Author Topic: I Dropped Out Of 2 Leagues (Read 10098 times)

bennett · « **on:** September 16, 2003, 07:17:08 PM »

I dropped out of 2 bowling leagues already. The reason: No oil laid down. Last month I spent good money on new bowling balls. Anxious to use them I joined 3 bowling leagues. To my disappointment I couldnâ€™t use any of these new balls due to the house not putting any oil down or a very light coat of oil. I was forced to use my plastic ball just to have a chance to get my ball to the one three pocket last night.

I have yet to hit my average in overall series. The mixed league is the only league so far with some oil down. Still, I couldnâ€™t believe the lack of oil in that league despite seeing the machine laying it down just before the league.

Is this a common trend in your area where centers are putting either no oil or little down? If so, then I wonâ€™t be bowling too much longer. I will just do open bowling from time to time for the fun of it. I refuse to pay $17/week for bone dry or even moderate dry conditions. This will kill the sport if this continues. Not everybody throws the ball 20 mph!!

tisker · « **Reply #31 on:** September 17, 2003, 02:56:54 PM »

Bennett, TLK,
I suggest you take on a new user ID and start your BR life over again. This one isn't working out for you.

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bennett · « **Reply #32 on:** September 17, 2003, 02:57:15 PM »

T-GOD,

There was a bowler that started that night. He hasn't bowled in years and he carried an average in the 160's when he bowled.

He didn't know how to bowl, throw a hook with hand or anything. He was falling off balance every shot. Guess what? He had chances to beat me some of my games. He was only about 50 or 60 pins below me in series.

My point is that these dry conditions can (not always, I have bowled well once in awhile on dry) negate the skill of a better bowler with hand and make the lower average bowler feel as though he is almost as good as you are. Oil will reward those with hand. Dry conditions can negate (but not always) the skill level of the higher average bowler.

Edited on 9/17/2003 3:07 PM

michelle · « **Reply #33 on:** September 17, 2003, 03:13:03 PM »

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Bennett,

looks like a thread gone angry. let's get back to a more positive note.

tell us your bowling specs:
speed
revs
axis
tilt
which hand
Average

also what balls do you have there layouts.

describe each league better. when are the oiled? how much play is on them? Surface. where do other people line up and what are they throwing.

Did I miss something or are we still looking for answers to these queries?

In addition, I am curious about whether the conditions are because of a lack of head oil or if the back ends are where the conditions are problematic.

Personally, I would question the puchase of so much new equipment unless bennett is bowling tourneys in multiple arenas...if only the league environment, then the purchase may not have been warranted. I just hope that bennett didn't have the driller max everything out.

T-GOD · « **Reply #34 on:** September 17, 2003, 03:18:35 PM »

Well maybe the whole league should quit. But that won't happen, because the proprietor is trying to please the masses. That's the problem.

The masses can't hook the ball or carry that well. So, they go buy the new Hook Monster Ball. The proprietor wants to help them even more by keeping the lanes dry. Now these mediocre bowlers can hook the ball and carry, and their average sky rockets.

What happens to the previous high average/good bowlers..? Their average goes down, because they learned to hook the ball and now all the balls hook too much.

So now what happens is that the previous good bowlers quit. Now you have a whole new group of good bowlers. Pretty soon, it starts all over again and the top bowlers quit. This is why bowling is going downhill.

Can't you guys see this cycle as it happens..? =:^D

Bruce · « **Reply #35 on:** September 17, 2003, 03:19:29 PM »

Well obviously the so called "skill level" of the higher average bowler isn't as high as they think. If it was they would be able to adjust and would have no problem taking on the lower level bowlers.

I am a fairly new bowler(only bowling 3+ years) and only have a 180 average, but I know when I need to adjust. I have a whole arsenal of bowling balls too, but I know that at some houses I will only be able to use certain balls. If I have to use plastic or a pearl urethan then so be it. And no speed is not an issue I only have a 13-14mph speed range. I love bowling on tough conditions because I know that if I can master the tough conditions it will make me that much better on other conditions.

