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I went to the USBC website and saw this....
« on: October 25, 2016, 04:09:37 PM »
I was looking for a list of coaches in my area, just being curious to who they are.

Then I found this....

http://bowl.com/TheCore/Info/


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Re: I went to the USBC website and saw this....
« Reply #181 on: November 17, 2016, 09:40:15 AM »
Quote from: morpheus on November 17, 2016, 08:05:22 AM
Regardless of whether it's different or not, membership has declined every year for decades so can we all agree whatever is being done isn't working?

 
There isn't the answer you want to hear for everything. The economic concept of creative destruction applies to organized bowling as much as much as any other industry. 
 
So who's to say anything is really broken? Bowling is ironically one of the leading national participation activities. The difference is that sanctioned league bowling is being slowly replaced by a new generation enjoying cosmic/glow bowling, party bowling and open bowling. For the most part, these people have no interest in the bowling world you're trying to resurrect.
 
The USBC will continue to adapt and evolve. In the mean time, everyday league bowlers will continue to receive the comprehensive USBC administrative services and training resources too many take for granted. Competitive bowlers will be given opportunities for tournaments not available anywhere else.
 
You don't have to like the way things are, but denial is stupid. This shouldn't be difficult...
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Re: I went to the USBC website and saw this....
« Reply #182 on: November 17, 2016, 09:40:34 AM »
Again, the "sport" of bowling appeals to a very narrow segment of membership so how exactly is that going to make a significant impact on recruiting/retaining members? Of the three documents you posted, only one focused on recruiting/retaining members and it's been the same message for decades. The world has changed a bit and the way we reach members might require more than a pdf from the 80's. As I've said before, there should be a more coordinated marketing effort between the USBC, BPAA, and local associations to recruit/retain members. Basically spend more time finding ways to pursue and show value to the average member because the die hard "sport" players will always be there due to their love the game. Members that are heavily invested in the "sport" of bowling will always be a small segment, but it stands to reason the 1% of 2 million is more that 1% of 1 million so why wouldn't there be more focus on growing general membership rather than "A Future for the Sport"? So I ask again, is anything being done actually making a difference if membership declines every year?
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Re: I went to the USBC website and saw this....
« Reply #183 on: November 17, 2016, 09:52:39 AM »
Quote from: Steven on November 17, 2016, 09:40:15 AM
Quote from: morpheus on November 17, 2016, 08:05:22 AM
Regardless of whether it's different or not, membership has declined every year for decades so can we all agree whatever is being done isn't working?

 
There isn't the answer you want to hear for everything. The economic concept of creative destruction applies to organized bowling as much as much as any other industry. 
 
So who's to say anything is really broken? Bowling is ironically one of the leading national participation activities. The difference is that sanctioned league bowling is being slowly replaced by a new generation enjoying cosmic/glow bowling, party bowling and open bowling. For the most part, these people have no interest in the bowling world you're trying to resurrect.
 
The USBC will continue to adapt and evolve. In the mean time, everyday league bowlers will continue to receive the comprehensive USBC administrative services and training resources too many take for granted. Competitive bowlers will be given opportunities for tournaments not available anywhere else.
 
You don't have to like the way things are, but denial is stupid. This shouldn't be difficult...

I've consistently spoken in terms of facts, not emotion. Not a single person on this thread can show factual evidence that anything the USBC is, or has done, in the last three decades has grown membership in any way so who exactly is in denial here?
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Re: I went to the USBC website and saw this....
« Reply #184 on: November 17, 2016, 09:57:53 AM »
The main reason league bowling is declining, in my opinion, is the people who bowl in leagues is "graying" or aging and the younger crowd isn't taking up the sport. Even with the youth programs, there is just too much competition from other entertainment sources and lets face facts, bowling isn't the "cool" sport these days.

It probably doesn't help when a large segment of the league population consists of bitter old men who constantly bitch about everything from someone being on their lawn to not having enough handicap parking.
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Re: I went to the USBC website and saw this....
« Reply #185 on: November 17, 2016, 10:15:36 AM »
Quote from: morpheus on November 17, 2016, 09:52:39 AM
I've consistently spoken in terms of facts, not emotion. Not a single person on this thread can show factual evidence that anything the USBC is, or has done, in the last three decades has grown membership in any way so who exactly is in denial here?

