Post by: intergalactic on October 24, 2004, 05:23:08 PM
If you look closely you can see me popping up after my ball is released I'm working on staying down but if I get lazy I start popping up again.
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Post by: Phlap218 on October 25, 2004, 02:20:14 AM
quote:
On edit: You get to the line too early, your elbow is bent throughout the semi-muscled backswing, you drift alot, and you come up at the line. (that's the stuff I see right now. I'll look more in depth tomorrow when I can see it).
The drift to me isn't that bad. You do drift but you slide right and end up almost where you were standing and your toe is facing to the right.. which is good in my books. A bent elbow may cause some pain later on. I had that problem and i was bowling so much and with that elbow bent it started hurting a ton.
Post by: rkaycom on October 25, 2004, 02:31:28 AM
Edit: Things that must be fixed; Push away (Where is it? more like a bombs away), backswing (Get rid of the bent elbow), stepping (You step infront of your feet, make you look crap), Balancing arm (Keep it still, your not trying to swim here), Step up (Annoying habit which I worked very hard on to remove from my own approche), Speed (Walk don't run), Release (Looks ify), Balancing leg (Kick it out abit more, its behind you to much)...
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Post by: Re-Evolution on October 25, 2004, 02:32:51 AM
I watched your video in slow motion to get a better look at things.
Things that I thought looked good:
leg to swing timing and follow through.
Things I saw that could give you trouble:
1 You bend your arm in your back swing once it is about 1/2 way up, this causes your down swing to be steeper and may cause you to grip the ball sub-consiously, costs you speed because the upper arm is still traveling up but the ball becomes stationary so it has less time for gravity to speed it up, may affect release timing due to inconsistent arm bend.
2 Your hips are not square to the target line forcing you to turn shoulders or through across your body to hit the intended target line (you did both) this costs you leverage and if the release is early or late it will be off target because of the shoulder coil that is involved. Your shoulders did end up square to the target on that shot though.
3 By the position of your hand at the end of your follow through it makes me think that you are bumping the ball at release because you end up with your hand curled and a cocked wrist. I used to do the same thing trying to increase revs but all it did was cause me to over turn the ball (excess axis rotation) which costs you lift.
You can take my observations or leave them, because no two bowlers bowl alike, but you are doing some of the things that I used to do and still do sometimes and when I did/do it costs me accuracy and leverage/revs.
PS: I am not trying to pick on or belittle your style just trying to give some advice that I think will help you become more consistent cause consistency is everything.
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Post by: rkaycom on October 25, 2004, 02:42:38 AM
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Post by: intergalactic on October 25, 2004, 02:47:05 AM
Be as blunt as you want I can take it
I can't tell if I had a push away either some times when I get lazy I just drop it (as well as pop up)My ballance arm has always done that no coach has ever pointed it out to me so I never though of changing it.
My bent arm is something every coach has pointed out but never told me how to change it.
My release is the only thing I'm happy about
Did you guys catch my blue hair?
I wan't to be perfect so blast away!
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Post by: rkaycom on October 25, 2004, 03:20:34 AM
You balance arm is easy to fix, all you have to do is focus on keeping it out and still, if you reduce your speed this will become easier, the bent elbow is a little harder to fix it will require alot of work and commitment (like me trying to rasie my back swing which i then over did and had to learn how to lower
) but really the secret to fixing your problems is to phyisicaly focus on it and try to change it, theres nothing that you can really do that will instanly change it you just have to do it...--------------------
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Post by: rkaycom on October 25, 2004, 03:23:10 AM
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Post by: intergalactic on October 25, 2004, 03:30:10 AM
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One will stand and
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Edited on 10/25/2004 3:22 AM
Post by: rkaycom on October 25, 2004, 03:32:27 AM
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"Hook Isn't The Key, A Repeatable Consistent Shot Is"
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Post by: intergalactic on October 25, 2004, 02:11:05 PM
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They stand beneath the blinding lights
The roar becomes a deafening silence
In reverence before the fight
One will live tonight
One will die tonight
One will stand and
One will fall
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Post by: scotts33 on October 25, 2004, 02:19:35 PM
Get the opinions of "real" in person one on one qualified coaches to give you their opinions. Remove some flaws and issues to work on.
