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General Category => Miscellaneous => Topic started by: michael.willis9 on August 16, 2019, 12:00:15 PM
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Now thats been out for a little while, i was wondering what everyone thought of it. Videos on youtube seem to like it but i also think some of those in the videos have deals with said companies that use it.
I was looking at the new Hero or the OG prowler but wanna know if its worth it
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I'll put it this way. Dynamicore is much like Columbia's HyperShock technology
Do I think it changes carry percentage? Yes. I've definitely tripped out buckets/half-buckets/double wood more than I ever have in the past. Carried some bad shots I thought were easy Flat 10s or light 7-10.
Is it something I look for as a priority when buying a ball? No. Reaction and fit are priority for me, Dynamicore is just a plus on top if it's there. I've definitely recommended more balls with Dynamicore those with slower ball speed though.
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"Technology" such as Dynamicore claims to increase a bowling ball's Coefficient of Restitution. However, the USBC sets limits on how much CoR a ball is permitted to have. It must be in a range of 0.650 - 0.750. So unless balls without Dynamicore or Hypershock, [or whatever manufacturers choose to call it] are being made to the minimum requirement, the overall effect of these "energy transferring" materials being used in some balls is most likely negligible at best. Is an increase in CoR of 0.100 really going to result in a significant increase in pin carry?
I am a huge fan of Brunswick/Radical/DV8 equipment, but I couldn't care less if a ball has Dynamicore in it or not. I am looking more at coverstock type, surface prep, and RG/Diff numbers when I decide on a ball. Choose the ball that best fits what you are looking for. If it happens to have Dynamicore, then so be it. If it doesn't, you probably won't notice a bit of difference.
If Brunswick really wants to demonstrate the "benefits" of Dynamicore, they could do a ThrowBot video where they take a ball such as the Hero and have one made with Dynamicore and one without. Put them in ThrowBot with the same layout and on the same lane condition and see if there is a real difference in pin carry over the course of a game or two. People would love to see that.
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"Technology" such as Dynamicore claims to increase a bowling ball's Coefficient of Restitution. However, the USBC sets limits on how much CoR a ball is permitted to have. It must be in a range of 0.650 - 0.750. So unless balls without Dynamicore or Hypershock, [or whatever manufacturers choose to call it] are being made to the minimum requirement, the overall effect of these "energy transferring" materials being used in some balls is most likely negligible at best. Is an increase in CoR of 0.100 really going to result in a significant increase in pin carry?
I am a huge fan of Brunswick/Radical/DV8 equipment, but I couldn't care less if a ball has Dynamicore in it or not. I am looking more at coverstock type, surface prep, and RG/Diff numbers when I decide on a ball. Choose the ball that best fits what you are looking for. If it happens to have Dynamicore, then so be it. If it doesn't, you probably won't notice a bit of difference.
If Brunswick really wants to demonstrate the "benefits" of Dynamicore, they could do a ThrowBot video where they take a ball such as the Hero and have one made with Dynamicore and one without. Put them in ThrowBot with the same layout and on the same lane condition and see if there is a real difference in pin carry over the course of a game or two. People would love to see that.
+1. Even 2 piece carry can be overrated I believe (tend to do well with them though so still a fan). I think the higher RG retaining energy has as much to do with it as no filler.
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thanks guys, this has been helpful.
I currently have an After Dark Pearl, Hyroad Live (overseas version of OG hyroad), turmoil solid and a Halo pearl.
So i have a nice big gap inbetween the turmoil and the hyroad, but i also am generally throwing the hyroad and AD Pearl for most nights on house.
i was looking for something with a little more gitup than the hyroad
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HYPE.
Anyone who claims different is either gullible, staffer or silly fanboy.
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I don't have any Dynamicore balls but I do have one Hypershock Columbia ball. I do get some impressive messengers and on dead flush hits it just makes a louder crack at the pins than my other equipment. That being said, that ball can also flat 10 with the best of them. Overall I'd say it hits marginally harder but not enough to overcome bad angle and matchups. I'm certain that it's the same story with Dynamicore.
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Louder crack has been claimed by every manufacturer since I began bowling.
