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Smash49

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Pro Shops???
« on: January 22, 2009, 01:13:43 AM »
How satisfied are you with your pro shop and ball driller???  I have recently moved my shop to a new area and have noticed a few things here.  I can tell 95% of the time the pitches in a ball without looking at it.  New customer comes in and hands me a ball and I'll write the pitches down from the old ball and boom, there you go.    The customer ask me how'd you do that?  The people drilling around here drill everyone the same 3/8 reverse in the thumb 0 lateral, 3/8 right and left lateral in the fingers and 0. I had one customer tell me that the driller had him put his fingers on the ball and made circles with a pencil around his fingers. He asked what's that?  Thats where the fingers go and went back and drilled it.  I have also seen a large amount of seconds, blems, and bonanza's around the area.  Sometimes you can get a good one but do they carry quality or something that just makes them money?  I have heard comments like I just want it to wear out quickly so that they buy one a week as opposed to carrying something that last.  Sure there is a better product but I won't carry it even if the pricing is right.

So question is:  Do you think your pro shop has your best interest in mind when you shop there.  Do they provide the correct services you require or treat you like a number.  Does your pro shop actually care about you and your game?

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« Reply #1 on: January 22, 2009, 09:25:30 AM »
The proshop I have been using for about 2 years just recently moved from a different location into the center I bowl in.  He definitely has the customers best interest in mind.  He takes a lot of time during the fitting process of a new bowler and never over sells them a ball just to get more $$$.  I have seen him during the whole process and he does his job very well.  He can communicate with both the beginner, the average bowler, the guys who think they know everything, and the good bowlers who just want him to drill their stuff the way they want it.  He is truly busy all the time and a great shop.

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« Reply #2 on: January 22, 2009, 03:53:27 PM »
Smash,   that was funny,  "put hand on ball and drew circles"
Now as for those finger pitches,   sounds to me like typical insert pitches.
Pitched that way so the inserts flush up.

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« Reply #3 on: January 22, 2009, 03:59:44 PM »
I'm satisfied with my driller, but I think that all my complaints stem from the fact that the bowling community is underserviced by only having 1 & 1/2 pro shops in town (one isn't open that consistently). He's good, but due to lack of time, he doesn't always have time to do a great, 100% perfect job.


However, the other question...yes, I believe he cares about my game. I'm not just a number, customer service is great. I just wish he had more time to get down to 1/16ths of inches on finger pitches so I can stop tearing the hell out of my fingers.
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« Reply #4 on: January 22, 2009, 04:28:47 PM »
jls...

Lots of funny stuff.  How about post it notes as drill sheets with no names on them.  Guess it wouldn't matter much if the specs are all the same  What's funny about the drillings is that no matter what your span everyone got a 3/8 reverse thumb.  3 and 1/2, 4 inch even 5 inch spans same specs.  80 year old grandmothers, kids whoever walked into the shop all the same.  The funniest and sad thing I have seen lately is 70+ year old women that the pro shop sold them SD-73's!  Ball Speed???

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« Reply #5 on: January 22, 2009, 05:14:54 PM »
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jls...

Lots of funny stuff.  How about post it notes as drill sheets with no names on them.  Guess it wouldn't matter much if the specs are all the same  What's funny about the drillings is that no matter what your span everyone got a 3/8 reverse thumb.  3 and 1/2, 4 inch even 5 inch spans same specs.  80 year old grandmothers, kids whoever walked into the shop all the same.  The funniest and sad thing I have seen lately is 70+ year old women that the pro shop sold them SD-73's!  Ball Speed???

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Sounds like something they used to do in some sporting goods dept.   Lock the pitches on the machine.

What is sad is that a pro shop would still have one of those in stock!!!
I believe they did a remake,  but that is still sad.
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« Reply #6 on: January 22, 2009, 06:42:59 PM »
There are 2 shops in the town I live in and I'm not real impressed with the service at either.

The first one is at my normal house, and is the place I had my first (ever) ball drilled.  I wasn't real impressed with the way I was treated, it seemed like my business was an inconvenience to him even though I Had to wait a week to get an appointment to get the work done.  I figured I would give the guy a second chance and took another ball to him when I was ready to move up.  I had learned a lot since my first ball I bought from him and wanted to talk a little more in detail about my measurements.  This shop has the nice Jayhawk measuring ball and I wanted to talk pitch adjustment with him and he wasn't even aware that his ball could be changed for pitch and got kinda grumpy at me when I asked if he ever read the manual.  Needless to say, I packed up my ball, undrilled, and left before he made a mess of it.

The second place is a lot better.  The guy there just doesn't seem to care, if you aren't a big number bowler.  

