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morpheus

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How to fix bowling by Brian Voss
« on: February 17, 2016, 06:02:32 PM »
This seems to be stirring some conversation on social media...not saying I agree with all these points but I respect his perspective.

https://www.11thframe.com/news/article/8199
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Re: How to fix bowling by Brian Voss
« Reply #76 on: February 23, 2016, 07:32:05 AM »
There is no way the USBC could of stopped the BPAA from applying and perfecting the THS. Think about it. What a concept! Adjust the oil in you center. Your customers start striking more, think they are better, therefore are happy, and return to your business again and again.
Talkin' Trash!

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Re: How to fix bowling by Brian Voss
« Reply #77 on: February 23, 2016, 08:32:47 AM »
Trash Heap:

Yes. That is exactly what happened. When the lane dressing rules were relaxed
after 1977, the bowling center I worked at initially refused to go with the changes.
That did not last very long as our league bowlers were watching the scores of bowlers in
surrounding centers exploded, and wondering what the heck was happening. Most league bowlers were unaware that the ABC had relaxed the rules--- that the "lid" was now off. It literally happened overnight. It forced our center to go along with the relaxed rules which placated both, our leagues and the proprietor's cash register.

There are certain events that occur where we will never forget when they took place.
The year 1977 was one of those years for me. That was the year that marked a sea change in the scoring environment. I remember Bill Taylor going berserk over the
rule change. He launched a crusade in staunch opposition and along the way garnered both his share of supporters and detractors. Today, the argument has not died down.

But make no mistake. Before 1977, a 200 average was reserved for only the very best
bowlers--and they were very few.  Beginning in 1978, all of that changed quite dramatically, thanks not to superior bowling balls, but largely thanks to the lane dressing rules change by the ABC at that time.



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Re: How to fix bowling by Brian Voss
« Reply #78 on: February 23, 2016, 09:46:44 AM »
Scoring was tanking in the mid 70's due to the inability of bowlers to deal with the much harder lane finishes that had replaced lacquer.  Oil carried down instead of tracking.  Wide scale lane blocking became the best available answer, but the soft polyester balls upped carry substantially on the blocked lanes.

I got out of college in 1971.  I joined the best scratch league in town and my average hovered right around 200 for 3 years using a hard rubber ball.  In the summer of 1974 I purchased a Columbia white dot.  That fall season I averaged 214.  During that same season there were 6 800 series shot in our association.  All with white dots and Shore D.  Prior to that there had been 2 800's shot in the history of the association. 

The shot to the pocket on blocked urethane was no easier than it had been 6 years earlier on lacquer, but the soft balls exploited the friction more readily.  In addition, the increased friction spawned the first generation of power players who were able to use their higher rev rates to carry even better. 

Attempts to control scoring through lane conditions ( Amendment 4 )  were always doomed to fail because it was accomplished by mandating flat oil ( we would call it a US Open condition today ) for leagues.  The subsequent rule that replaced it totally backfired because it allowed blocking for 24 feet, setting up all the friction needed by power players 
 

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Re: How to fix bowling by Brian Voss
« Reply #79 on: February 23, 2016, 01:50:25 PM »
I agree with Voss on the no-thumb and two-handed style.  It gives the player an advantage over the field.  It is the same as anchored putting in golf.  The PGA banned it for the benefit of the game.  The USBC needs to do the same.  Bowling is on its last legs as a sport.  They should do everything to save it.

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Re: How to fix bowling by Brian Voss
« Reply #80 on: February 23, 2016, 02:29:47 PM »
Totally agree!

I agree with Voss on the no-thumb and two-handed style.  It gives the player an advantage over the field.  It is the same as anchored putting in golf.  The PGA banned it for the benefit of the game.  The USBC needs to do the same.  Bowling is on its last legs as a sport.  They should do everything to save it.

