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General Category => Miscellaneous => Topic started by: trash heap on January 05, 2015, 10:55:13 AM
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My answer is "No".
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My answer is "No".
Depends on the bowler. For me, no, but some bowlers have there own goals and that might be one of them.
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Everyone has their own goals. You will always have those haters who will try and negate what your goals you accomplish. People complain that a regular 300 does not mean a thing anymore because of the equipment. You still have to knock down all of the pins. You still have to execute shots.
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My answer is "No".
Depends on the bowler. For me, no, but some bowlers have there own goals and that might be one of them.
I agree 1000%.
Is a 300 no tap an honor score, no. But an individual personal achievement, yes. To some bowlers, that may be the only 300 they get.
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Exactly, as tuckinfenpin says. It's up to the bowler to decide if it's a big deal or not. I don't get excited by my own "real" 300's at this point, but I do get excited when one of my friends(who have lower averages) has a very good game for them. Seeing all those X's across the score sheet gets them all pumped up and excited. That's good for bowling.
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a regular 300 is barely a big achievement anymore
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I've shot a non sanction 300 when I averaged 185 on wood lanes. It wasn't pretty but I did it. I also shot 3 practice 300's as well which was cool too. But my only 300 that's in the books came a month, and my first week back, after my father passed away. Best feeling in the world. I called it after I got the first 6 and announced it to my teammates that this one is for dad......
I've had several front 10 and 11 since then, and I always think about that night I shot that 300 for him. Maybe somehow, deep inside, I don't want another 300. But I sure do want the first 800....
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While I've had many regular 300's, I've never had a No Tap 300. Mental block... That being said, if you're on my pair when it finally happens, I'll be buying the drinks! ;D
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If that were true I would have shot 900 last Monday!!! Went 268,218,228 with nothing more than a single pin spare the entire night. 2 game 1, 4 game 2, and 4 game 3. No tap is POINTLESS!!!
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If that were true I would have shot 900 last Monday!!! Went 268,218,228 with nothing more than a single pin spare the entire night. 2 game 1, 4 game 2, and 4 game 3. No tap is POINTLESS!!!
No it's not. There are plenty of people who enjoy bowling no tap, especially for short format, inexpensive tournaments.
I bowl in something calledl Match Club. It seems to be unique to Northern CA, Southern Oregon and Northern Nevada. About a 350 mile radius give or take of the Sacramento CA area. Most of the bowlers are older and the skill level is not very high. The majority of these "clubs" use what is known as a "Fun Day" to raise money for the operating expenses to keep the costs down for their members.
If a club has a regular handicap tournament(not no tap), then sure, you get a few people to come and support your tournament, but if you make it a no-tap, they come in droves because it's much more fun when these lower average bowlers have a real shot at being competitive against the higher skill level bowlers. Of course, the "Big Dogs" complain about amount of handicap and no-tap status of the event, but they come anyway, EVERY TIME.
No-Tap has a place in competitive bowling. And while I don't tend to do very well in them as I don't get handicap, I can see where it makes the sport much more enjoyable for a lot of people.
If you don't like No-Tap, then don't go, it's really a simple concept.
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I agree with what was said prior, it all depends on the person. It should not, and never will be a recoginzed honor score, but it could mean a lot to the person shooting it. It also depends, to me, on whether or not it was a no-tap 300 or a 12 strikes 300 that just happened to be during a no-tap event. I know of one bowler in Northern California who shot a real 900, 36 straight strikes, during a weekly no-tap tournament. I know, he was pretty proud of his accomplishment, even though it wasn't recognized.
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No tap is POINTLESS!!!
I have my share of sanctioned 300's, but I always look forward to our Christmas break no-tap tournament. It's not easy getting 9 pins or a strike almost every frame, especially when you have to.
Our tournament is a 6 gamer, moving a pair right every game. Realistically, you can get away with no more than 3-5 non-strike frames and hope to have a chance to win. It's a great challenge and a much harder format than many give it credit for.
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I miss match club and our fun day lol
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No-Tap has a place in competitive bowling. And while I don't tend to do very well in them as I don't get handicap, I can see where it makes the sport much more enjoyable for a lot of people.
