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machine35

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household products
« on: January 26, 2015, 06:50:36 PM »
I just bought two bowling balls from the thrift store and i was wondering was the best household product i can use to restore it or just make it clean as new?
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Re: household products
« Reply #16 on: January 29, 2015, 10:09:55 AM »
machine35:

Simple green and alcohol, I've used before and thought it did ok. Two household items you may already have. If not you can get and use around the house.

My preference is simple green and the "wintergreen" rubbing alcohol. It gives a fresh smell as you are applying it that I enjoy better than high octane rubbing alcohol. I have my concoction in a bottle that once housed "foaming" ball cleaner, and this mixture does foam with it. More simple green, the more foam from my observations.

I feel that the more alcohol works better, but that is my opinion, (not scientific fact). If you go this route, play with the mixes, and go with what you feel is best.
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Re: household products
« Reply #17 on: January 29, 2015, 10:31:30 AM »
Sir...This products the are talking about will indeed clean the surface of a ball...

HOWEVER....if you are using your ball POLISHED...Due to certain lane conditions...
Using those products will STRIP OFF the POLISH...and cause your ball to roll early
and loose back end...

If using a polished ball...I would use a REAL BALL CLEANER that is made to work
with POLISH...

That may cost about 7.95 to 10.95 a bottle...

But even alcohol is more expensive today...I haven't seen any 79 cent alcohol in a long time... ;D   not even at Wal Mart... :D ;D




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Re: household products
« Reply #18 on: January 29, 2015, 11:55:25 AM »
The majority of all polishes are just liquid abrasives, it's not like putting a coat of wax on a car your not going to strip the polish off.

Ball took to 1500 and polished with Royal compound then Royal shine. Then cleaned with alcohol. The alcohol didn't dull the ball or remove the "polish".




Now if it was one with a slip agent in it, that would be different.
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Re: household products
« Reply #19 on: January 29, 2015, 12:47:29 PM »
I disagree. ..you take a polished ball and clean it with alcohol...it will indeed reduce the length and back end...it will take the gloss polish look and dull it down...this is something we do daily...now if you are a pro shop and want to do this to your customers ball's. ..go right ahead...but we DONT...Now are we clear [
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Re: household products
« Reply #20 on: January 29, 2015, 01:17:49 PM »
Quote from: jls on January 29, 2015, 10:31:30 AM
Sir...This products the are talking about will indeed clean the surface of a ball...

HOWEVER....if you are using your ball POLISHED...Due to certain lane conditions...
Using those products will STRIP OFF the POLISH...and cause your ball to roll early
and loose back end...


You can't "strip off" polish from a ball. That implies that "polish" is layer on top of the surface of the ball. Polish is not a coating, like varnish or paint. "Polish" is a way to finish the surface. It makes it a finer and finer grit level. It usualy takes around 5000 grit for a ball's surface to begin to reflect light, to shine; so that it looks like what we call "polished".

The only time we can "strip off" the shine ona ball is when its an "oil shine" caused by oil lying in the pores and reflecting light that makes it look like it is polished. In that case, once it gets dull looking, you removed the oil, NOT a coat of polish.
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Re: household products
« Reply #21 on: January 29, 2015, 01:47:13 PM »
If you have a polished ball..and clean half of it with alcohol...that side will be duller than the other side...and  a duller ball will roll up earlier on drier lanes...therefore the effects of polishing a ball have been greatly reduced...day in and day out we get farmers who complain that there ball hooks too soon...and they can't keep the ball off the nose...most if not all of them use alcohol..
Once will teach them how to use polish and properly clean their balls...their averages go up...now you can go clean your ball any way you want...here...in the big city with the tall buildings...we do it right...still clear

btw...a Farmer is a keyboard pounder who likes to come on this site and play
Mr. Bowling expert....while at work...
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Re: household products
« Reply #22 on: January 29, 2015, 02:17:46 PM »
"It usualy takes around 5000 grit for a ball's surface to begin to reflect light, to shine; so that it looks like what we call "polished".

Sir...I guess you have never seen a 1500 polished Hyper Cell Skid...or a Optimus...

They are extremely high gloss looking...

And they are only at 1500 polish...not 2500 nor 5000...

We adjust covers for BOWLERS daily...When someone comes in and needs MORE
LENGTH...we adjust the cover accordingly....

If they need less length...the same...

And we never ever recommend using alcohol on a 200.00 plus bowling ball...

Would you clean your car with alcohol...try it...see what it does to your paint job...


Applying polish will increase the length and back end on a ball...especially on today's drier lane conditions....

And it makes ZERO sense to polish a ball....and then use alcohol to clean it...


ONCE AGAIN... THAT WILL INDEED REMOVE OR STRIP THE POLISH OFF SAID BALL....


Even people in Mayberry know that... ;D


now I'm done talking to you...

you go ahead and clean you balls anyway you want...

I could care less...


now


once again


are we clear



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Oh and BTW....using good ball cleaners will greatly ENHANCE the LIFE of ones
ball...

Using alcohol on a 200.00 ball...And then they complain that the cover died after 50 games...


unbelievable...

people still using DIAL UP.... ;D
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Re: household products
« Reply #23 on: January 29, 2015, 02:32:07 PM »
Quote from: jls on January 29, 2015, 02:17:46 PM
"It usualy takes around 5000 grit for a ball's surface to begin to reflect light, to shine; so that it looks like what we call "polished".

Sir...I guess you have never seen a 1500 polished Hyper Cell Skid...or a Optimus...

They are extremely high gloss looking...

And they are only at 1500 polish...not 2500 nor 5000...

