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dmonroe814

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Home Pro Shop Owners - Who is your supplier
« on: November 28, 2014, 12:05:59 PM »
Our pro shop lost its lease due to the Bowlmor/AMF corporate decision.  I bought one of his Drills and am going to drill out of my garage.  Classic will not sell to me because I am not in a brick and mortar pro shop.  Who do you order from and what kind of a discount can I get.  Buddies and some of the other shops sell balls at the same price that we sold in the shop, so I can't give any of my customers a break on the balls.  Any suggestions?
14lb 15.5 mph at pins 325 Revs. Silver Coach, Ball Driller. In Bag:  Storm Pro-Motion, Hyroad X, Matchup, Code Red.

 

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« Reply #16 on: December 02, 2014, 08:13:42 PM »
Will not disagree with that statement one bit....
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Re: Home Pro Shop Owners - Who is your supplier
« Reply #17 on: December 02, 2014, 09:13:22 PM »
Price is all relative to operating costs. People still want a high performance ball for 180-200 out the door with grips and slug, after "consulting" with their pro shop guy for hours/days/weeks leading up to their purchase for the poor ball driller to spend 1-1 1/2 hours laying out your ball, bantering with you, answering your questions about what is coming out next, then giving you the 10-15% discount you begged for because "I'll send you some business" ....leaving him with about $40 profit on that ball he sold you.

/endrunonsentence

That's why good shops and good people have left this industry behind.  You can make more money as a shift manager at Target and not have to put in 70-80 hours a week just to pay your shop rent, bills, and expenses in your personal life.  Not to mention the disloyalty of customers/bowlers just because the guy across town "ran a great special".

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Re: Home Pro Shop Owners - Who is your supplier
« Reply #18 on: December 02, 2014, 09:16:13 PM »
I recently defected from a traditional brick and mortar pro shop, go my own way, and pursue an additional career outside of retail bowling products. I did, however, still enjoy providing pro shop services to those in our bowling community and (then) wanted to continue at a smaller scale.

Operating as a traditional brick and mortar shop was never an option, as the rental market in our area is approximately $2.50-$3.00 per square foot, while there is about one bowling center per 300,000 people in this market. The options for me to run a traditional brick and mortar shop were either expensive or unavailable. I then came with the idea to try the business out of my garage, as individuals in other industries frequently do. I was thinking like how an independent Avon Skin Care sales rep would work.

After first working diligently to obtain various tax licenses and city permits, I approached a number of distributors to receive services and was turned away, despite the fact there are other individuals operating in their homes, with active distributor accounts. At first, this frustrated me dearly, but later realized that the outcomes have been favorable to me.

Despite my inability to secure a distributor account and unable to start operating my business, not having to commit to large amounts of stock has been advantageous to me. Now, "customers" bring balls to me from online, and have been savvy enough to purchase their own accessories, or "buy" some from my personal stash. The result is minimal overhead, while I have fun providing high quality services to people from near and far. Additionally, there is zero pressure for me to push product, especially during the slow months and the decline in league activity in the industry.

I'm lucky, though. I do not have to rely on bowling retail sales for my livelihood.

In essence, my advice to those who are defecting, or have been forced out, of the traditional brick and mortar business model is, "Your professionalism, craftsmanship, and people skills will speak for itself."

If your craftsmanship lacks value, while having less than ideal people skills, it doesn't matter if you are in a traditional brick and mortar shop or drilling out of your own basement. People, especially bowlers, will find other ways to find service and products that fit their needs.

Happy holidays and happy new year to all!
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« Reply #19 on: December 02, 2014, 09:23:11 PM »
I was in business in the late 90's and was then director of pro shop operations for Coast in Vegas....we were buying bowling balls for abt 20% or so for less and selling them for under $200..,.shops are still selling at these prices...does this look like a good business model?
Bowling ball prices have not increased accordingly and bowlers refusing to pay for quality service astounds me...quality service should be able to sell high performance products for $250 plus inserts, etc....
Get quality fitting in golf and it's $50-100 per fitting....
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« Reply #20 on: December 02, 2014, 10:19:24 PM »
The biggest problem I see is that many bowling centers are closing.  If the pro shop operator wants to stay in business he has to either rent a stand a lone space or do it out of his home. Other centers in the area usually have a working pro shop. Stand a lone space is very expensive and the walk in traffic is just not there.  Home shops make sense.  As long as you get the proper licensing and do not solicit business in bowling centers that have pro shops, you should have no problems.

