Post by: cheech on April 23, 2009, 03:31:45 AM
is the general public opinion that bowling is just an activity or a real sport?
what could i argue that would make it a sport?
heres what i have so far:
it has a professional tour just like golf
long tournaments require you to be in shape
it is a game of strategy
its not just a bunch of fat drunks throwing a ball down the lane
i will try to explain basic ball dynamics and oil patterns
thanks for everyones help
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greatest accomplishment:shooting 603 and not shooting one 200 game(130,173,300)...lol
p.s. go leftys
Post by: Buddy Christ on April 23, 2009, 11:36:56 AM
Sport- an active diversion requiring physical exertion and competition
Activity- any specific behavior
To give a good closing argument, make sure you relate these two definitions as much as you can.
Edited on 4/23/2009 11:38 AM
Post by: BKloss on April 23, 2009, 11:41:36 AM
golf you can see the hazards (water trees sand) bowling the hazards are invisible for the most part until your throw
-as far as ball dynamics, maybe a timeline? Plastic vs urethane etc
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Post by: psaunders300 on April 23, 2009, 11:42:26 AM
My 16 yr old son just completed a paper on bowling as a sport for school and used some of the same points that you and Buddy Christ mentioned. It has a lot of parallels to golf, so using that as a comparison is a good approach.
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Post by: cheech on April 23, 2009, 11:45:47 AM
i might put a slide of the different big words that go with bowling like RG, Differential etc then maybe put up a lane graph
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HG:300x2(SR300 both)
HS:792(SR300)
2004 NYSPHSAA team champions
2007 NYSPHSAA individual high game(300) and series(1411-6 games)
arsenal: sauce rival arch rival dead flush blue vibe scout jazz SR300 plastic
sacred heart university bowling, frosh.
greatest accomplishment:shooting 603 and not shooting one 200 game(130,173,300)...lol
p.s. go leftys
Post by: Buddy Christ on April 23, 2009, 11:51:32 AM
1). As in other professional sports, you get paid in bowling, but only if you bowl well, which is unlike other sports where everyone gets their piece for signing a contract. [People like hearing about money, and the competition factor for earning their 'cut' will further drive the importance of actually trying in the sport. Not just some fat drunk throwing a sphere.]
2). Although it's not of a high importance, add the risk of injury from certain areas of the body exposed to the amount of stress it takes to bowl.
3). Make the point of most of society not taking bowling seriously because they're not good at it.
Good luck!
Post by: another300 on April 23, 2009, 11:59:51 AM
Post by: dizzyfugu on April 23, 2009, 12:10:11 PM
Public perception is another thing, though.
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Post by: J_w73 on April 23, 2009, 12:16:11 PM
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cheech,
My 16 yr old son just completed a paper on bowling as a sport for school and used some of the same points that you and Buddy Christ mentioned. It has a lot of parallels to golf, so using that as a comparison is a good approach.
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Paul Saunders
USBC Bronze Level Coach
http://bowling.psaunders.net
It has changed alot in the last decade but many people don't view golf as a sport either. Most people think that if there isn't one on one physical confrontation then it isn't a sport.
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Post by: leftyinsnellville on April 23, 2009, 12:20:59 PM
Overweight people participate in professional sports all the time (almost every NFL offensive lineman).
Some overweight athletes are even drinking while playing their sport (John Daly can't play golf without at least some alcohol in his system, and David Wells claims he was intoxicated when he threw his perfect game in '98).
Post by: echidapus on April 23, 2009, 12:39:38 PM
Is wrestling a sport? It's sports "entertainment"
What is more pressure then throwing your 36th strike in a row while prebowling?
The spelling Bee is also on ESPN is that a sport?
is Poker a sport?
Risk of injuries in bowling and warming up and training/practicing?
Bowling 2 handed has more physical training ability and more athleticism then 1 handed.
It's a Winter "sport"
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Post by: pin-chaser on April 23, 2009, 02:51:17 PM
2. Bowling has been an olympic spectator sport (asking for perment status)
3. Bowling has a European Tour as well
4. Bowling in other countries in growing astoundingly
5. There is the Weber Cup - Bowlers around the world compete.
6. There is Team USA both Adult and juniors
... I could go on despite that I beleive bowling is NOT a sport and is not treated as a sport. But here are some good points to include... just dont let me be the audience.
Post by: Kid Jete on April 23, 2009, 02:54:28 PM
Post by: Dan Belcher on April 23, 2009, 02:59:16 PM
quote:Just curious, but how so? (I personally see a lot of similarities)
Bowling is about as close to golf as it is to checkers. I don't understand why people compare the two. Yeah every sport has some kind of similarity if you compare two of them but come on. If anything I think golf is about the complete opposite of bowling.
Post by: jd1319 on April 23, 2009, 10:17:29 PM
As far as ESPN showing bowling, they also show the National Spelling Bee.
Post by: JPezza on April 23, 2009, 10:25:06 PM
Post by: Baboon on April 23, 2009, 10:35:25 PM
Scrabble has a professional tour as well, and requires plenty of endurance to complete a tournament.
Post by: DON DRAPER on April 23, 2009, 10:47:11 PM
Post by: AngloBowler on April 24, 2009, 07:32:45 AM
I think that if you're going to try and decide whether bowling is a sport, then there's no real debate. In the broadest definition of the word (i.e. that given in teh dictionary) there can be no doubt, Bowling is a sport.
If you choose to put additional qualifiers on what defines a sport, then that's up to you, but it likely reflects your biases based on what sports you like.
I have often seen the comment that there's no sport without defense. The implication being that if you can't respond in a direct, confrontational way to your opponents behaviour then it's not a sport. I would contend that it's simply a different kind of sport.