Bottom line is learn to adjust and stop complaining. Bowling is all about adjusting. It's pretty simple...if you can't adjust then you probably aren't as good as you think you are.

Bruce

T-GOD · « **Reply #36 on:** September 17, 2003, 03:39:22 PM »

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Bottom line is learn to adjust and stop complaining.

Here we have a 180 average bowler, who's only been bowling for 3 years, making statements to guys who've been bowling for over 30 yrs and averaging 200+ for most of those 30 yrs.

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I love bowling on tough conditions because I know that if I can master the tough conditions it will make me that much better on other conditions.

This is a prime example of how new bowlers are getting brain washed, by bowlers who THINK they know something about the game of bowling. =:^D

9andaWiggle · « **Reply #37 on:** September 17, 2003, 03:52:31 PM »

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I just want to bowl with some oil laid down so I can use some of the $900 equipment I bought.

No doubt you are excited to throw this new equipment, but if you built your arsenal correctly, you should have maybe 2 balls (definitely 1) you seldom use (assuming a 4 ball arsenal). These would be on opposite sides of the spectrum, and in this instance, you should be using the "dry" side of your arsenal. The 1 ball you would probably seldom use is the monster for super oily lanes. The other 2 should be somewhere in the middle. Personally, I use 2 of my 4 90% of the time - these would be the Stinger Low Flare (drilled to go waaaay long), and my Urethane Scout spare ball/dry lane ball. Maybe 1 out of 10 nights I can use my Savage, and so far I haven't seen enough oil for my Purple Ice Executioner - but no worries, it's there if I need it.

Sorry for being longwinded, but just because you bought the stuff doesn't mean you should automatically expect to be able to throw it. Maybe you should have waited to see what you needed rather than what you wanted.

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Aristotle · « **Reply #38 on:** September 17, 2003, 03:57:47 PM »

Just to start this, I wanna say that I'm not trying to bash or anything, but I seriously would like to know what buying new equipment has to do with any of this.. What does the pro shop have to do with how the oil in the local center is laid out? Personally, I feel that one has absolutely nothing to do with the other.. I really don't know what type of shot that you're bowling on, bennett, so I can't tell you to adjust or fix your game or anything like that, but in my experience, even dead dry lanes can be dealt with by moving to different parts of the lane and using different equipment. Personally, I'm a one ball a night kinda guy.. I actually carry 4 into a center with me at any given point, but in turn, I hardly ever use more than one, opting to move to different parts of the lane as my shot goes away. There are off occasions where moving around just won't produce any type of results, like times when you're bowling with someone that's throwing a sponge on the lane and playing across your shot, but I've found those instances to be relatively rare. If the shot is indeed dead dry across the whole lane for everyone, then you are right that this is inexcusable by the house, but to quit the leagues and leave your teammates is also inexcusable, and in my book, two wrongs have never made a right.

bennett · « **Reply #39 on:** September 17, 2003, 03:59:42 PM »

Michelle,

I donâ€™t have all the measurements with me on hand but they arenâ€™t maxed out. Only one ball is drilled stacked leverage which Iâ€™m unable to use period. The pin is located in various positions for arcing, various backend reactions on my balls. Despite fresh oil being laid down on the mixed league (this league Iâ€™m hitting 207 on and the league I intend to stay on because at least there is some oil) Iâ€™m still forced to use my Barrage, urethane or plastic while others are able to use stronger equipment. So the Barrage is working the best for me when there is oil down.

I havenâ€™t had my revs measured but I throw 15 mph, up to 16 or 17 on my single pin spares. PAP is 4 Â¾ and 3/16 up. But it doesnâ€™t appear to me any of this is going to do me any good on dry lanes.

The bottom line is that Iâ€™m unable to use the new bowling balls. The barrage, urethane and plastic is what Iâ€™m stuck with. Most of the time Iâ€™m using plastic. I called the pro shop owner and he canâ€™t believe these centers arenâ€™t laying oil down.

