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Juggernaut

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If you were going to throw urethane.....
« on: September 17, 2018, 01:50:05 PM »
 would you go with a new, “modern” urethane, or would you prefer an older, original urethane?

 Reason I ask is, over the long haul I tend to score better/more consistently with urethane.

 That, and I already own a lower games, fully plugged, original blue Hammer, and an original blue Nitro that needs the thumb fixed.

 Saw a video where Bill O’Neill claims that the new Black Hammer is only slightly stronger than the original blue.

 Really like my black quantum, so was looking at the True Motion to get a slightly stronger core than a Hammer.

 I’ve tried some of the “urethane like” choices, but most of them really acted less like real urethane, and more like resin, than they were supposed to, at least to me.


 Lots of choices out there right now, so what you guys think?
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Re: If you were going to throw urethane.....
« Reply #1 on: September 17, 2018, 03:01:19 PM »
If you threw 16 pounds I might suggest a Visionary Scorcher NPT. Bowlerscellar has 16 pounds still available...had 2 of them before at one time and another...very weak on the back end(urethane like but a tad stronger), and earlier than resin.

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Re: If you were going to throw urethane.....
« Reply #2 on: September 17, 2018, 03:10:21 PM »
Just drilled my Scorcher NPT and can give a report after throw it.  2 big differences imo between old and new urethane is new urethane tends to be stronger but also doesn't tend to hold its surface as well as say a Faball Blue Hammer (first time I tried changing surface by hand learned yeah bring a lunch).  Love my Crow but my favorite urethane strike ball is my AMF Sumo (very strong predictable and also holds surface well) but then again I need help from a big core.  Red Razor is probably the strongest old urethane but that ball tends to be not very forgiving if go high at all.  Jaz swears by his Hot Cell and heard good things about the BW urethane if looking for strongest urethane balls possible.   True motion is more tame but looks like a good piece especially for drier conditions.
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Re: If you were going to throw urethane.....
« Reply #3 on: September 17, 2018, 03:53:50 PM »
You could also take a look at the Black Widow Urethane.  I have 2, one OOB and one lightly polished.  I love the polished one immensely!

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Re: If you were going to throw urethane.....
« Reply #4 on: September 17, 2018, 04:02:13 PM »
I would definitely take old school urethane over modern urethane because the former retains its grit a lot better plus they react more predictably to dry boards. For urethane reactions out of a non-urethane, I heard that the Scorcher NPT is certainly on the smooth side although I have never seen it in action. Brad, may I PM you?

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Re: If you were going to throw urethane.....
« Reply #5 on: September 17, 2018, 04:15:06 PM »
As for the npt I no longer have either one..but if I did get another one I would put a much much more aggressive drilling on it. As others have stated on here about this ball...kicking the cg out quite a bit helps get some kind of reaction out of the ball.

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Re: If you were going to throw urethane.....
« Reply #6 on: September 17, 2018, 04:23:24 PM »
I thought NPT was asym but driller said it was symmetric so went 4x4x2 on it.
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Re: If you were going to throw urethane.....
« Reply #7 on: September 17, 2018, 04:31:56 PM »
Every time I swear off urethane, I talk myself into buying a new one.  :)   With my medium rev rate, except for very rare conditions, I almost always find resin to be a superior option. Still, I currently own a Roto Grip Hot Cell, Black Hammer, Purple Pearl Hammer, Blue Hammer, and a Storm Mix (my spare ball). In the more distant past, I also owned Lane#1, Storm, and older Hammer urethanes.
 
As far as "old" or "new" urethane, my experience is that you'll never mistake any of the referenced balls with a reactive resin reaction. Even the Asymmetric Hot Cell with it's bad boy core is still a very recognizable urethane reaction. 


I just got my Purple Hammer drilled up for a big tournament where there will be a short 35' pattern. I wanted a pearl urethane for a different urethane look, and in the few games I've practiced with it, I'm not disappointed. It clears the mids better than my Hot Cell and Black Hammer, and while not a "resin like" reaction when it hits friction, it has better urethane recovery than I'm used to seeing.
 
Scoring in the modern game is all about carry, so I'm perplexed by anyone with less than 400+ revs who would consider urethane as a first option. But the beauty of bowling is that we're all different and there is no single way.

