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General Category => Miscellaneous => Topic started by: earlyrolling on July 18, 2016, 01:45:33 PM
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Any thoughts on how to play the Statue of Liberty oil pattern?
http://patternlibrary.kegel.net/PatternLibraryPattern.aspx?ID=843
Format:
3 games of league
4-man team
Move a pair after each game
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Longer patterns force you to play closer to the pocket. Breakpoint should be around the 15 board give or take a few depending on lane surface and topography
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Played on this for our sport shot league this year. Will need something strong, obviously. But be mindful of your surface. To low of a grit and the ball can finish weak once there is some burn. If you need something rough to start out the night, be ready to change to something with a higher grit quickly.
We tried to burn a spot around 13 and play off of it. Was able to finally get some reaction and move in after about 6 total games on each lane. Unfortunately, I had at best a medium oil ball and had to make it work. Wasn't going to buy a new ball for 3 nights of bowling.
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One thing you might want to take into account is that this pattern was designed for the Flex oil machine. With 2 oil tanks and 2 different oils blended together. Without a flex machine and depending on the oil used it might play different than expected or different than other centers with different variables.
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this pattern in 47' and only 24mLs with 12 feet of only buff. people have the misconception that on long patterns you need strong balls with surface to get the ball to hook. this oil is not very heavy so i would look at a stronger core with a weaker cover. something like a snap lock (instead of a lock) a hyper cell skid or eternal cell instead of a hyper cell. optimus. hammer red legend pearl or GB2 hybrid. you dont need a ton of surface unless you are bowling on low friction surfaces or are speed dominant
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Sounds pretty similar to "Paris" from 2012 which was 47' and a light volume. I generally used a medium strength shiny ball (Nuts Pearl) and played a very small swing between the 3rd and 4th arrows. Anything too strong/too dull just chews up the head oil and makes he pattern tougher after the first game.
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Sounds pretty similar to "Paris" from 2012 which was 47' and a light volume. I generally used a medium strength shiny ball (Nuts Pearl) and played a very small swing between the 3rd and 4th arrows. Anything too strong/too dull just chews up the head oil and makes he pattern tougher after the first game.
That's definitely the comparison
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Sounds pretty similar to "Paris" from 2012 which was 47' and a light volume. I generally used a medium strength shiny ball (Nuts Pearl) and played a very small swing between the 3rd and 4th arrows. Anything too strong/too dull just chews up the head oil and makes he pattern tougher after the first game.
Yep!
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For whatever reason, this played significantly slicker than Paris for me at my center. Could be a case of not applying the shot in the manner intended.
I agree with the comment about too much surface messing with the head oil. But depending on the format, there may be a benefit to developing a spot early and migrating in early.
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For whatever reason, this played significantly slicker than Paris for me at my center. Could be a case of not applying the shot in the manner intended.
I agree with the comment about too much surface messing with the head oil. But depending on the format, there may be a benefit to developing a spot early and migrating in early.
Looking at the graphs - Paris is 21.55ML and SOL is 24.73ML - that's a fairly big jump. SOL, also looks like it's got more oil further down lane. SOL in theory, is going to play slicker - which is what you have indicated in your observation - so it does not surprise me that you needed more surface/stronger equipment for SOL than Paris.
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The key on all long patterns is getting comfortable going straighter instead of using surface to over power the pattern
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Thanks. I will try to keep these things in mind & report back here in a week or two.
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The key on all long patterns is getting comfortable going straighter instead of using surface to over power the pattern
In terms of this advice, at what point are surface adjustments being used to take over the pattern?
for example, in my sport league we played on Badger last year. 52' at 22 or 23 units of oil, IIRC.
you didn't see anyone using a shiny ball, you saw Locks and Nirvanas and Paradoxs and other similar balls. I used an OOB Lock. a friend used a lock at 2000, but his was always at 2k surface due to preference.
at want point in surface adjustments did someone go against this advice and try to over power the pattern with equipment and surface? 1k? 500? lower than 500?
I totally understand the issue with trying to combat more oil with more surface, I am just trying to understand the threshold at which I might have crossed that particular line.
Thanks
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The key on all long patterns is getting comfortable going straighter instead of using surface to over power the pattern
In terms of this advice, at what point are surface adjustments being used to take over the pattern?
for example, in my sport league we played on Badger last year. 52' at 22 or 23 units of oil, IIRC.
you didn't see anyone using a shiny ball, you saw Locks and Nirvanas and Paradoxs and other similar balls. I used an OOB Lock. a friend used a lock at 2000, but his was always at 2k surface due to preference.
at want point in surface adjustments did someone go against this advice and try to over power the pattern with equipment and surface? 1k? 500? lower than 500?