All the no tap tournaments in my area that I know are scratch. Our local center has a Scotch Doubles "No Tap" Tournment. It is all scratch. It gets a pretty good turn out.
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My answer is "No".
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No it is not.
Another thing some people do is add there handicap to a score then brag about it
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No-Tap has a place in competitive bowling. And while I don't tend to do very well in them as I don't get handicap, I can see where it makes the sport much more enjoyable for a lot of people.
All the no tap tournaments in my area that I know are scratch. Our local center has a Scotch Doubles "No Tap" Tournment. It is all scratch. It gets a pretty good turn out.
I do bowl a Scratch No Tap each month. It's on Travis AFB in Fairfield CA. They have two divisions, a 170 average is the dividing line. $25 entry, three game No Tap, cut the field in half, change lanes and bowl another game, cut the field in half again, then change lanes and bowl the one last game for cash. 1st Place pays around $200 for each division.
Here is the catch, other than the month of December, it's NOT a house shot. Sometimes it's a PBA pattern, but as often as not, it's something you have not seen before. Over the last year, we saw patterns as long as 57' with HEAVY oil, to 20' with almost no oil. Even a true reverse block pattern.
There is a 300 pot that costs a dollar to enter and a lot of months it doesn't get hit and rolls over to the next month.
It's held the second Saturday of each month.
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No-Tap has a place in competitive bowling. And while I don't tend to do very well in them as I don't get handicap, I can see where it makes the sport much more enjoyable for a lot of people.
All the no tap tournaments in my area that I know are scratch. Our local center has a Scotch Doubles "No Tap" Tournment. It is all scratch. It gets a pretty good turn out.
We have separate handicap team and scratch singles no-tap tournaments. They both have good turnouts.
A few years ago, a local bowler who was on the Wichita State bowling team came home for Christmas break and brought a few teammates friends with him. They collectively decided to bowl in the scratch no-tap tournament, and not one of them cashed. ;D
It takes a different mindset and approach to have the best success.
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I have a no tap 900 . . and while it's fun to say I have it, it's ultimately not that big of a deal. It was still a good set, I think it would have been 750ish, but it's WAY different when you're only trying to throw a good enough shot to get 9. I'll tell you what though, when you're on the "front 35" and are staring down that last shot, it's interestingly nerve wracking. Nobody wants to choke a no tap strike!
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I am not stating that "no tap" isn't fun, but to consider a No tap 300 game as a big achievement. I don't see it. You are taking away the pressure to adjust (the carry factor) when leaving a single pin and the also the additional added bonus of having to pick up that single pin spare. To me key elements in bowling.
It would be same as a golf tournament where the only goal is to get the ball on the green. Once you do that, just pick up your ball, mark your score and move on to the next hole. You probably have some scores in the low 60s. Is that a big achievement?
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Off topic, but a no tap 300 tourney is the biggest donation to really good scratch bowlers of any format. Many bowlers have no idea how easy it is to hit the pocket if you don't have to worry about carry. I don't bowl many no taps, but over the years, I would be disappointed if I didn't have at least 1 300 out of every 3 games.
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I am not stating that "no tap" isn't fun, but to consider a No tap 300 game as a big achievement. I don't see it. You are taking away the pressure to adjust (the carry factor) when leaving a single pin and the also the additional added bonus of having to pick up that single pin spare. To me key elements in bowling.
It would be same as a golf tournament where the only goal is to get the ball on the green. Once you do that, just pick up your ball, mark your score and move on to the next hole. You probably have some scores in the low 60s. Is that a big achievement?
It is to the person who is only able to throw a ball about 10 mph, with no hand and averages under 150 with a 12 lb plastic ball.
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Off topic, but a no tap 300 tourney is the biggest donation to really good scratch bowlers of any format. Many bowlers have no idea how easy it is to hit the pocket if you don't have to worry about carry. I don't bowl many no taps, but over the years, I would be disappointed if I didn't have at least 1 300 out of every 3 games.
And this is precisely the key to having the best shot at winning or cashing in these tournaments.
I use tame equipment and square up to eliminate creating excessive area. I don't care if I get only 9 pins, because that's all I'm really trying for. A real strike is just a bonus.