Distributors need to understand that times are changing.  What use to be just isn't anymore. Online shops have taken away a lot of business and bowlers are leaving the sport every year.  Good example is shoes.  Pro shop guys check your price from your distributor for a pair of Dexter SSt8's and then check the online price. The pro shop business is changing.  Distributors are also going out of business.  Here is the Northeast, we lost 2 distributors in the last 6 years.  If they want to stay in business, they will have to eventually deal with the Home "Legal" Pro Shop because more of them are opening up then the ones in Bowling Centers.

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Re: Home Pro Shop Owners - Who is your supplier
« Reply #21 on: December 03, 2014, 12:12:23 AM »
Stan:

I agree with the idea that the landscape of bowling retail business has changed. I doubt business practices, however, will ever favor of the brick and mortar and non-traditional home shops.

I doubt distributors would be willing to take on new, non-traditional pro shop accounts anytime soon, unless someone has an "in." This practice will continue because it is likely those "online balls" are supplied by the same distributor that supplies the local brick and mortar shop, often with "varying pricing tiers." In the end, the "tallies" are still the same, early in the supply chain.

On the other hand, I need to recognize the risks the online retailers have to go through. For those guys to be profitable, they would have to buy enormous amounts of stock to "earn" the further-discounted wholesale prices, and sell at those floor prices. Basically they'd have to buy a lot of product, and sell it at very low profit margins. To me, I am not willing to take that risk. So, kudos to those websites that are able to drive profits.

With all of that known, if I were in a brick and mortar shop, I have to go through the trouble of stocking a high performance ball, sometimes at higher costs than internet retailers, hope to sell it for $240 (if you're lucky), leaving me with about $80 bucks before further overhead costs. After paying rent, etc, probably about $40 of it is real income. Happy distributor, happy customer, and sad pro shop operator.

Again, I got tired of going through this kind of trouble, so I "came up" with a different way. I took my practice to my own home, while taking out some of the expenses and risks involved with retail. Now, with nearly zero investment on balls and accessories, I make straight $50-60 when I fit and drill a ball that was sold by an online retailer. Happy distributor, happy bowler, ball driller can buy lunch. No stress.
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Re: Home Pro Shop Owners - Who is your supplier
« Reply #22 on: December 03, 2014, 10:31:05 AM »
Oh and BTW...

Record sales on Wednesday, the day before Thanksgiving... :D

Record sales on Friday, the day after...known as Black Friday... ;D :D

Record sales on Saturday, known as small business day... ;D :D


I guess all the garage guys took the weekend off... ;D :D


You guys crack me up...


I especially love the guys who post..."went to a pro shop, span was 6 feet off"

"But my guy did it for $25 with slugs and inserts and lunch and a car wash by his
daughter"...


I must be lucky....I have BOWLERS for customers...


NOT CRY BABIES...


NOTHING BUT A BUNCH OF KEYBOARD POUNDERS...POUNDING THEIR KEYBOARDS WHILE AT WORK...


OH AND BTW...There are about 10 pro shops within 30 miles from me...

and a lot of garages... ;D :D


now trying doing some work while at work, for a change...

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Re: Home Pro Shop Owners - Who is your supplier
« Reply #23 on: December 03, 2014, 12:03:00 PM »
JLS do you think like Obama that the fishbowl you are in represents what everyone else is seeing? No doubt there are great proshops out there and because of that get and keep great customers but to say that is the norm anymore is wishful thinking. I also don't think every market is like mine where your number of good shops or drillers are slim to none. I do know there's enough that price and experiences push people to look elsewhere.

You saying you have bowlers as customers and not cry babies is also funny. As soon as you walk into any bowling alley you have cry babies. I thought you were better then that. Next you are going to tell bowlers if they like their health insurance they can keep it.
…… you can't  add a physics term to a bowling term and expect it to mean something.

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« Reply #24 on: December 03, 2014, 01:05:35 PM »
kID2000...My remarks were not AIMED at you...For I know your a bowler...

They were meant for the people who come on this site and bash pro shops 24/7...

And they always claim that they can not find a pro shop that knows what they are
doing...REALLY NOW...

But some guy in his PJ's working out of his garage in the worlds best...


THAT KID2000 is total BS....Much like what you said about Obama and health
insurance... ;D


It gets a little old hearing the same crock in every thread on this side...


Oh and BTW...I have nothing against garage/basement ball drillers...In fact on many occasions they have come to me for balls...And I sell them to them...

I can't be worried about every shop or garage...

I just worry about what I'm doing...and MY customers... :D ;)


it is good to see that Dist. are not selling to them...unless tham are B & M...

But seriously...All they have to do is order online from Buddies..or Bowl.com...

If they pay 160.00 for a ball...they should be able to sell it for about 200...

