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General Category => Miscellaneous => Topic started by: cryinryan on August 22, 2014, 06:35:04 PM
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has anyone dealt with Barry Winters in the Hudson Valley of NY-- I know that he is a PBA pro -- but looking for recommendations.
Also heard that Buddies in Fairfield Conn can't be beat-- both online and at their shop
All opinions are appreciated
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Phil Paterno is excellent he has a few shops throughout the hv. Jefferson valley wappingers and poughkeepsie.
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I was told that Phil doesn't really measure or determine your PAP and drills the same layout all the time-4X2X4--
Where Winters -- watches you bowl find your Axis and measure you PAP not sure if that matters much
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Buddies is a really good shop if you want to take the ride to Fairfield. They're very good to deal with online and in the shop.
As for the Hudson Valley shops you mentioned, I'll take the shop that watches you bowl, finds your axis and measures PAP every time over someone that just throws 4x2x4 on every ball. Everyone is going to be different and using 1 standard layout on every ball is not always going to help the individual. Even though the person that drills my stuff knows my game well, and has drilled my stuff for a few years now, she still wants to see me throw the ball just to check if anything has changed with the axis/PAP, etc.
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Hi Tommy
who do you go to? Are they local
Do you think there would be much difference between Buddies and the Guy in Lower Hudson who took the time to measure the PAP and find the CG, Axis Etc.
Prices are a little better at Buddy's -- but hour and half drive + gas makes the price about the same
I am never going to be a Pro Bowler and either is my son-- so debating on takeing that long ride for 2 pins on my average
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I'm 2.5hrs away I won't try to sell you, lol! But, going to a reputable shop that measures and watches you bowl is the key. I would suggest contacting Mike Luongo. He's a NorthEast sales rep for Storm. He also is an instructor of the innovative pro shop classes. He's a class act, very knowledgable and is a great coach too. He's located in Middletown as far as I know. You can email him via Storm's website. He or his son Mickey are really good.
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Thanks Tommy-- will do-- 2.5 ain't that far--LOL I drive 80 miles to work each way everyday!
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Well . . . I'm located in the Berkshires of MA
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Anyone that tells you he's going to use a 4 x 2 x 4 layout on your ball without knowing where your PAP is located is blowing smoke or, even worse, doesn't know better. -- JohnP
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Thank you-- that i why I started this thread-- the several proshops in my area have told me they cal tell the PAP by just looking at the ball-- which maybe true-- but they have no idea how I throw -- with the exception of one who spent and hour with me finding my gravity point-- even tok me down the lane to feel the oil-- heavy up front an tapered out at the end, then took me on the deck to show me why the right ball shoudl drive the 6 into the ten-- less chance of leaving or taping the 10 and then continue to power through to bury the 8 - leaving everything down.
I would go with him but he is a litle pricey and the Buddies Proshop 1 1/2 hours away has had amazing reviews-- bowlers from all over my region go there religiously
So do I amke the trip or stay home and go with the pro that took an hour+ to explain the science and reason to keep it simple stupid
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As a pro shop operator, this is the question that kills me. I make sure to watch the bowler's style, measure pap, tilt, rotation and rev rate. I talk to them about balls that would compliment what they have and their style. It's a passion for me, not a $$ maker. Buddies is great, no doubt. I work hard to stay competitive with their prices. It's hard because they aren't selling the balls for much more than Shops can get them from distributors. Even the most detailed shop can't make $$ selling this way. Buddies has volume and has cornered the internet market. So it's tough. I am always grateful to my loyal customers and always try to give a fair price to everyone. I toss in a free oil extraction and resurface to all of my customers that buy a new ball, not just regulars. All of my customers work hard for their money and deserve 100% of my time and efforts. But, isn't the time and knowledge spent with a customer worth something? It's hard to put a number amount on it. It's a tough question for a bowler looking for a high quality pro shop. How much is too much?
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i used to live in Fairfield and had buddies do my stuff. both chris and tim are top notch and take as much time as needed with everyone whether youre a regular or come in every couple years. between their knowledge and customer service they cant be beat but im biased.
Rich Jacobson in White Plains bowl is also very good and knows his stuff. he is getting kicked out of his proshop by Bowlmor though in October so time is a factor there
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Hi Tommy
who do you go to? Are they local
Do you think there would be much difference between Buddies and the Guy in Lower Hudson who took the time to measure the PAP and find the CG, Axis Etc.
Prices are a little better at Buddy's -- but hour and half drive + gas makes the price about the same
I am never going to be a Pro Bowler and either is my son-- so debating on takeing that long ride for 2 pins on my average
I'm actually in the Buffalo area, so I go to Sue Jeziorski (runs Cutting Edge Pro Shop and The Edge Bowling Center, also a regional Radical staff member). I stuck with her after Bowlmor forced her out because she has a very good reputation around my area and has always done a great job on my stuff.
However, I have bought things from Buddies online before and have always had good experiences with them. They run a top notch shop/online store.
I have heard of Rich Jacobson and he is a solid choice. If you're closer to New Hyde Park, you can stop by Tommy DeLutz Jr's pro shop at Herrill Lanes. He's a guy that will take the time needed to make sure you're set up the right way.