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Off topic, but a no tap 300 tourney is the biggest donation to really good scratch bowlers of any format. Many bowlers have no idea how easy it is to hit the pocket if you don't have to worry about carry. I don't bowl many no taps, but over the years, I would be disappointed if I didn't have at least 1 300 out of every 3 games.
I find it to be more benefit the 180-190ish bowlers who can't pick up a 10-pin to save their A$$. They get a few sticks based on their average and if you are bowling scratch, they can beat you even if you throw a 300.
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I sort of bowled a no-tap 900 yesterday but only shot 680 for real...22 real strikes along with 8/11 spare shooting...3 missed 7's. I missed a 7 pin spare in the 10th frame of the last game so I didn't get 3 legit strike shots in the 10th frame - so kind of whatever. Also, I didn't realize it was a no-tap "900" until I looked at my PinPal app hours after the match so I was not up there thinking "I need 9 or better to lock it up!!!".
I will agree with most others: a no-tap 300 doesn't mean much if you already have a regular 300 and it's not a no-tap tournament. However, when I was 14 way back when (pre-resin), and didn't have a regular 300, and shot 300/858 to win a no-tap tournament, you better believe I was super psyched on what I thought was an excellent achievement!!!
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No-Tap has a place in competitive bowling. And while I don't tend to do very well in them as I don't get handicap, I can see where it makes the sport much more enjoyable for a lot of people.
All the no tap tournaments in my area that I know are scratch. Our local center has a Scotch Doubles "No Tap" Tournment. It is all scratch. It gets a pretty good turn out.
I do bowl a Scratch No Tap each month. It's on Travis AFB in Fairfield CA. They have two divisions, a 170 average is the dividing line. $25 entry, three game No Tap, cut the field in half, change lanes and bowl another game, cut the field in half again, then change lanes and bowl the one last game for cash. 1st Place pays around $200 for each division.
Here is the catch, other than the month of December, it's NOT a house shot. Sometimes it's a PBA pattern, but as often as not, it's something you have not seen before. Over the last year, we saw patterns as long as 57' with HEAVY oil, to 20' with almost no oil. Even a true reverse block pattern.
There is a 300 pot that costs a dollar to enter and a lot of months it doesn't get hit and rolls over to the next month.
It's held the second Saturday of each month.
Milo, do I need a base pass to reach the bowling center?
Also, we prolly bowled at the same time or against each other during my time in match club. lol
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I disagree totally that it benefits the poor spare shooting 180-190 bowlers. I do believe they think it gives them a better chance, but they are exactly the ones who are the donators if a scratch bowler enters. High rev rate guys who try to exploit the THS are at the biggest disadvantage.
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No-Tap has a place in competitive bowling. And while I don't tend to do very well in them as I don't get handicap, I can see where it makes the sport much more enjoyable for a lot of people.
All the no tap tournaments in my area that I know are scratch. Our local center has a Scotch Doubles "No Tap" Tournment. It is all scratch. It gets a pretty good turn out.
I do bowl a Scratch No Tap each month. It's on Travis AFB in Fairfield CA. They have two divisions, a 170 average is the dividing line. $25 entry, three game No Tap, cut the field in half, change lanes and bowl another game, cut the field in half again, then change lanes and bowl the one last game for cash. 1st Place pays around $200 for each division.
Here is the catch, other than the month of December, it's NOT a house shot. Sometimes it's a PBA pattern, but as often as not, it's something you have not seen before. Over the last year, we saw patterns as long as 57' with HEAVY oil, to 20' with almost no oil. Even a true reverse block pattern.
There is a 300 pot that costs a dollar to enter and a lot of months it doesn't get hit and rolls over to the next month.
It's held the second Saturday of each month.
Milo, do I need a base pass to reach the bowling center?
Also, we prolly bowled at the same time or against each other during my time in match club. lol
You need to call the bowling alley at Travis and get on the gate list.
Around 5 PM on tournament day, they have someone with the list at the gate and you show them your Drivers License and they check it against the list and let you in. Otherwise, you need a sponsor or some kind of military ID. PM me if you want the number to the bowling alley. It's this Saturday for January, so you need to call them before Wednesday to make the list for the month. Once on the list, you will always be on the list.
