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Remmah

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Interesting PBA weekend
« on: February 28, 2022, 07:02:57 PM »
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Re: Interesting PBA weekend
« Reply #46 on: March 04, 2022, 11:24:33 AM »
So i'm curious on if this is a thing with the Storm IQ Tour also. Many people say that the pre-2015 IQT roll significantly better than the newer versions and I never tested this out.

Milo is right with his response.

It's also like how people search out Utah poured Hustle Inks over San Antonio poured because of the slight differences

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Re: Interesting PBA weekend
« Reply #47 on: March 04, 2022, 01:43:58 PM »
So i'm curious on if this is a thing with the Storm IQ Tour also. Many people say that the pre-2015 IQT roll significantly better than the newer versions and I never tested this out.

Milo is right with his response.

It's also like how people search out Utah poured Hustle Inks over San Antonio poured because of the slight differences

Wonder if it is a climate issue affecting the covers?  There is a big difference between Utah and Southern Texas and not just temperature wise.  San Antonio is a few hours away from the Gulf and Utah is up in the mountains.  Also, conditions have changed quite a bit over the past 7+ years (different oils have come out as well as lane conditions as a whole). 
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Re: Interesting PBA weekend
« Reply #48 on: March 04, 2022, 02:13:26 PM »
So i'm curious on if this is a thing with the Storm IQ Tour also. Many people say that the pre-2015 IQT roll significantly better than the newer versions and I never tested this out.

Milo is right with his response.

It's also like how people search out Utah poured Hustle Inks over San Antonio poured because of the slight differences

Or in my case, if you asked me to tell you what the best-rolling ball of all time for me was, I would say the original Storm Thunder.

A few years ago, I came across a ball called a Storm Big D, and it had never been drilled. It was a USBC-approved ball from around 2010 that had been specifically poured for a giveaway at Don Carter West at a pro-am. I guess everyone who bowled that particular pro-am got one.

What was significant about it? It apparently had the old Curelyon coverstock and the FE2 core -- i.e., the same combination as the Thunder. I jumped on it.

I was dreaming of watching that familiar old Thunder roll ... right up to the point I tried to play with it on modern-day oils. It's a great dry-lane ball now. And I do mean DRY.

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Re: Interesting PBA weekend
« Reply #49 on: March 04, 2022, 05:04:25 PM »
Wonder if it is a climate issue affecting the covers?  There is a big difference between Utah and Southern Texas and not just temperature wise.

Given that it's a specific serial number range it's far more likely to be a manufacturing issu.e

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Re: Interesting PBA weekend
« Reply #50 on: March 04, 2022, 06:24:19 PM »
The more things change..........

In the 1970s Mcune and others discovered that polyester hit better when it was softer and that it could be made softer by soaking with everything from acetone to MEK.  Soaking was quickly outlawed but Columbia started producing softer balls on yellow dots and the shore D.  For whatever reason Brunswick and AMF weren't able to replicate the process.  Lo and behold the ABC introduced the hardness rule along with the PBA.  Most of us knew at the time that this wouldn't have happened if Big B or AMF had discovered the process. 

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Re: Interesting PBA weekend
« Reply #51 on: March 05, 2022, 07:20:54 AM »
That's why I jokingly mentioned the soakers earlier.   Seriously, for urethane, softness is the important parameter.  That's why softness, not age, should be the thing they measure and control.  If they care about integrity (wow, guess I'm agreeing with Sean Rash), that's where their efforts should go.  The USBC stupidly hung on to the static weight rule when basically everyone was throwing resin for years.  If they plan on doing similar with urethane, there will be a lot of unhappy consumers.  Of course there's no easy way to measure/enforce softness at the local level.  And no one should care for most leagues, but their might be some belly aching at some big tournaments if they decide to do something about urethane at our level.

avabob

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Re: Interesting PBA weekend
« Reply #52 on: March 05, 2022, 09:03:36 AM »
Actually I don't think hardness is a big factor with urethane.  Urethane increased friction thru sanding to increase abrasiveness.  We pretty much stopped paying attention to hardness during the urethane era because balls were commonly sanded down to 400 grit.  Likewise with the resin enhanced balls which increased friction chemically rather than thru softness. 

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Re: Interesting PBA weekend
« Reply #53 on: March 05, 2022, 03:45:21 PM »
I was guessing that hardness seems to play a big part since there has been a lot of super sanded urethane being used over the past few years, but only a certain one has been dominating.  I kind of doubt that their urethane formulation is head and shoulders above everyone else.

avabob

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Re: Interesting PBA weekend
« Reply #54 on: March 05, 2022, 05:29:58 PM »
Sanding increases the aggressiveness without impacting hardness.  The purple hammer is a strange animal.  My purple pearl out if Kentucky never came remotely close to lane shining.  I think there is some type of additive that gives the cover its characteristic.  Also interesting that it has a very weak core.

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Re: Interesting PBA weekend
« Reply #55 on: March 05, 2022, 06:23:13 PM »
Sanding increases the aggressiveness without impacting hardness.  The purple hammer is a strange animal.  My purple pearl out if Kentucky never came remotely close to lane shining.  I think there is some type of additive that gives the cover its characteristic.  Also interesting that it has a very weak core.

One of the guys on our sport league throws a "soft" Purple Hammer. I haven't seen a cover look like that since getting the chance many years ago to actually hold a soaker Yellow Dot. It feels like you could scar the coverstock with your fingernail if you wanted to. On top of that, this guy has a rev rate of about 100-120, no exaggeration, and he gets uncommon carry and shape from that PH compared to any of his resin gear on that particular shot.

On the other hand, I think I could lob my old Slate Blue Gargoyle at a tank and knock it out of service. I have no doubt both my SBGs would punch legal. Same for my three-year-old Fever Pitch.

If you can find two of them to compare, put an old gray Angle up against a gold Angle and see how much softer the gold feels.