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Re: If you were going to throw urethane.....
« Reply #8 on: September 17, 2018, 05:20:51 PM »
I love throwing urethane whenever i get a chance to which is pretty often lately. Im not one to cross many boards and i love the predictability of urethane. I had 15 in a row on Sat with my BooYah freshly drilled OOB. Would love to try an older Urethane with same drilling and compare the 2 on similar shots. I'm the exception being RH and can effectively throw urethane and score on anything short of a flood. I don't have many revs, just like playing 10-5 on most THS and works for me. If i have to ball up, most of the time i go to the After Dark's, Desert Ops, or my trusty polished Truth Tour.

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Re: If you were going to throw urethane.....
« Reply #9 on: September 17, 2018, 07:11:35 PM »
I'm actually excited to put holes in my Shadow Ops, because I have to put away my Booyah after the first game. On the fresh, I can stand where the dumpers are and score, but once transition hits, I have to go to something with a little more shape. Shadow will be that ball without me moving too far left. Then after that blows up, I can move in and use a Honey Badger or Drift.

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Re: If you were going to throw urethane.....
« Reply #10 on: September 18, 2018, 10:20:41 AM »
Scoring in the modern game is all about carry, so I'm perplexed by anyone with less than 400+ revs who would consider urethane as a first option. But the beauty of bowling is that we're all different and there is no single way.

I'm only in the 300-350 rev rate range, but I will go to it often enough. After having a horrible week last week with resin, I decided it was back to urethane this week. I'd rather sacrifice the odd corner pin than deal with splits all night. Our house shot was a pain to bowl on all summer, and it is still a pain right now.

I swapped between a Hot Cell and Shadow Ops last night for 2.5 games. Much better than last week. My son did sub into the 3rd game for my wife and he was swinging a black hammer (which I gave him) right into my breakpoint. I started to experience some carry down and going around it was not really the answer. I went to resin. That wasn't really the answer either. But I had to see for myself. Still was under last year's average by a fair amount, but far better than the pitiful series I put up last monday. Probably going to be urethane first out of the bag again tonight in 5 man.

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Re: If you were going to throw urethane.....
« Reply #11 on: September 18, 2018, 10:43:45 AM »
Scoring in the modern game is all about carry, so I'm perplexed by anyone with less than 400+ revs who would consider urethane as a first option. But the beauty of bowling is that we're all different and there is no single way.

I'm only in the 300-350 rev rate range, but I will go to it often enough. After having a horrible week last week with resin, I decided it was back to urethane this week. I'd rather sacrifice the odd corner pin than deal with splits all night. Our house shot was a pain to bowl on all summer, and it is still a pain right now.

I swapped between a Hot Cell and Shadow Ops last night for 2.5 games. Much better than last week. My son did sub into the 3rd game for my wife and he was swinging a black hammer (which I gave him) right into my breakpoint. I started to experience some carry down and going around it was not really the answer. I went to resin. That wasn't really the answer either. But I had to see for myself. Still was under last year's average by a fair amount, but far better than the pitiful series I put up last monday. Probably going to be urethane first out of the bag again tonight in 5 man.

 Jazlar,
  How did that shadow ops compare to that hot cell?
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Re: If you were going to throw urethane.....
« Reply #12 on: September 19, 2018, 01:12:39 AM »
I like the modern urethanes better so far. Not talking about the Purple (since it's an animal on its own), they seem less oil sensative and a bit more shape compared to the older ones. The old ones do seem to hold their surface better though. Maybe I'll drill an original Black Hammer (maybe even a Burgundy as well) and compare them to the new Black Urethane.
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Re: If you were going to throw urethane.....
« Reply #13 on: September 19, 2018, 09:10:18 AM »
Jazlar,
  How did that shadow ops compare to that hot cell?

Shadow Ops is cleaner and a bit more on the back end than the Hot Cell. The Hot Cell reads really early. It's also a little stronger overall. But the biggest difference is the shape. Shadow Ops is still an early rolling ball due to the 80% urethane, just not as early as the Hot Cell. I find the Shadow Ops to be a little more versatile.

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Re: If you were going to throw urethane.....
« Reply #14 on: September 19, 2018, 10:41:20 AM »
Only ever rolled a Vector One for old urethane and a Classic U2 for new "urethane". I'm not sure what the Classic is because the very top layer of the cover got much lighter after a soap and hot water bath and spots are changing back with impact I think.

Storm's Matchmaker did suggest a Pitch Black for my medium-light house shot even though I think I have less than 275 revs. Must be my high axis rotation  ;D
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