And in return you cannot point to any one thing USBC has done that hasn't kept the numbers from decreasing further.  Just because membership numbers haven't increase YOY doesn't mean the efforts don't have a positive impact.  I have shown before in this thread the impact of USBC efforts in youth bowling has INCREASED participation in competitive youth events by almost 3 fold.  You can't tell me that isn't progress.

And as long as people are competing (league, tournaments, pot games...) then it is the sport of bowling.  Every league bowler participating in formats with wins and losses is participating in the sport of bowling.  So it impacts everyone.
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Re: I went to the USBC website and saw this....
« Reply #186 on: November 17, 2016, 10:23:15 AM »
Quote from: milorafferty on November 17, 2016, 09:57:53 AM
The main reason league bowling is declining, in my opinion, is the people who bowl in leagues is "graying" or aging and the younger crowd isn't taking up the sport. Even with the youth programs, there is just too much competition from other entertainment sources and lets face facts, bowling isn't the "cool" sport these days.

It probably doesn't help when a large segment of the league population consists of bitter old men who constantly bitch about everything from someone being on their lawn to not having enough handicap parking.

And to piggy back on this, today's youth competitive bowler competes on more difficult conditions than THS.  Gone are the days of youth leagues being conducted on left overs from Friday nights.  But heaven forbid the adult league bowler accept this more difficult and challenging aspect.  What do we expect the youth bowler to do when they graduate to adult leagues and all they see are (1) THS bumper bowling, (2) complaining about every little thing USBC does and (3) lack of prize fund distribution because no one wants to pay into a "prize fund" and not get their equal share back regardless of the outcome. 

Of course they are going to quit.  There is no logical progression.  USBC cannot affect the change the sport needs if the bowlers they represent continue to try and keep the sport like it was 30 years ago.
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Re: I went to the USBC website and saw this....
« Reply #187 on: November 17, 2016, 11:17:00 AM »
So with all this increased youth tournament participation, how much has youth membership grown? How much of the general membership does the USBC disenfranchise with their sole focus on "A Future for the Sport"? Take a look at their social media and you see nothing but tournament information that general membership cares nothing about, yet they will be asked to pay even more to the USBC to ensure "current levels of service". So they clearly want local associations to recruit/retain members because they posted a pdf, but they just focus of the "sport" of bowling by increasing participation in tournaments that generate more revenue for the USBC? Please help me understand how you rationalize this and make it sound so awesome?
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Re: I went to the USBC website and saw this....
« Reply #188 on: November 17, 2016, 11:20:13 AM »
Quote from: morpheus on November 17, 2016, 11:17:00 AM
So with all this increased youth tournament participation, how much has youth membership grown? How much of the general membership does the USBC disenfranchise with their sole focus on "A Future for the Sport"? Take a look at their social media and you see nothing but tournament information that general membership cares nothing about, yet they will be asked to pay even more to the USBC to ensure "current levels of service". So they clearly want local associations to recruit/retain members because they posted a pdf, but they just focus of the "sport" of bowling by increasing participation in tournaments that generate more revenue for the USBC? Please help me understand how you rationalize this and make it sound so awesome?

Thank you for continuing to prove my point. Have a nice day.
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Re: I went to the USBC website and saw this....
« Reply #189 on: November 17, 2016, 11:32:00 AM »


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Thank you for continuing to prove my point. Have a nice day.

I think Jorge may have been right -- there is some undeclared family relationship to our old friend "Mighty Fish". Like MF, there is a factual disconnect that was shown impossible to bridge. Add in a toxic goo of irrational hatred, and you have a circle of posting misery that never ends. I've had enough, at least for today.  :)
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Re: I went to the USBC website and saw this....
« Reply #190 on: November 17, 2016, 12:20:02 PM »
Quote from: milorafferty on November 17, 2016, 11:20:13 AM
Quote from: morpheus on November 17, 2016, 11:17:00 AM
So with all this increased youth tournament participation, how much has youth membership grown? How much of the general membership does the USBC disenfranchise with their sole focus on "A Future for the Sport"? Take a look at their social media and you see nothing but tournament information that general membership cares nothing about, yet they will be asked to pay even more to the USBC to ensure "current levels of service". So they clearly want local associations to recruit/retain members because they posted a pdf, but they just focus of the "sport" of bowling by increasing participation in tournaments that generate more revenue for the USBC? Please help me understand how you rationalize this and make it sound so awesome?

