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Aud300

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An interesting question
« on: August 20, 2013, 03:19:10 PM »
After having a great weekend with my bowling friends, a interesting question was asked and a hour long debate ensued. Also,seeing the scores so low in Houston at the Non-Champion on Cheetah, the early reports from the New Mexico Open with a even cut, my question to the group is this : Has Named patterns or knowing what you are bowling on HURT or ENHANCED the sport of bowling? A thought on Houston and of course I wasn't there due to work but if Cheetah is played right it should be out by the gutter, did the guests play them wrong or did other issues like lane topography, hardness of surface,etc. come to play. A thought on the New Mexico open is to me an old school event where you so up to bowl on what was out there without knowing what is out there and execute shots.That Cut was even. All in all, the cream will always rise to the top. But I would love to know the thoughts of this group and the wise members of it.
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Re: An interesting question
« Reply #1 on: August 20, 2013, 04:07:21 PM »
For most experienced bowlers the only thing they really need to know is the length of the buff and the overall oil volume.  Not everyone would play the patterns the same as I do, but generally I would play the Cheetah, Viper, and some of the short Kegel patterns in the same area.  Longer patterns get trickier because a lot starts to depend on what the track area of the surface is like. 

In short I want to know the buff length because it gives me a good starting point.  As far as names go, I think they have tweaked the named patterns a couple of times.  I know I always liked the shark, but hit it twice in two different houses last summer and it didn't transition at all like what I was expecting based on past experience.   

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Re: An interesting question
« Reply #2 on: August 20, 2013, 04:24:56 PM »
Same thing happened on the Wolf in the Central region.  If you put a pattern out that is supposed to be played on the gutter at a house were the ball doesn't hook off the edge, it is a disaster.  Cut in the Central was 148 under with Tour guys bowling, not a non-champion event.

They have tweaked the name patterns, but what the PBA doesn't advertise is the volume.  I know when they were A-E there were 3 different volumes for each.  I haven't been a member in 8 years, so I'm not sure how many different volumes they currently use for each pattern.

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Re: An interesting question
« Reply #3 on: August 20, 2013, 04:28:50 PM »
That is what happened in Houston, They bowled on brand new synthetic lanes. I am thinking that is what made the difference. 
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Re: An interesting question
« Reply #4 on: August 20, 2013, 04:38:57 PM »
I read somewhere the Central bowled on old wood that didn't hook off the gutter.

New synthetics should hook off the edge if the installation was good and the lane machine was stripping properly.  More than likely the lane machine was leaving a little residue behind creating hang on the edge.  When the pattern is flat from about 6 to 6 and the gutter hangs..........yuck! 

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Re: An interesting question
« Reply #5 on: August 20, 2013, 04:42:43 PM »
To answer your original question, I think it has helped the game to post the patterns as then everyone has the same information.  Before they were posted some people would find out and others wouldn't.  And it's especially helpful if flying anywhere.

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Re: An interesting question
« Reply #6 on: August 21, 2013, 01:14:27 AM »
All synthetics are different depending on the manufacturer! I agree that when they post the patterns, everybody has the same opportunity to get the info on how to play them! AMF lanes and Brunswick lane are different from each other and how they're installed is different as well! Kegel did a demonstration with Norm Duke and Pete Weber with changing the tilt of the lane and they couldn't get the ball to hook off the outside! I don't know if that video is still on youtube or not, but is very interesting to watch! Just my $.02, Bruce
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Re: An interesting question
« Reply #7 on: August 21, 2013, 11:25:51 AM »
Where was this tournament held?
 
I know in the past, the Non-Champions event was held at Del-Mar lanes. I know it was on Cheetah one year when I bowled in it. Now Del-Mar were not  brand new at the time, but they weren't "old" either. Cheetah there played outside like it was supposed to, but it didn't have a huge dry area either. That house used to put a shot down to play the track, with a little OOB on the outside. That "memory" remained even with the Cheetah pattern on the lanes. It made dry boards not so dry and you had to play straigher up the outside because the ball wouldn't "snap" back from the gutter. Which worked ok for me, I like to play straighter and I did very well that year, lol.
 
Also remember, they changed the Cheetah pattern last year, I believe (or maybe the year before that). It plays a little tougher than the one that was out for the 3-4 years prior to that. Went back to being closer to the original PBA short oil pattern, when it was called E, I think (the patterns were just letters back then A, B, C, D, and E). So the oil/dry line is much steeper, meaning you hit 1, 2, or 3 and the ball hooks dead left, you hit 5 and you leave a washout (a little bit of an exaggeration but you get my point). This will help lower the scores a little on Cheetah as well.  And as far as playing them correctly, I have bowled in probably a handful of Regionals, and in each one the same is true. People will play all over the lanes, some where they are "supposed" to play and some in other areas. This will always be true. But i'd say that 95 out of 100 times, the bowlers that make it to second day and the finals are the ones playing where they are "supposed" to play.
 
Sorry for the long winded response, but to now answer the OP question, I think knowing has helped. In any tournament there will always be someone who knows the pattern. I can't speak for the New Mexico Open, but I bet there were 1 or 2 players who are local, friends with the lane man, or the pro shop, who knew something about the pattern ahead of time. By publishing the pattern, or using one that is already out there, everyone starts with the same information. The skill of the bowlers will make the difference. And not just physical skill, but mental skill as well. How well they can take the knowledge of the pattern and use that to deduce where and how to play the lanes. Just like any sport, you need to develop your mental game as well as your physical game in bowling as well.
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