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I disagree totally that it benefits the poor spare shooting 180-190 bowlers. I do believe they think it gives them a better chance, but they are exactly the ones who are the donators if a scratch bowler enters. High rev rate guys who try to exploit the THS are at the biggest disadvantage.
No issues, we will just have to agree to disagree. I know how our Match Club tournaments usually turn out and it's rare for a scratch bowler to win it.
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I have a No-Tap 1200... That is cool say but if it wasn't No-Tap it prolly would've been 860 (:
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I have a No-Tap 1200... That is cool say but if it wasn't No-Tap it prolly would've been 860 (:
Show off. :)
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I showed I could get at least 48 shots in a row
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I bowled in a fairly small 9 pin tourney a couple weeks ago. One bad shot each game (all spits, converted one). I think I had 4 or 5 9 pin strikes and those were all the first two games. Last game was a natural 265 (stupid split). Finished 2nd in the tournament without a 300 game; won none of the high game jackpots.
I was just using it as practice. I assumed after I missed a shot the first 2 games I was done. I suspect getting 2nd with no 300s was a fluke, but it did make me think about doing it again in the future.
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I just wanted to add a quick 2 cents here. Why do bowlers have issues with other bowlers bragging about their achievement? Do you belittle the kid who says he hit a home run by replying but you only play tee ball? That what I read here from some people. "real" bowlers wouldn't consider it an achievement. Why not. It was the maximum score for the rules being used. And you wonder why hdcp bowlers think some scratch guys are aholes. Way to prove their point.
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I just wanted to add a quick 2 cents here. Why do bowlers have issues with other bowlers bragging about their achievement? Do you belittle the kid who says he hit a home run by replying but you only play tee ball? That what I read here from some people. "real" bowlers wouldn't consider it an achievement. Why not. It was the maximum score for the rules being used. And you wonder why hdcp bowlers think some scratch guys are aholes. Way to prove their point.
You post this as if you never met us before. ;D ;D ;D
But honestly, this is exactly right. Let bowling be what each bowler wants it to be for themselves. It's no wonder why most people don't take the sport side of bowling seriously.
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"No Tap" is no different than the "everyone gets a trophy concept". It's a "GAME" that gives lower skilled bowlers a bigger chance to strike just as much as the higher skilled bowlers. You remove the challenge to carry and picking up the single pin spare. These are very important skills in ten pin bowling and they are completely removed from this game.
Is it fun? Yes.
Does draw in people? Most definitely.
Just calling it what it is. I rather hear someone telling me about their first 200 game or first 500 series or the time they threw 3 strikes in the tenth to beat the other team in league night. To me, those are bigger achievements.
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Still have to throw 12 good shots so I would say it can be an accomplishment in that aspect
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Every bowler at every level has accomplishments and each should gauge their own...I agree no one should belittle anyone for what they are proud of...
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Never had a real no tap 300. I guess I suck, :(.....
Everyone has a personal goal, I like people to just be happy with the sport and achieve something to keep the feeling alive.
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^^^^good answer^^^^
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I just wanted to add a quick 2 cents here. Why do bowlers have issues with other bowlers bragging about their achievement? Do you belittle the kid who says he hit a home run by replying but you only play tee ball? That what I read here from some people. "real" bowlers wouldn't consider it an achievement. Why not. It was the maximum score for the rules being used. And you wonder why hdcp bowlers think some scratch guys are aholes. Way to prove their point.
Well said. Some of these comments just prove that Haters are going to Hate. Its the spirit of the moment, doing the best you can playing by the rules of the tourney, and just plain having a good time. Is it a big achievment? Like said before, it depends on the individual. Is it a fun achievemnet? Should be unless you're just a total buzzkill.
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I just wanted to add a quick 2 cents here. Why do bowlers have issues with other bowlers bragging about their achievement? Do you belittle the kid who says he hit a home run by replying but you only play tee ball? That what I read here from some people. "real" bowlers wouldn't consider it an achievement. Why not. It was the maximum score for the rules being used. And you wonder why hdcp bowlers think some scratch guys are aholes. Way to prove their point.