Maybe even more...Since they are SO GOOD... ;D :D


Now that's some funny stuff...


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Re: Home Pro Shop Owners - Who is your supplier
« Reply #25 on: December 03, 2014, 01:18:21 PM »
dmonroe814, I think your post was hijacked.  Nobody appears to have answered your question. 

I think you have a few options.  One would be to get a tax ID and set up a small business.  Easy to do and this would allow you to order from Lomar or even Classic.  You may have to explain your situation.

Otherwise, you can comb all the bowling websites for deals, including eBay.  Charge bowlers for the drilling and accessories.

www.easy-strike.com is a good place to get slugs and plug. 

Everybody arguing over brick & mortar vs. garage is a waste of time.  The market has changed from the early '90s.  The internet has changed business for all markets. 

JustRico, I have to disagree with you on a high performance ball today being worth $250 with inserts and drilling.  Ball technology hasn't changed since the mid 90's.  You've said that.  They just keep recycling the same stuff and the manufacturers put new balls out every other week.  Brunswick alone (Not Radical or DV8) has but out 10 performance balls in 2014 with an additional 8 overseas.  You can't justify higher prices when ALL the manufacturers are flooding the market.  That's a different argument not for this thread.  Sorry.

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« Reply #26 on: December 03, 2014, 01:47:41 PM »
The op got some of those suggestions on the first page. I do also agree with the number of balls being released has an affect on how much you can try to sell a ball for. When you know a replacement is going to be posted 7-8 weeks after release thats not a good window to have before clearencing out for new stock.


JLS  didn't think you were talking to me or anyone specific just in general. Seen you are scarce in the bowling talk these days if i can throw an Obama reference in at you i will. Was hoping to get Tiger in as well but couldnt. Bowlers of all levels are fickle and whiney. I have no desire to deal with them is customer service if i dont have to. I started my home setup with my brother because of his proshop experience combined with the prices available online it was a no brainer. We have both learned a ton and its been a great experience.

We live in an area where finding a good driller is very hard. Shops train in house new employees and when the person training knows very little you keep getting a copy of that to do the same again later. Luckily its not my issue. For many others out there I do think it is real. Not all that post on here but certainly some. Yes many distributors sell to home shops. We all know this. We all know what MAP pricing is and how all of these online shops are selling below what are distributors are charging. That's hard to swallow when ball companies say they support brick and mortar shops
…… you can't  add a physics term to a bowling term and expect it to mean something.

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« Reply #27 on: December 03, 2014, 02:18:27 PM »
My reference is based on cost of product and running a BUSINESS not in regards to the actual quality of the product...
Here in lies the products...bowlers assume the smarter or better they are they deserve some special treat,ent that allows them service from individuals such as myself, for basically free when I've spent a LOT of years learning what I know which, btw is more than prolly 99% in this industry...
Someone such as JLS that has been in business deserves getting paid for his services and knowledge...
I'm sorry, as stated some of this s**t gets olde...
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« Reply #28 on: December 03, 2014, 02:43:28 PM »
My reference is based on cost of product and running a BUSINESS not in regards to the actual quality of the product...
Here in lies the products...bowlers assume the smarter or better they are they deserve some special treat,ent that allows them service from individuals such as myself, for basically free when I've spent a LOT of years learning what I know which, btw is more than prolly 99% in this industry...
Someone such as JLS that has been in business deserves getting paid for his services and knowledge...
I'm sorry, as stated some of this s**t gets olde...
Just Rico....Yes indeed...it gets old...But we live in a different world...People
know their prices...And if a pro shop is selling a ball for way too much...No matter how
good he thinks he is...he will have trouble selling at those high prices...

We try to keep our prices in line with online dealers...factoring  in the drilling charge...

And like I said...I can't worry about garage/basement ball drillers anymore than in the
old days worrying about K-Mart or Sportmart selling bowling balls...

It is what it is...


Thanks for the kind words...

Kid2000...You're right...I don't post here to often...Bring in Tiger...that's some funny stuff...

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Re: Home Pro Shop Owners - Who is your supplier
« Reply #29 on: December 03, 2014, 02:47:00 PM »
Agreed you have to set your prices based upon your environment as well as what you need to stay in business...but your services are worth something, generally more than most...
More times than not, quality pro shop operators are under paid due to 'bad' operators giving it away...
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« Reply #30 on: December 03, 2014, 02:55:58 PM »
Agreed you have to set your prices based upon your environment as well as what you need to stay in business...but your services are worth something, generally more than most...
More times than not, quality pro shop operators are under paid due to 'bad' operators giving it away...
That is true...It's a fact of life NOW...