Thank you for continuing to prove my point. Have a nice day.

By proving your point, are you referring to your opinions that are in no way supported by facts? 
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Re: I went to the USBC website and saw this....
« Reply #191 on: November 17, 2016, 12:26:54 PM »
Quote from: morpheus on November 17, 2016, 12:20:02 PM
Quote from: milorafferty on November 17, 2016, 11:20:13 AM
Quote from: morpheus on November 17, 2016, 11:17:00 AM
So with all this increased youth tournament participation, how much has youth membership grown? How much of the general membership does the USBC disenfranchise with their sole focus on "A Future for the Sport"? Take a look at their social media and you see nothing but tournament information that general membership cares nothing about, yet they will be asked to pay even more to the USBC to ensure "current levels of service". So they clearly want local associations to recruit/retain members because they posted a pdf, but they just focus of the "sport" of bowling by increasing participation in tournaments that generate more revenue for the USBC? Please help me understand how you rationalize this and make it sound so awesome?

Thank you for continuing to prove my point. Have a nice day.

By proving your point, are you referring to your opinions that are in no way supported by facts? 

It's not my opinion that you and those here like you bitch about the USBC failing to increase membership.
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Re: I went to the USBC website and saw this....
« Reply #192 on: November 17, 2016, 12:34:53 PM »
Facts:
*Membership has declined every year for over two decades

*The USBC wants to grow membership as evidenced in their pdf (http://usbcongress.http.internapcdn.net/usbcongress/bowl/associations/pdfs/2010-2011/Forms%20and%20Manuals/Membership/Volunteer%20mbshp%20recruit%20plan%207-14-10.pdf) posted by spmcgivern

"Recruitment and retention is an ongoing process that must be actively pursued each season to ensure the growth of the sport. Benefits of bowling and belonging to USBC must be shared with current and potential members."

*The USBC revived the PWBA Tour

*The overwhelming marketing message from the USBC is "A Future for the Sport"

*The USBC launched The Core for "Super Fans of the Sport" giving you "Personalized engagement with the top players in the industry"


So looking at all these initiatives, the only thing in that list that even remotely references retaining/recruiting members is a six page pdf that was last updated six years ago. I'm just putting facts out there, the body of work speaks for itself.
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Re: I went to the USBC website and saw this....
« Reply #193 on: November 17, 2016, 01:40:43 PM »
Quote from: morpheus on November 17, 2016, 12:34:53 PM
Facts:
*Membership has declined every year for over two decades

Just curious how this was calculated.  If you use the revenue collected and divide by $10 (per member) then you can't say it declined every year since the amount collected has varied.  If you want to say USBC has fewer members in 2016 than in 1996, then you are correct.
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Re: I went to the USBC website and saw this....
« Reply #194 on: November 17, 2016, 02:55:31 PM »
Quote from: spmcgivern on November 17, 2016, 01:40:43 PM
Quote from: morpheus on November 17, 2016, 12:34:53 PM
Facts:
*Membership has declined every year for over two decades

Just curious how this was calculated.  If you use the revenue collected and divide by $10 (per member) then you can't say it declined every year since the amount collected has varied.  If you want to say USBC has fewer members in 2016 than in 1996, then you are correct.

I got my information from a reputable source, but anyone in the industry could tell you that it's true. That said, you're a member so maybe USBC will answer that question for you because you darn sure can't find it online which seems odd. 
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Re: I went to the USBC website and saw this....
« Reply #195 on: November 17, 2016, 03:43:57 PM »
Quote from: morpheus on November 17, 2016, 02:55:31 PM

I got my information from a reputable source, but anyone in the industry could tell you that it's true. That said, you're a member so maybe USBC will answer that question for you because you darn sure can't find it online which seems odd. 

The intent of my comment on the decrease was based on revenue alone there have been years where monies collected from membership dues has increased YOY.  That is all. 

I agree with a lot of what you have to say, I really do.  But I also think there is more to it than a simple suggestion of "do something different."  USBC uses social media, which is something you want them to do.  USBC is assisting the local associations, which is something you want them to do.  USBC is working with the BPAA to bridge the gap between proprietors and local associations, something you want them to do.

If you don't like the way's they are doing these things, that is one thing.  But to suggest they have been doing the same thing for the past 30 years is ignorant at best.
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