Well said. Some of these comments just prove that Haters are going to Hate. Its the spirit of the moment, doing the best you can playing by the rules of the tourney, and just plain having a good time. Is it a big achievment? Like said before, it depends on the individual. Is it a fun achievemnet? Should be unless you're just a total buzzkill.
Many of us are on the same page, some aren't.
I think that bowling should be supported and bring back the times of when you were on a waiting list to open bowl, no lanes open on any league night and I feel that anything I can do, I will. If a bowler averages 150, enjoys the game and is respectful to himself and others, whether he uses two hands, one hand or four limbs, it does not matter to me. At least there is one more person who enjoys one of the things I do.
Watching a high school team yesterday, I saw the excitement of someone that rolled their first 200. Was that a big achievement, in my goals, no. But the individual who did it was elated, and that made me smile on the inside and outside.
At one time we were just beginning, some people peak at a higher level. Everybody's first 200, clean game, no tap 300 were big achievements to us at that time.
If I shoot another 300, it will be a big achievement to me since I have less than 10. For someone that has 100+ of those 300 games, they might think it is not. If I get my 800, same thing.
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Never had a real no tap 300. I guess I suck, :(.....
Everyone has a personal goal, I like people to just be happy with the sport and achieve something to keep the feeling alive.
plus 1 on this.
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Maybe our definition of "BIG ACHIEVMENT" is different.
Example: I watched a young man throw his first 300 game this past weekend. A great thing to watch! Someone got his last shot on video. What awesome memory to have on video. Especially since his parents were not there to see it. His reaction was priceless. Everyone hugging him and congratulating him. Personally, I will never forget it!
Example 2:Several weeks ago. I watch a very young girl throw her first 100 game. Her parents went crazy. She was excited. It was great moment for her. She had come close so many times before and she finally did it.
To me those are BIG ACHIEVEMENTS in bowling.
This is not about belittling someone. I just don't see a No Tap 300 game as a BIG ACHIEVEMENT. It's something unique but I don't think of it as a milestone.
I equate it to shooting a Dutch 200 game or picking up an 8-10 Split.
As stated earlier. It happens on my pair, high fives are happenning, free drinks are in order. I just don't see giving it the same type of reaction as my two examples above.
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Trash,
That's cause you are equating it to your goals. To someone who has never thrown a 300, someone who has never even been close to throwing a 300, someone who probably never will roll a "regulation" 300 game...to those people it is a BIG ACHIEVEMENT. Plus unless you are there watching, how do you the "no-tap" 300 wasn't a real 300? I stated in my earlier post, a bowler who bowls a weekly no-tap tournament at a house in Northern California. His mother started it and so he rolls it week in and week out. He did it when he was younger and still does it now even though he is a very accomplished scratch bowler. He rolled 36 straight strikes during this tournament once, real strikes, no 9 count strikes. That is a 900. Is it recognized, no. But is that not a BIG ACHIEVEMENT?!? So why say to someone who may roll a 300 with the help of a few "no-tap" strikes it's not a BIG ACHIEVEMENT to them or others?
Maybe our definition of "BIG ACHIEVMENT" is different.
Example: I watched a young man throw his first 300 game this past weekend. A great thing to watch! Someone got his last shot on video. What awesome memory to have on video. Especially since his parents were not there to see it. His reaction was priceless. Everyone hugging him and congratulating him. Personally, I will never forget it!
Example 2:Several weeks ago. I watch a very young girl throw her first 100 game. Her parents went crazy. She was excited. It was great moment for her. She had come close so many times before and she finally did it.
To me those are BIG ACHIEVEMENTS in bowling.
This is not about belittling someone. I just don't see a No Tap 300 game as a BIG ACHIEVEMENT. It's something unique but I don't think of it as a milestone.
I equate it to shooting a Dutch 200 game or picking up an 8-10 Split.
As stated earlier. It happens on my pair, high fives are happenning, free drinks are in order. I just don't see giving it the same type of reaction as my two examples above.
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Jorge,
A legit 300 game in a "no tap" is completely different. It is a "real" 300 game. 12 strikes in row. That is big.
