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bowler838

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Innovative Personal Ball Revivor
« on: October 20, 2014, 12:27:08 PM »
I just bought their personal ball oven and it seems to work well except none of all balls seem to bleed out oil.  I've had one bleed oil out and that was a gamebreaker.  Any ideas?  The bowling balls do get hot just cant figure it out why when i check on them, the ball is warm to touch but no oil appears.  Anyone have any experience with them?

 

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Re: Innovative Personal Ball Revivor
« Reply #1 on: October 20, 2014, 12:39:02 PM »
I have had no issues with mine and ive had it for years.  I have it set at 140 degrees and once it gets to about 115-120 I can see the ball start to bleed oil if theres oil in the ball.  I dont run mine for the full 45 minutes though, I run every ball for 20-25 minutes and take it out a couple of times just to wipe off some of the excess oil off the ball. maybe your setting is not correct or there just not getting warm enough to bleed the oil out.. 
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Re: Innovative Personal Ball Revivor
« Reply #2 on: October 20, 2014, 12:55:22 PM »
Ya I'm going to try to make it warmer. I had one ball bleed so far but the others wont. It's weird

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Re: Innovative Personal Ball Revivor
« Reply #3 on: October 20, 2014, 01:19:54 PM »
What you're experiencing is not unusual. I have a NuBall (basically the same thing) and I've found that some balls give back a lot of oil, while others give back little or nothing. I contacted the owner of NuBall to discuss, and he confirmed its not unusual. Others have reported the same behavior in other threads on BR.
 
Most of the balls (for me) that have bled profusely have been from EBI. I don't know if that's true for others or not.

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Re: Innovative Personal Ball Revivor
« Reply #4 on: October 20, 2014, 01:28:30 PM »
So does that mean since they are not bleeding they aren't losing any oil basically right?

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Re: Innovative Personal Ball Revivor
« Reply #5 on: October 20, 2014, 01:29:25 PM »
Ya I'm going to try to make it warmer. I had one ball bleed so far but the others wont. It's weird

Be careful how "warm" you make it. I don't know its settings, but some manufacturers stipulate not to heat their balls higher than 120 degrees; others say 140 degrees.
Theoretically  140 - 150 degrees is the range at which the plasticizers (that which makes urethane into resin, as far as I have learned) start to leech from the ball. You don't want that to happen. I go no higher than 140 degrees, personally.

If you're cleaning the balls after every league session, that will very much reduce the amount of oil absorbed. It won't stop the absorption. When I first got my NuBall, I went treated 10 balls before I got one that released its captured oil. I just did a teammate's Marvel Pearl; he said it hadn't been cleaned in 100 games roughly. I got 1/2 - 3/4 of a jigger of oil out it.
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Re: Innovative Personal Ball Revivor
« Reply #6 on: October 20, 2014, 01:34:44 PM »
I always wipe a ball before every shot with a microfiber towel and usually hit it with ball cleaner on the spinner to clean the gunk off the surface from my local center.  I keep the temp within range as suggested by innovative. My gamebreaker bleeds so that makes me feel better but I've never seen a ball soak like that does.

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Re: Innovative Personal Ball Revivor
« Reply #7 on: October 20, 2014, 01:54:37 PM »
You don't want to get it hotter. If between 125-150 no oil comes out after 30minutes then you are done and on to the next. Not all bowling balls are sponges. Many will obsorb very little oil depending on surface finish.
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Re: Innovative Personal Ball Revivor
« Reply #8 on: October 20, 2014, 02:15:23 PM »
Don't you have to do a bit of surface prep to properly bleed them of the oil? I look forward to getting one or making one, so I need to know!!

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Re: Innovative Personal Ball Revivor
« Reply #9 on: October 20, 2014, 02:20:54 PM »
That's a good question. I've never thought about prep work for surface .

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Re: Innovative Personal Ball Revivor
« Reply #10 on: October 20, 2014, 02:30:03 PM »
Couple things.  Some manufacturers temperature ceiling for warranty purposes are 125, some are 140.  Taking the surface of the ball to 1000 or 500 before an oil extraction opens up the pores of the ball, allowing the oil to come out easier.  Storm brands and Ebonite brands soak up oil the quickest, with Storm being moderately high to Hammer being impossibly astronomical.  When I Detox, I get a moderate amount of oil out of 80% of Storm balls, but I get a TON of oil out of 100% of Hammer balls.  Brunswick brands and Motiv soak up very little and retain their reaction the longest with the least amount of maintenance by far.  Billy Orlikowski said at a recent seminar/workshop on some of their new releases that the Detox was also the safest and most efficient means of oil extraction, so if you have access to one of those, that will be your best option.  He DID say that normally he wouldn't recommend anything using water, because that the filler material between the core and the coverstock doesn't like water, but being that the ball is exposed to more water during a typical resurface than during a Detox treatment, and that a treatment exposes the ball to a higher temperature for far shorter a duration than with just dry heat based extraction, it's safer for the ball overall. 
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Re: Innovative Personal Ball Revivor
« Reply #11 on: October 20, 2014, 02:45:35 PM »
Mo recommends 360grit before baking.
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Re: Innovative Personal Ball Revivor
« Reply #12 on: October 20, 2014, 02:47:58 PM »
It's definitely a good idea, but you've also just significantly altered your surface too . . and some people are skeptics.  "Well are you sure it doesn't just hook more because you changed the surface?"  Well when the water was clear a half hour ago, and now it looks like 1% milk, yeah, pretty sure . .

Mo recommends 360grit before baking.
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Re: Innovative Personal Ball Revivor
« Reply #13 on: October 20, 2014, 03:04:53 PM »
Don't you have to do a bit of surface prep to properly bleed them of the oil? I look forward to getting one or making one, so I need to know!!

Doom, I have the Nu Ball Rejuvenator. The instructions do not require or recommend any surface preparation before you use the unit.
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Re: Innovative Personal Ball Revivor
« Reply #14 on: October 20, 2014, 03:33:35 PM »
I've experimented with taking a few balls down to 360 before NuBall treatments. The most recent were a Motiv Raptor P7 and Storm ROP that weren't giving back any oil. The 360 made no difference -- nothing oozed.
 
To charlest's point, if you wipe you balls down between shots and clean immediately after, there is a good chance nothing will be visably extracted. At least that's been my experience.