Besides, in bowling you can do a number of things that directly affect your opponent:
Changing the oil in a part of the lane they're playing
altering the tempo of the game to mess with their rhythm
and there are probably others I can't be arsed to think of.
I will grant you, bowling isn't what I would call an athletic sport, in that there is no real significant demand for aerobic fitness or large amounts of physical strength or speed. Bowling, instead, requires other abilities, that are no less worthy, just less obvious.
Over the last few years I've come to the conclusion that if someone believes bowling is not a sport, there's no point in arguing. Usually they've arrived at their decision as a result of an assumption that they're not willing to recant (such as mentioned above).
As for the OP.
I would say that bowling, competitively, requires a skill level above that found in the general population. Open bowling is to the sport of bowling as a touch football game is to the NFL, the former being a friendly game you enjoy in your leisure time, the latter being a sporting competition.
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Post by: Buddy Christ on April 24, 2009, 07:47:15 AM
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I think bowling, and golf are games. IMO, sports are competitions where it's you against someone else, and you each have the ability to directly influence your opponet. In bowling, you put up your best score and can only hope it's good enough. Same for golf. Tennis, your opponet makes a great shot, but you still have a chance to make a great play of your own. Basketball, Baseball, Football, Hockey, etc...
As far as ESPN showing bowling, they also show the National Spelling Bee.
Just a quick question.
Would drying out a certain section of the lane, or trying to push oil further down to benefit your shot be considered influencing an opponent?
Post by: formosasproshop on April 24, 2009, 06:24:37 PM
However, a group of us along with CTF (Canadian TenPin Federation)fought and we managed to get bowling on the list of APPROVED SPORTS for the tax credit. More info on this can be found at http://www.cra-arc.gc.ca/whtsnw/chcklst-eng.html
A few definitions of what is sport grabbed from around the web
~ an active diversion requiring physical exertion and competition. Believe me if you haven't bowled 21 games in a day (or weekend for that matter) you don't know how physically draining bowling can be. And anyone who has bowled on $$$ leagues you know how much competition there can be!!
~ the occupation of athletes who compete for pay. Need I say more??
~ Sport is an activity that is governed by a set of rules or customs and often engaged in competitively. There are numerous governing parties. Most common are PBA, USBC, CTF, etc..
~ Sports commonly refer to activities where the physical capabilities of the competitor are the sole or primary determinant of the outcome. Isn't that the reason why there are those in the PBA and then the rest of us? Those who have the physical capabilities rise to the top in any alley.
~ Sport is commonly defined as an organized, competitive and skillful physical activity requiring commitment and fair play. USBC, CTF, PBA any certified league is considered an organized, competitive league. And many top end bowler knows how skillful you must be to maintain our 200+ averages.
~ Some view sports as differing from games based on the fact that there are usually higher levels of organization and profit (not always monetary) involved in sports. PBA?? Sport Leagues??
~ Accurate records are kept and updated for most sports at the highest levels, while failures and accomplishments are widely announced in sport news. Yearbooks are kept, records are kept, there are numerous bowling hall of fames. In our city a lot of the leagues are published weekly in the newspaper sports section.
Hope some of this helped you out.
Post by: Kid Jete on April 24, 2009, 09:48:38 PM
quote:quote:Just curious, but how so? (I personally see a lot of similarities)
Bowling is about as close to golf as it is to checkers. I don't understand why people compare the two. Yeah every sport has some kind of similarity if you compare two of them but come on. If anything I think golf is about the complete opposite of bowling.
What do yu mean how so? You mean how not? There's nothing similar. What edactly is similar? If they were anything alike bowling wouldnt be in the crapper right now. Golf is ones of the highest revenue sports in the world. Walking up to a line and throwing a ball is NOTHING close to a golf swing. I know because I have done both for a long time and even golf professionally. Other than them being pretty much individual sports there's nothing similar. Bowling is a joke compared to golf. I'm sorry but it's true.
Post by: evildoctor on April 24, 2009, 09:55:12 PM
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Bowling is a joke compared to golf. I'm sorry but it's true.
Then why do golfers dress like clowns and drive around in those little clown carts?
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Post by: jorr19 on April 24, 2009, 09:58:10 PM
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Post by: Buddy Christ on April 24, 2009, 09:59:07 PM
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What do yu mean how so? You mean how not? There's nothing similar. What edactly is similar? If they were anything alike bowling wouldnt be in the crapper right now. Golf is ones of the highest revenue sports in the world. Walking up to a line and throwing a ball is NOTHING close to a golf swing. I know because I have done both for a long time and even golf professionally. Other than them being pretty much individual sports there's nothing similar. Bowling is a joke compared to golf. I'm sorry but it's true.
So, making an accurate shot, timing on your 'swing', choosing the right equipment for the 'shot'.. are all not related?
Just curious.
Post by: jnblues on April 24, 2009, 10:19:47 PM
Post by: cheech on April 24, 2009, 10:46:25 PM
bowling balls=golf clubs
both mostly singles events
no defense in both
professional level both based on national tours
both are more mental than physical games
swinging the ball can be like slicing a golf ball
reading greens is like reading lane oil except you may be able to see slight bumps on the greens
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HG:300x2(SR300 both)
HS:792(SR300)
2004 NYSPHSAA team champions
2007 NYSPHSAA individual high game(300) and series(1411-6 games)
arsenal: sauce rival arch rival dead flush blue vibe scout jazz SR300 plastic
sacred heart university bowling, frosh.
greatest accomplishment:shooting 603 and not shooting one 200 game(130,173,300)...lol
p.s. go leftys
Post by: Blows on April 24, 2009, 11:46:21 PM
Why would you think its not a sport? If its not a sport what is it?
Is napcar a sport]
Post by: Gazoo on April 25, 2009, 08:48:02 AM
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