Sometimes I bowl well with plastic. It is just a lot harder to find a shot for me.

Others,

I did mention to management that the lanes were dry. The next week I came in they were ever drier than the time before. Besides, they were all dry last year. The league is down to 16 teams compared to 38 of what it used to be. Nothing will be done.

Steven · « **Reply #40 on:** September 17, 2003, 04:27:09 PM »

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I did mention to management that the lanes were dry. The next week I came in they were ever drier than the time before. Besides, they were all dry last year. The league is down to 16 teams compared to 38 of what it used to be. Nothing will be done.

Bennett: I don't know -- something doesn't smell right here. If you're saying that the extent of communications was "I did mention to management that the lanes were dry", that's not enough to sufficiently communicate that you were about to walk out the door. Any house owner who takes the attitude that it's OK to go from 38 to 16 teams is a can short of a six pack, and won't be in business for very long.

Unless the "I don't care" attitude is because he can just fill the house with Cosmic Bowlers, there is something missing from the story.

Personally, I wouldn't mind bowling in what amounts to a plastic league. But it's your life, so go someplace else where there is less anguish. On the positive side, maybe there is a lesson learned here on the value of better communications with house owners. It's amazing what can be fixed with the right kind of interaction.

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Aristotle · « **Reply #41 on:** September 17, 2003, 04:30:39 PM »

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I had no trouble with Sean Quinn and Randy Pederson on fresh conditions in the morning, but they would have man handled me at 10 PM when they could loft the gutter cap on the dry, and I couldn't get to 5th arrow because of my approach.

Randy is a slag anyways, Bob.

Centers · « **Reply #42 on:** September 17, 2003, 04:45:07 PM »

Bennett,

Im either going to get heat on this, or people will agree.

When the lanes get dry, and in your case, dry to the bone, you must use a plastic ball. If everyone else has to use it, then whats the complaint? If you have a good spare game then you should kill them. You mentioned that the lanes were like this last year, why did you join again?

I also don't buy equipment that I know that I cant use. I never will buy paricles, proactives, and anything beyon.

I use to be one of them that would cry about the lanes being dry, and killing the crankers. I decided that my games needed a change, and now I am confident enough to compete on dry lanes. I also stopped buying bowling balls that hooked off the lanes.

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stormerjip · « **Reply #43 on:** September 17, 2003, 04:59:03 PM »

why would u spend 900 dollars on balls anyway. I don't believe that u need 7 balls and yes i have 6 but within two weeks i will have only 4 and i hope i never have to be stupid enough to spend that much money on balls not knowing what to expect.

9andaWiggle · « **Reply #44 on:** September 17, 2003, 05:10:20 PM »

It's not hard to spend $900 including the bag (as he stated). I rebuilt my 4 ball arsenal, including bag and shoes last year and the total cost was in the ballpark of $860 (without any "high performance" balls). However, I knew the 3 houses I was bowling at, what problems I was having with my existing equip. compared to what I needed, anticipated what I might run into elsewhere (heavier oil ball) and gradually went from there.

It sounds to me like he went out, bought a bunch of stuff and found it does not work in 2 of his 3 leagues. To be fair, I don't think (judging from the way he posts) that he ever bowled in the houses where he quit the leagues, so maybe his arsenal was built on experiences elsewhere, we don't know. It just sounds to me like he is more worried about not being able to throw his new equipment, and wants conditions put down that will let him do so. To that I say "good luck", because I've never seen a place put out a pattern to pacify one individual.

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Why, WHY won't the last one just fall?? It's WIGGLING for cryin' out loud!!

JOE FALCO · « **Reply #45 on:** September 17, 2003, 05:36:04 PM »

Didn't I read someplace where one of the PRO bowlers was bowling 220 then suddenly his average dropped to 160/180? .. seems like he should be seeking advice from some of the people on here .. DON'T KNOW WHY HE CAN'T ADJUST?

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