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Re: How to fix bowling by Brian Voss
« Reply #81 on: February 23, 2016, 02:54:10 PM »
i have seen and bowled against some 2 handed bowlers in my area and they have no advantage.  They still need to hit their marks and throw good shots like the rest of us. 
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Re: How to fix bowling by Brian Voss
« Reply #82 on: February 23, 2016, 03:04:23 PM »
A medium bucket of range balls costs about the same as 3 games of open bowling assuming you can catch a day time special @ $2 a game

Bowling isn't expensive compared to other sports.

Look at the cost of a baseball bat, glove, bag and cleats.

Basketball shoes alone can run you a lot of money.

Golf same way, Clubs, bag, shoes, accessories.

Any sport you can spend as little or as much as you want. You could bowl your entire life with out a high performance bowling ball and be successful. You buy it because you believe it has to make a DIFFerence.

One thing all these sports have over bowling. You can practice without any cost. Golf might have a little bit of cost (driving range), but no where near as much as bowling.

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Re: How to fix bowling by Brian Voss
« Reply #83 on: February 23, 2016, 03:14:06 PM »
So the game doesn't turn into a 4 hr home run derby.

Hate to use a comparison to another sport but here it goes:

What is the main reason that Major League Baseball prohibit the use of metal bats?

 



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Re: How to fix bowling by Brian Voss
« Reply #84 on: February 23, 2016, 05:22:06 PM »
If no thumb is an advantage why don't we all do it.

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Re: How to fix bowling by Brian Voss
« Reply #85 on: February 23, 2016, 05:39:16 PM »
I personally don't have a problem with the two-handed style or the one handed, no thumb.  I think it bring a mix to bowling that makes it exciting to watch.
However, I have noticed from a viewing standpoint with the traditional style I watch to see a strike and with the two-handed style, I watch to see a miss.

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Re: How to fix bowling by Brian Voss
« Reply #86 on: February 23, 2016, 07:40:21 PM »
If no thumb is an advantage why don't we all do it.
Because we all do not have the physical makeup to do it .... just like anchored putting.  If you can do it, it is an unfair advantage.

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Re: How to fix bowling by Brian Voss
« Reply #87 on: February 23, 2016, 07:44:47 PM »
In regards to the past (pre-1977), the ABC was quite strict about lane conditioning.
In those days stacking oil in the middle of the lane (blocking/crowning) was illegal.
In fact, many of you who were around prior to 1977 can surely remember how many times the ABC had rejected "honor" scores, because of lane blocking.

Granted, the ABC
didn't have the technology that the USBC has today in measuring the lateral distribution of oil on the lane. Instead, they mostly relied on the old "finger test" .
It really wasn't until the ABC dramatically eased the rules that lane blocking/crowning
became the "norm", at least as far as what we  refer to as the typical house shot  today. The primary reason for the change was due to the fact that bowling proprietors were the ones getting the flak from their league bowlers when their honor scores were being rejected. The other reason being that back then, if a league bowler shot say, a 300, the lanes had to be shut down and the bowler's equipment was "confiscated" until an ABC inspector came to the site to verify if in fact, the score was bowled under the rules. This became somewhat of a logistical
problem for both, the ABC and the proprietor.

So with all due respect to those who believe that lane blocking/crowning was always
part of the game, I know from experience that it was not. Prior to 1977, it was much, much harder to get the ball to the pocket under the ABC's lane conditioning rules in effect at that time. The proof can also be found in the comparison of data as it relates to the number of honor scores bowled before and after 1977. Since then, there has been a dramatic increase. Some of it due to today's balls but a lot of it is also due to
the relaxation of the lane conditioning rules.

The "THS" was a whole different animal in those days. It was a lot tougher one.


I agree 100%.  I remember the local association coming to the center the night of, or morning after an honor score was shot to take a "tape" of the lane.  Yes, scores were rejected then for walled up / blocked shots.  Now the so-called THS is the illegal block shot from years ago.