I totally understand the issue with trying to combat more oil with more surface, I am just trying to understand the threshold at which I might have crossed that particular line.
Thanks
Most bowlers play some level of swing on THS. There are those that can play either straight up the oil or the dry.
For sport shots, too many people try to play the same swing they would on THS. In theory, a bowler's initial intent is to play straight up the boards and adjust accordingly. When you go away from the pocket, you run the risk of not making it back due to the added oil in areas of the lane bowlers are used to seeing friction.
As for surface, for me it depends on the format. A lot of sport shot leagues have smaller teams leading to fewer games bowled on the shot. If the goal is to develop the shot in a manner to make it easier, then using lower grits on strong covers can do that. This can be done during practice and into the first game. Once there is a defined dry area developed, the going to equipment designed to take advantage of the dry can be used. Downside to trying to blow the pattern up early is you can run out of options at the end of the block making scoring difficult. Short format, I will try to blow it up. Long format, I may try to play it differently to prevent the scorched earth type heads.
All of this is usually done on the longer patterns. Not everyone has the ability to produce the type of roll that will be able to recover properly at the end of the pattern and score. They will usually need some help by developing the shot.
On patterns shorter than long, there should be plenty of dry at the end of the pattern where a ball with more typical surface grit can be used.
Here are fliers produced by Team USA years ago on what type of equipment and where to play for WTBA patterns:
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Can't track down the medium pattern one online.
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Can't track down the medium pattern one online.
Here you go:
TEAM USA LONG PATTERN FLIER
https://www.11thframe.com/PZN/richgels/blog/5317/TEAM USA LONG PATTERN FLIER WEB.pdf (https://www.11thframe.com/PZN/richgels/blog/5317/TEAM USA LONG PATTERN FLIER WEB.pdf)
TEAM USA MEDIUM PATTERN FLIER
https://www.11thframe.com/PZN/richgels/blog/5317/TEAM USA MEDIUM PATTERN FLIER WEB.pdf (https://www.11thframe.com/PZN/richgels/blog/5317/TEAM USA MEDIUM PATTERN FLIER WEB.pdf)
TEAM USA SHORT PATTERN FLIER
https://www.11thframe.com/PZN/richgels/blog/5317/TEAM USA SHORT PATTERN FLIER WEB.pdf (https://www.11thframe.com/PZN/richgels/blog/5317/TEAM USA SHORT PATTERN FLIER WEB.pdf)
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Really great analysis. I think the biggest issue I see with guys trying to burn a spot is that too many start too deep which leads to blowing up the shot too quickly. The oil can be your friend too if you understand how to play hold area. As an old low rev guy the highest scoring patterns for me have been the badger and Paris. Best balls for me on these patterns were lucid and paradox at 4000. Box condition mastermind and more recently lock got me to the pocket but carry was poorer because they burned up too much turning the corner.
The key is really roll pattern. Higher speed guys with high rev end over end can use more surface. If they have too much side roll it becomes much more difficult for them to find a match up no matter the surface prep
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The key on all long patterns is getting comfortable going straighter instead of using surface to over power the pattern
In terms of this advice, at what point are surface adjustments being used to take over the pattern?
for example, in my sport league we played on Badger last year. 52' at 22 or 23 units of oil, IIRC.
you didn't see anyone using a shiny ball, you saw Locks and Nirvanas and Paradoxs and other similar balls. I used an OOB Lock. a friend used a lock at 2000, but his was always at 2k surface due to preference.
at want point in surface adjustments did someone go against this advice and try to over power the pattern with equipment and surface? 1k? 500? lower than 500?
I totally understand the issue with trying to combat more oil with more surface, I am just trying to understand the threshold at which I might have crossed that particular line.
Thanks
If it was 22 or 23 mL you should have been able to use more medium type equipment. On the long but med/light volume patterns you want to avoid tearing up the head oil prematurely by using weaker equipment. My list has Badger at 30.15 mL which makes it quite a bit slicker. Long and heavy is where most everyone needs strong equipment with more surface.
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After further review, the shot we bowled on was Badger at 52 feet. That shot required something strong to get into any kind of roll.
At 47 feet you can get medium equipment to work assuming you have adequate revs. Low rev bowlers will probably need something stronger.
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Speed is bigger than revs on really long patterns. Some pros go back to 16 on badger. They lose both revs and speed by doing this but feel they get better ball reaction
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