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Trash,
But to a 150 average bowler, a no-tap 300 might be the only way they ever get one. To them it's as big as a "real" 300 is to a 200 average bowler who may only get 1 or 2 ever. That is what everyone is saying. To you, a no-tap 300 isn't a big deal, but to some it is, and it's not your place, nor mine to diminish that.
Jorge,
A legit 300 game in a "no tap" is completely different. It is a "real" 300 game. 12 strikes in row. That is big.
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and it's not your place, nor mine to diminish that
First. I am not going to go around the bowling center making less of the accomplishment. If this bowler approached me and told me their no tap 300. I would give congrats (Don't expect me to jump for joy). I am not going to take away anything from them. However, I am entitled to my opinion. If the conversation comes up on the subject. I am to going state my view on the matter. We disagree that is okay.
Again: I will say congrats and smile! (In the back of my mind I am thinking, "I am not impressed")
To me "no tap" is watered down game of bowling. Specific Rules removed to make it easier to score.
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Trash,
That's cause you are equating it to your goals. To someone who has never thrown a 300, someone who has never even been close to throwing a 300, someone who probably never will roll a "regulation" 300 game...to those people it is a BIG ACHIEVEMENT. Plus unless you are there watching, how do you the "no-tap" 300 wasn't a real 300? I stated in my earlier post, a bowler who bowls a weekly no-tap tournament at a house in Northern California. His mother started it and so he rolls it week in and week out. He did it when he was younger and still does it now even though he is a very accomplished scratch bowler. He rolled 36 straight strikes during this tournament once, real strikes, no 9 count strikes. That is a 900. Is it recognized, no. But is that not a BIG ACHIEVEMENT?!? So why say to someone who may roll a 300 with the help of a few "no-tap" strikes it's not a BIG ACHIEVEMENT to them or others?
Maybe our definition of "BIG ACHIEVMENT" is different.
Example: I watched a young man throw his first 300 game this past weekend. A great thing to watch! Someone got his last shot on video. What awesome memory to have on video. Especially since his parents were not there to see it. His reaction was priceless. Everyone hugging him and congratulating him. Personally, I will never forget it!
Example 2:Several weeks ago. I watch a very young girl throw her first 100 game. Her parents went crazy. She was excited. It was great moment for her. She had come close so many times before and she finally did it.
To me those are BIG ACHIEVEMENTS in bowling.
This is not about belittling someone. I just don't see a No Tap 300 game as a BIG ACHIEVEMENT. It's something unique but I don't think of it as a milestone.
I equate it to shooting a Dutch 200 game or picking up an 8-10 Split.
As stated earlier. It happens on my pair, high fives are happenning, free drinks are in order. I just don't see giving it the same type of reaction as my two examples above.
Good post, Jorge.
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I guess a no-tap tournament would have its place for lower average bowlers, but I wouldn't bowl one for anything. But I have talked to others around my average(usually 198-206 range) that have bowled them and I just don't get it.
I quit bowling around 1987 and didn't pick up a ball for 11 years. The highest I ever averaged the first go-round was 184. First league back 11 years later I was over 200. The equipment changes were unreal and with scores so high now, why would any decent bowler want to bowl no-tap?
You get a nine count and then it re-sets? Seems like a totally bizarre concept to me!
I never thought about it, but I would imagine I have had some no-tap 300s in leagues.
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Ok, there are scrambles in golf where everyone tees off and you hit from whoever hit the best shot. Scores are low. I have had people tell me the shot a low 60 playing a scramble. Nice score. Do I think think they are a pro golfer, no. Do I care if they think it is an impressive score, no. Say congrats and move on.
Same thing here. If a bowler thinks there no tap 300 is great. Good for them. If they want to "brag" about it. I let them. I have had people tell me they shot an 1138 game. I say good job and move on.
If someone is telling you about their score, for some reason they look up to you, or want your respect or acknowledgement or they are just showing off. Whatever, the reason, the world of bowling is a better place in my opinion if we all say "cool, I hope you keep bowling" and move along.
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Ok, there are scrambles in golf where everyone tees off and you hit from whoever hit the best shot. Scores are low. I have had people tell me the shot a low 60 playing a scramble. Nice score. Do I think think they are a pro golfer, no. Do I care if they think it is an impressive score, no. Say congrats and move on.