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Re: How to fix bowling by Brian Voss
« Reply #88 on: February 24, 2016, 10:29:54 AM »
two handed delivery? how can this be physically possible?

It's not really 2 handed delivery, it's still 1 handed on the delivery part.
Right when the 2 handers is about to rev the ball they move the supporting hand away.
They use an extra hand to support the ball until it's at the part of the swing where you're supposed to rev the ball to get the best hook.

If they'd use the supporting hand to create extra rev with that too, then they'd break the fingers that are in the ball :P

This must not be as factual as the writer makes it sound. At the beginning, the USBC did not allow the off hand to be used for anything more than support. They now allow the off hand to impart rotation. In that scenario a two handed bowler does have an advantage over a conventional style bowler. When I watch the TV shows it sure looks like many are using the off hand to get more rotation and I haven't seen any broken body parts!! And, if you think about two-handers being allowed to do this, why is it still illegal for a bowler to use his opposite hand to convert certain spares?

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Re: How to fix bowling by Brian Voss
« Reply #89 on: February 24, 2016, 10:42:27 AM »
The lane conditioning rule that people are referring to was not introduced until 1975, and was still in place in 1982.  It was a bad rule because the technology, nor the knowledge existed to properly construct such a rule  It was also the rule that spawned the biggest mis carriage of justice most of us can think of in the rejection of Glenn Allisons 900 series. 

The ABC had no idea of the implications of the change from lacquer to urethane lane finish.  I learned on lacquer, and getting to the pocket was dead easy, partly because we didn't have the down lane friction between ball and lane surface.  Carry was usually more difficult for the same reason.  You couldn't just rev up a ball and find the friction to make it hook on the long oiled lacquer. 

When urethane lane finish came in, the oiling patterns used on lacquer produced   a mess.  Oil was pushed off the heads and moved down lane rather than tracking as it did on the softer lacquer.  The fist answer to this problem was to put more oil in the heads and strip the back ends more often.  This technique was combined with putting little or no oil outside to build a track that would not develop in and of itself.  Softer polyester balls reacted more strongly to the artificially created dry areas, allowing the development of the power player who could now rev up the ball and find more down lane friction. 

Lane blocking is as old as the game, but it became much more predominant with the introduction of urethane finish.  In addition the scoring disparity between blocked and non blocked lanes became much greater on urethane than it had been on lacquer as softer polyester balls were introduced. 

I remember bowling pot games ( really dating myself ) on lacquer in a house that was walled off the corner in 1967.  I was not a good corner shooter, but I could play the track at 15 board and compete with the house full roller guys who specialized in the corner shot.  5 of the 7 houses in my city employed lane conditioning methods to help scoring even prior to the switch to urethane in the early 70's. 

Another thing people don't understand is that the older soft lacquer finish did not reward the higher friction balls the way urethane could be made to.  The last ABC bowled on lacquer was the 1975 tournament in Dayton OH.  It was also my first ABC.  I shot a very respectable 1860 all events with my new carmel white dot.  I watched Bobby Meadows win all events throwing a black diamond.  Right beside him was a guy scoring almost as well using a super soft Shore D, playing about 3 boards deeper.

 

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Re: How to fix bowling by Brian Voss
« Reply #90 on: February 24, 2016, 11:00:18 AM »
avabob,

That was a beautifully written post that couldn't be more dead-on right. Many of the bowlers who wish for tougher lane conditions today, either weren't born yet or don't remember lacquer. There were often times when you bowling on it, you couldn't miss the pocket, but pin carry wasn't the same as today because the balls didn't deliver the punch of the ones today. I worked in bowling centers during that time and again you were spot on saying when urethane finishes hit the market, oiling the lanes the same, caused great amounts of carry-down and ungodly problems with getting balls to return. The bowling industry looking for a solution came up with shorter oil patterns. What that the answer? Probably not as we look back today, but it was all they could come up with at the time.