We adjust covers for BOWLERS daily...When someone comes in and needs MORE
LENGTH...we adjust the cover accordingly....

If they need less length...the same...

And we never ever recommend using alcohol on a 200.00 plus bowling ball...

Would you clean your car with alcohol...try it...see what it does to your paint job...


Applying polish will increase the length and back end on a ball...especially on today's drier lane conditions....

And it makes ZERO sense to polish a ball....and then use alcohol to clean it...


ONCE AGAIN... THAT WILL INDEED REMOVE OR STRIP THE POLISH OFF SAID BALL....


Even people in Mayberry know that... ;D


now I'm done talking to you...

you go ahead and clean you balls anyway you want...

I could care less...


now


once again


are we clear



know it all's   

Oh and BTW....using good ball cleaners will greatly ENHANCE the LIFE of ones
ball...

Using alcohol on a 200.00 ball...And then they complain that the cover died after 50 games...


unbelievable...

people still using DIAL UP.... ;D


Is it your expert opinion that the surface of that 1500 polished Hyper Cell Skid is at 1500?

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Re: household products
« Reply #24 on: January 29, 2015, 02:40:16 PM »
Quote from: jls on January 29, 2015, 02:17:46 PM
"It usualy takes around 5000 grit for a ball's surface to begin to reflect light, to shine; so that it looks like what we call "polished".

Sir...I guess you have never seen a 1500 polished Hyper Cell Skid...or a Optimus...

1500 grit is not the final grit level. That's where it starts BEFORE they apply polish.

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We adjust covers for BOWLERS daily...When someone comes in and needs MORE
LENGTH...we adjust the cover accordingly....

If they need less length...the same...

And we never ever recommend using alcohol on a 200.00 plus bowling ball...

Would you clean your car with alcohol...try it...see what it does to your paint job...

Paint is not reactive urethane, aka resin. So your analogy does not apply.

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Applying polish will increase the length and back end on a ball...especially on today's drier lane conditions....

And it makes ZERO sense to polish a ball....and then use alcohol to clean it...

Alcohol is irrelevant to our "discussion". I never mentioned.
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ONCE AGAIN... THAT WILL INDEED REMOVE OR STRIP THE POLISH OFF SAID BALL....


Even people in Mayberry know that... ;D

I guess you're not from Mayberry.

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now I'm done talking to you...

you go ahead and clean you balls anyway you want...

I could care less...

now

once again

are we clear

know it all's   

yes, I am clear that you believe in "Ignorance is bliss".
Now, I am done talking with you, since you don't listen in any case.
Please return to the Non-Bowling Miscellaneous section.
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« Reply #25 on: January 29, 2015, 03:01:12 PM »
According to Storm...the ball is sanded to 4000 grit and then polished with 1500 grit polish..  all one has to do is call them...and the real experts will tell you...but you have a following...cause they think you know best...but I know better...

Note...sanded to 4000 pad then polished...
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Re: household products
« Reply #26 on: January 29, 2015, 03:20:28 PM »
Quote from: jls on January 29, 2015, 03:01:12 PM
According to Storm...the ball is sanded to 1500 grit and then polished with 1500 grit polish..  all one has to do is call them...and the real experts will tell you...but you have a following...cause they think you know best...but I know better...

Of course, you do.
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Re: household products
« Reply #27 on: January 29, 2015, 03:23:33 PM »
Mi 2 az....According to Storm... the ball has STEP TWO POLISH on it...

And step two ranges from 1500-2500...

Now it was their description that said 1500 grit polished...Not mine...

The ball is sanded from 500 to 4000...and then finished with Step Two Polish...



Again...all one has to do is simply call Storm...
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« Reply #28 on: January 29, 2015, 03:32:38 PM »
"1500 grit is not the final grit level. That's where it starts BEFORE they apply polish."


NO CHARLIE...according to the Storm Tech...at the factory...It is sanded to 4000 and then polish is applied...Step two...polish...which ranges from 1500-2500...


The way they word it can be confusing...they say 1500 polish...<<<I guess they never heard of YOU....And we all know...you think you know best... ;D :D


The point here was and is...

ALCOHOL is not good on a polished ball...It will indeed remove the level of polish...and that will cause the ball to roll early...And the whole purpose of using polish is to get a later roll....especially on lighter oil patterns...


AND ONE MORE THING CHARLIE....YOU DON'T OWN THIS SITE...SO DON'T GO TELLING ME WHERE TO POST...


now  again


are we clear


no one died and made you boss...
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Re: household products
« Reply #29 on: January 29, 2015, 06:32:49 PM »
Quote from: jls on January 29, 2015, 03:32:38 PM
"1500 grit is not the final grit level. That's where it starts BEFORE they apply polish."


NO CHARLIE...according to the Storm Tech...at the factory...It is sanded to 4000 and then polish is applied...Step two...polish...which ranges from 1500-2500...


The way they word it can be confusing...they say 1500 polish...<<<I guess they never heard of YOU....And we all know...you think you know best... ;D :D


The 4000 grit your referring to is in the FEPA "P" scale, which is 1500 grit in the US ANSI scale. So the ball is starting at a 1500 grit surface before the polish is applied.

Once the Step two is used the final grit on the surface is higher than 1500 grit.


Also
Storm Step Two is 320/1500 not 1500/2500

Storm Step Three is 1500/2500

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« Reply #30 on: January 29, 2015, 07:14:53 PM »
For those of you debating with jls keep something in mind.  This is the brainiac that argued with me a few years ago about the Ebonite/internet house account situation, telling me how it all worked, while I had the certified letter from Ebonite on my desk next to me while I was posting from my office at Bowlers Paradise.
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