help..
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shelley

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Re: A question about flare...
« Reply #1 on: January 16, 2006, 11:02:13 AM »
I would say the differential controls the distance.  If you put the same amount of hand on two balls, one high-diff and one low-diff but otherwise drilled the same, then there will be the same number of rings (whether they overlap or are on top of each other aside) on both balls.  But the high-diff ball flares "more" because the rings have greater separation.

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guzmand19

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Re: A question about flare...
« Reply #2 on: January 16, 2006, 11:04:05 AM »
I believe it's the core, forcing the ball to wobble a bit as the ball gets into a roll.  A ball with just straight core will roll perfect end over end, and the hook monsters always have a nice asymetric core.

The bowler would control where the flare is located though, I believe.
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Re: A question about flare...
« Reply #3 on: January 16, 2006, 11:11:21 AM »
It is the combination.

The same bowler using two different core differentials will get different flare separation.

Two different bowlers using the same ball and drill will get different amounts of separation.

Differential will tell you how easily a core wants to flare but the bowlers release will determine how much.  

Lastly pin position in relation to the PAP will determine the amount of flare. A pin at 3 3/8 inch from the PAP (the point at which the core is 45 degrees from the track/PAP) will produce the maximum amount of flare that core is capable of. A pin at 6 ¾ or 0 will produce the least amount of flare the core is capable of.

Once you have separation of the flare rings additional flare is overkill and provides little if any advantage. The primary purpose of flare is to expose a fresh un-oiled surface of the ball to the lane.

da Shiv

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Re: A question about flare...
« Reply #4 on: January 16, 2006, 12:21:59 PM »
Revs are a big determinant of the distance between flare rings.  The ball's differential and where you have the pin in relation to your PAP determine the amount of flare potential.  As has been stated, 3 3/8" from PAP maximizes the flare potential of the ball.  Given that, a bowler with lots of revs will have more flare rings, and closer together.  A bowler with the same ball speed, but fewer revs will have fewer flare rings, and further apart--usually.

Here's another little discussed factoid about flare.  It's well known that moving the pin further from or closer to your PAP than 3 3/8 reduces flare potential.  Putting the pin about halfway between leverage (3 3/8) and your track, or about halfway between leverage and your PAP reduces flare potential about equally.  The rarely mentioned difference is that GENERALLY what flare you get from a longer pin to PAP distance will come later in the ball's path; and what flare you get from a shorter pin to PAP distance will come earlier in the ball's path.  (This is a general rule, and is applicable primarily to symmetric cored balls.  Highly asymmetric balls like Mo's are subject to their own rules, and I leave that to the experts.)  So, you can get greater length out of a ball with a long pin to PAP distance not only because that drilling slows up how quickly the ball will rev up, but also because it is saving most of whatever flare it has for the back.  The lesser flare in the heads and mids also contributes to length.

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