Same thing here. If a bowler thinks there no tap 300 is great. Good for them. If they want to "brag" about it. I let them. I have had people tell me they shot an 1138 game. I say good job and move on.
If someone is telling you about their score, for some reason they look up to you, or want your respect or acknowledgement or they are just showing off. Whatever, the reason, the world of bowling is a better place in my opinion if we all say "cool, I hope you keep bowling" and move along.
Amen! Let people enjoy the sport as they see fit.
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Ok, there are scrambles in golf where everyone tees off and you hit from whoever hit the best shot. Scores are low. I have had people tell me the shot a low 60 playing a scramble. Nice score. Do I think think they are a pro golfer, no. Do I care if they think it is an impressive score, no. Say congrats and move on.
Same thing here. If a bowler thinks there no tap 300 is great. Good for them. If they want to "brag" about it. I let them. I have had people tell me they shot an 1138 game. I say good job and move on.
If someone is telling you about their score, for some reason they look up to you, or want your respect or acknowledgement or they are just showing off. Whatever, the reason, the world of bowling is a better place in my opinion if we all say "cool, I hope you keep bowling" and move along.
+1 Great Post!
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Let's take another golf example.
A guy comes into the club house and mentions he shot his best round of golf. Had a score of 87 for 18 holes (First time he ever broke 90). He's telling everyone how well he did on every hole. Someone mentions to you that he shot that score from the red tees (He should be playing from white, there is no reason he should be playing the red tees).
What are your initial thoughts on his accomplishment? Are you impressed?
Just like you stated. I will say "Congrats"! However, but my initial thought is going to be "Why aren't trying for that score from the White tees?".
When approached by these people (TO REPEAT) I will say congrats! I am not going ruin their moment. It's not my place to (no argument from me on that). However it is my place to have my opinion on the subject and in my view a no tap 300 game doesn't mean squat.
As I stated in other replies I rather hear about a kid throwing their 1st 100 game or 300 series.
Oh by the way. The T-Ball reference. How about if it was an 8 year old kid in little league telling you he was hitting home runs over in the T-Ball field? The kid can't hit homeruns in the little league field. So he goes over to the T-Ball field and knocks them out of the park everytime! That is some Great Hitting!! Awesome!!! Way to Go!
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Why is he supposed to be playing from the white tees again?
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Trash,
Your golf example shows exactly what I was talking about. You are putting YOUR goals on others. Why should the guy be playing the white tees? Because you play from the white tees? Just because that is what you think everyone should play from there? Unless you are an oscar winning actor, you may say congrats, but your face will portray your real feelings....which won't make the person believe your flippant words.
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Yeah! I didn't explain it enough. Wrote it too fast.
I was trying to state that others tell you he can play from the white tees. It's not your opinion or mine. He has the ability to play from the white, but chooses the red because he can score better.
I am not backing down. I guess these people will have to live through my facial expression of not being impressed. If it upsets them that much, they need to grow up. Sorry, welcome to the real world. You are not going to impress everyone you meet.
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And when you mention that you cashed for the first time in a tour tournament last week, the 10-year pro gives a 'not-impressed' look and says nothing?
No, he congratulates you. C'mon, guys, be ambassadors to the sport.
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LOL! The subject has changed from me saying "Congrats!" Then buying the guy a drink with my own personal thought that it is NOT a "Big Achievement" in Bowling!
to "I say congrats!" My face is going to show I am not impressed and upset the guy.
to "Now I say nothing to the guy!"
I can't wait to see what I will do next: (Any ideas)
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Cartwheels down lane 1?
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This brings up something I have observed for years in bowling that does not seem present in other sports. It always amazes me how upset top tier bowlers ( even tour guys ) get over the inflated scoring at local levels. I have yet to understand how a top tier bowler can take it as a personal affront that local league bowlers average 220+ on house shots. Of course it is easier. So what. It still take skill to average that high on anything, even if those guys don't have the versatility to score on a 47 foot sport pattern. I watch a bunch of high golfers break 60 in a tournament on a 6000 yard muni, and I don't see Tiger Woods blasting them for scoring good on easy courses.
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Very,very true. Nobody cannibalizes bowlers more thoroughly than other bowlers.