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Thanks -- I am leaning towards taking the 1 1/2 trip to buddies-- think it might be a good road trip- takea half day off work and bring my son-- he starts High School in two weeks. So I mam going to buy him a ball.
He is throwing a cyclone and a WD for spares-- he just started so might bring him up to a nice mid level ball-- as a surprise! Becasue of all the people I spoke/read about no one has mentioned the Pro I went to and his prices are about 30+ tax more then what buddies quoated me on the Fusion--
That's my next Post -- what ball should I get my son-- only kidding-- I'll let the Pro's guide him!
have a great day
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So you are going to take a half day off of work, spend 3 hours driving and jam it to the guy that already spent an hour with you trying to earn your business over $30. I hope if you need the thumb hole worked out or want the surface adjusted that guy tells you to drive back to Buddies, but he's probably too nice to do that if he already spent an hour with you.
Gee, Chris and Tim are in for a real treat when you get there.
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Here is a perfect example of bowling having lost it's proverbial mind.
This guy just wants to buy a couple of good bowling balls, for himself and his son, that will work for them. Problem is, the current market is 10X over saturated with product, and lane conditions can differ FAR too much from place to place for ANYBODY here to be able to tell him what he needs.
Hundreds of different balls available, many of which are virtual clones of each other (whether people want to admit it or not), and a vastly under educated system of proshop operators out there who only want to sell you the newest, most expensive piece on the shelf, without being able to properly explain why you need that one.
When you need to be a rocket scientist, engineer, psychic, and swami, just to end up with a decent ball choice, you are discouraging far more people from getting into bowling than you realize.
Cryinryan, the truth is that, without a reputable and knowledgable proshop you can trust, that can watch you bowl, and spend the time it takes to make sure exactly what you need and why you need it, buying a new ball can be an exercise in futility.
In your instance, here is what I would tell you if we were friends. Taking 1/2 day off work and driving 3 hours is going to cost a lot more than the $30 difference in prices that you are looking at. If you are just in it for the fun, go to the local guy that will take the time to work with you, and let him put you in something that will perform more to your liking.
Now, understand that the world is full of opinions, and coming here to ask advice will get you as many different opinions of what to do as there are people giving the advice. My advice is no different than anyone else's, so take it for what it's worth.
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Thank you guys-- it's not about the $30 bucks that was a passing thought and a way to justify in my own mind making the trip, nothing more and since the pro was trying to sell me a BYTE, top of the line Storm, which is by most people's opinion overkill I though of this from another perspective.
Making it a day with my Son is what was important-- A nice ride, where we can talk and have a good meal- a surprise for him and something he would remember one day and maybe pass along to his children-- surprise themand spend time with them.
I used to go to my kids grammar schools and take them out for a half day to Chucky Cheese-- becasue parents don't often get enough time to spend with thier children -- So it had nothing to do with the $30.
Going through this process of learning and becoming in love with a game I once loved again is fun. But going through this process of deciding the right ball has been daunting at best and left a bad taste in my mouth dealing with the underlying false information and obvious selling based on a price point.
So yes -- I will spend 4-5 quaility hours with my son-- who in two years will not admit I am his father as he develops his own idenity and grows into a man -- more worried about girls then spending time with his father
"Its" -I will tell Tim and Chris you said hello -- thank you for your opinion and understanding of my intentions in life.
Thanks for the good info Jug
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Thank you guys-- it's not about the $30 bucks that was a passing thought and a way to justify in my own mind making the trip, nothing more and since the pro was trying to sell me a BYTE, top of the line Storm, which is by most people's opinion overkill I though of this from another perspective.
Making it a day with my Son is what was important-- A nice ride, where we can talk and have a good meal- a surprise for him and something he would remember one day and maybe pass along to his children-- surprise themand spend time with them.
I used to go to my kids grammar schools and take them out for a half day to Chucky Cheese-- becasue parents don't often get enough time to spend with thier children -- So it had nothing to do with the $30.
Going through this process of learning and becoming in love with a game I once loved again is fun. But going through this process of deciding the right ball has been daunting at best and left a bad taste in my mouth dealing with the underlying false information and obvious selling based on a price point.
So yes -- I will spend 4-5 quaility hours with my son-- who in two years will not admit I am his father as he develops his own idenity and grows into a man -- more worried about girls then spending time with his father
"Its" -I will tell Tim and Chris you said hello -- thank you for your opinion and understanding of my intentions in life.
Thanks for the good info Jug
Now, this reply gives me faith in people again. You obviously have your priorities in the correct order, and the 1/2 day spent with him will, undoubtedly, be more than worth it.
Good luck in your ball search, and don't let all the choices get you down, and always remember that bowling, first and foremost, is supposed to be fun.
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Thanks Jug-- I have a funny feeling I am going to get there spend a small fortune and love every minute of it when reality sets in and I wind up buying my son two balls and then one for me -- like an up roar for $100 buck. Hope my son likes McDonalds-- becasue thats all I can afford after buying these balls
Have a great day