Scott
Post by: intergalactic on October 25, 2004, 02:39:07 PM
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Post by: scotts33 on October 25, 2004, 02:53:21 PM
What is the best technique for most is NOT the best technique for all. I am not saying that at an early age you might not want to go to a locked elbow ala 95% of all bowlers....BUT opinions here are what you paid for 'em....worth nothing. The majority are NOT qualified coaches. Good bowlers yes.
Have an open mind.
Scott
Post by: Re-Evolution on October 25, 2004, 03:18:50 PM
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What is the best technique for most is NOT the best technique for all.
That is why I said:
You can take my observations or leave them, because no two bowlers bowl alike, but you are doing some of the things that I used to do and still do sometimes and when I did/do it costs me accuracy and leverage/revs.
quote:
I am not saying that at an early age you might not want to go to a locked elbow ala 95% of all bowlers....BUT opinions here are what you paid for 'em....worth nothing. The majority are NOT qualified coaches. Good bowlers yes.
Opinions on here are worth nothing, that's funny. If they are worth nothing why do you come here? Granted I am not a certified coach but I can still spot things that are considered by many to be bad in a bowlers form. What makes a good coach is one that can spot flaws and give tips to remedy the flaws. I didn't see where anyone said how to solve the flaws so I don't think any of us are trying to be his coach, only trying to give sound advice and I don't think that you basically telling him to ignore our advice is sound advice.
*Rant mode off*
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Post by: intergalactic on October 25, 2004, 03:30:52 PM
How does my timing look? When I was bowling yaba a guy came up to me and told me my timing was bad then my coach said my timing is fine what do you guys think?
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In reverence before the fight
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One will stand and
One will fall
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Post by: Re-Evolution on October 25, 2004, 03:35:01 PM
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Post by: scotts33 on October 25, 2004, 04:21:40 PM
If you don't have good coaches that have open minds and can move you along.....find some in your area. Least that's what I would do.
Scott
Post by: intergalactic on October 25, 2004, 07:09:09 PM
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They stand beneath the blinding lights
The roar becomes a deafening silence
In reverence before the fight
One will live tonight
One will die tonight
One will stand and
One will fall
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Post by: rkaycom on October 25, 2004, 07:46:33 PM
What are you doing? He asked for are advice, we gave it and you tell him to take everything he hears with a grain of salt and to use Don Carter as an example, he bowled decades ago the games changed alot since then. Maybe you should give him your advice instead of degrading ours...
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"Hook Isn't The Key, A Repeatable Consistent Shot Is"
"Increase Your Knowledge, Increase Your Score"
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Post by: scotts33 on October 25, 2004, 10:05:59 PM
As far as Don Carter as a role model. What I am saying here if one has a particular what most of you guys would term a flaw but is peculiar to that bowler it might be wise before you change his total game around to see if that peculiarlarity might do him well. Trying to change everybody into the SAME model is not for all. Have an open mind people...sheesh! Please read the paragraph John Jowdy wrote on page #10 in this month's Oct. BTM. I won't quote the whole article Mr. Jowdy wrote but here's how he starts the paragraph on page #10 I refer to "Unfortunately, some instructor's steadfastly go by the book and fail to recognize the success of bowlers who apply unusual methods of execution" Mr. Jowdy goes on please refer to this if you fail to understand what I tried to explain here.
intergalactic--If I were you and you are not getting good coaching and want more either seek a program where you feel you will get more of what you need or seek individualized coaching from a qualified coach. Be armed with questions about specifically if you need to lock your elbow or if a coach feels you can progress with a bent arm technique. I will tell you there are many bent arm technique modern players. True it is an older style but both Don Carter and Earl Anthony two of the best the game has ever produced both used that technique.
Wish you luck!
Scott
Post by: nd300 on October 25, 2004, 10:18:44 PM
I won't make any suggestions because I'm NOT a certified coach and don't want to lead you down a path that might be wrong. I would suggest to keep practicing the basics and go from there.
Good luck and high scores.............
P.S. Keep us posted.
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