I don't know if I just expect too much when it comes to service but I am not too impressed with either place.  They both just seem to want to make the money with as little actual work as possible.  Neither place took the time to even ask my style or what kind of reaction I looked for.  Everything came with a typical label leverage drill.  This is why I decided to just invest in the equipment to drill my own stuff.  Only time I go to the shops is when I need a surface adjustment I can't do at home or when I need supplies that I can't wait to have shipped in.

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« Reply #7 on: January 22, 2009, 08:23:56 PM »
This is sort of what I am talking about.  They have a Jayhawk fitting ball with the pitches set in it.  All they do is move it to fit the span and there they are.  I asked one guy to see his BT Fitter and he gave me a blank stare.  What's that?  I described it to him and he said that he didn't know what to do with it so he gave it away.   He said "oh that plastic thing".  That plastic thing is a $250 device that is a lot better than the fitting balls.  

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« Reply #8 on: January 22, 2009, 10:33:12 PM »
I don't always agree with Smash49 on some pro shop topics, but this is a great one.  Unfortunately there isn't enough standardization in the pro shop industry.  I know this is what IBPSIA is trying to combat.  As it stands now, any yahoo with a drill press can call himself a pro shop.  If you get in the right location with no competition and a captive audience (like what Smash moved into), the customers don't have much choice about where to go to and don't have a point of reference to know if they are getting good service or not.

70 year old women with SD73s!!  Awesome!!  Probably no way they didn't get taken for a ride, or the dope didn't know what he was selling.  Grip specs on post it notes!! Sweet!!

Smash, you should be able to rule the world there and come out looking like a knight in shining armor.  You might make $3 too.

For you people that are doubting at all, then you aren't getting good service in some manner.  If the shop guy is correct and you are wondering, then he didn't take the time to explain everything.  If he is not correct, well, then he is not correct.  Under no circumstances should they be jack....es in how they treat you, even if the work is pretty good, don't know if I would put up with that.

Wish there was some way I could economically pro shop for people all over the country, then some of the yahoos would be out of business, and more people would have bowling balls that fit right!!  

Good topic Smash!!

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« Reply #9 on: January 23, 2009, 08:32:01 AM »
my pro shop guy does. He has been drilling my balls for 6 years now. Whenever we start discussing a new ball, he always points out best choices, but never has he recommended the highest price ball in the place based on the price. He is all about repeat business and takes pride in giving fair and equal advice. He is a hell of a driller. I remember one day, there was this local guy who has a misshapen thumb and the driller spent 3 hours working on it until the guy loved the feel.
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« Reply #10 on: January 23, 2009, 06:31:30 PM »
I am extremely satisfied with my Pro Shop, because it gives me all that I could ever ask of a shop. I can go in there and bounce ideas off my driller, or talk trash to several of the drillers who are also bowlers in many of my leagues!

We don't just talk balls and bowling we talk ball reaction, lane conditions, bowling styles, and drill theories. We also get into core dynamics on occasion as well.

It is also a haven for mentoring up-and-coming drillers as well as future entrepeneurs. My pro shop is Bowler's World, in Camp Springs, MD.
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« Reply #11 on: January 23, 2009, 10:26:51 PM »
Around my area I think there is a monopoly on the pro shops. 1 Person seems to own 3 of them and the other 2 are on military bases and neer have anyone running them. So the prices at the 3 big shops are pretty expensive. Quality isnt too bad, but you dont have much choice. So i agree with the underservice statement from an earlier post
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« Reply #12 on: January 23, 2009, 11:25:52 PM »
I will say, I've never had a bad "Pro-shop" experience maybe I am lucky, idk!!!

I know the first time i had a ball drilled up i was like 7 or 8?  and just started leagues.  The next time I had a ball drilled up i was 11?  and had my first hooking ball!  the old urethane Gyro!   Same guy drilled up the ball.

I went to the same guy ( Hank Reest )  for years after that.  And never had a problem with him drilling me up a ball.  Now the other thing that helped was he was at the time the only pro-shop in town.  But he also knew how to treat his customers, so I kept on comming back!  

Then in 2000, the house i was bowling at got a new owner and he put in a pro-shop, so i decided to check it out.  Well at the time, I was having some serious problems with keeping the ball on the right side of the lanes!!!  ( sandpaper backends)  So new proshop guy drills me up a Eraser.  Needless to say the ball was drilled perfectly, but still had the same issue.  

So luckly for me at the time I had two proshops i could choose from if one didnt have a ball i needed or wanted, i knew i could get it at the other.  

Sadly first pro-shop owner ( Hank Reest)  passed away in March 2006, only 6months after selling the bowling alley to his son.  

But the bowling alley was a nice and semi-unique place to bowl because it was a two-story bowling alley, and the original basement usta be were you'd park your cars WAY back in the olden days.   i do believe the first 300 game bowled there was back in the 1930's!!!  

But heres a nice small article about the bowling alley and its closing.  

http://blog.mlive.com/chronicle/2008/04/holland_bowling_center_closes.html
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