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thanks guys, this has been helpful.
I currently have an After Dark Pearl, Hyroad Live (overseas version of OG hyroad), turmoil solid and a Halo pearl.
So i have a nice big gap inbetween the turmoil and the hyroad, but i also am generally throwing the hyroad and AD Pearl for most nights on house.
i was looking for something with a little more gitup than the hyroad
Volt!
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Louder crack has been claimed by every manufacturer since I began bowling.
Of course they do, but those were my ears noticing the noise. I'm not a Columbia honk.
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thanks guys, this has been helpful.
I currently have an After Dark Pearl, Hyroad Live (overseas version of OG hyroad), turmoil solid and a Halo pearl.
So i have a nice big gap inbetween the turmoil and the hyroad, but i also am generally throwing the hyroad and AD Pearl for most nights on house.
i was looking for something with a little more gitup than the hyroad
I don't know what the hyroad is like but I can tell you the hero is a skid flip piece that actually played pretty strong for me. The OG prowler is a little more tame and really only comes into play for me after a few games and the lanes dry up.
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thanks guys, this has been helpful.
I currently have an After Dark Pearl, Hyroad Live (overseas version of OG hyroad), turmoil solid and a Halo pearl.
So i have a nice big gap inbetween the turmoil and the hyroad, but i also am generally throwing the hyroad and AD Pearl for most nights on house.
i was looking for something with a little more gitup than the hyroad
I don't know what the hyroad is like but I can tell you the hero is a skid flip piece that actually played pretty strong for me. The OG prowler is a little more tame and really only comes into play for me after a few games and the lanes dry up.
Hy-Road is a weaker black quantum that reads the mid lane a bit better and at least for me hits better as well.
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I have a Pitbull Bite (no dynamicore) and a Pitbull Bark (dynamicore) and I don't notice any carry difference. Maybe I'm not good enough. I did leave several solid 9 pins (lefty) with the Bark in summer league.
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Hype.
Take two different shaped cores, but with the exact same numbers, say 2.50 - 0.042, use the same cover stock, drill them identical and have ThrowBot do it's thing. All things being equal, they should roll identical. Numbers are numbers, science is science.
There is no magic core or cover stock. A core defines spin (early spin, late spin), the cover stock defines length, the bowlers axis rotation, axis tilt and speed define everything else. It's the magic combination of a particular core and cover that matches your physical game that makes a ball special.
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Different shapes = different after drilled numbers.
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Hype.
Take two different shaped cores, but with the exact same numbers, say 2.50 - 0.042, use the same cover stock, drill them identical and have ThrowBot do it's thing. All things being equal, they should roll identical. Numbers are numbers, science is science.
There is no magic core or cover stock. A core defines spin (early spin, late spin), the cover stock defines length, the bowlers axis rotation, axis tilt and speed define everything else. It's the magic combination of a particular core and cover that matches your physical game that makes a ball special.
Not saying I don't agree with the "hype" opinion, but Dynamicore is the outer core (filler). It supposedly hits harder than traditional filler. It also (again supposedly) replaces the need for 2 piece equipment, thus retaining the core shapes at multiple weights.
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The effect is going to be slight and probably barely noticeable. If it was all that then every other manufacturer would have had their own version out by now as the Brunswick guys/gals would be dominating on tour. Big B has some good balls out but whether a ball had dynamicore would be like item 78 on my list on whether to buy a ball.
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Just another marketing scheme to sell more balls
Every company has had them at one time or another
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Just another marketing scheme to sell more balls
Every company has had them at one time or another
This, just like the carbon fiber thing from Hammer, and Hypershock from Columbia. All the companies are put in a box from the USBC on regulations so they have limited ability to really change things, so they just let the marketing teams put a spin on it. No offense to anyone in industry that comes on here, i'm an engineer myself and constantly deal with our marketing team grasp at straws and spin things and it is slowly killing me inside.
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Just another marketing scheme to sell more balls
Every company has had them at one time or another
This, just like the carbon fiber thing from Hammer, and Hypershock from Columbia. All the companies are put in a box from the USBC on regulations so they have limited ability to really change things, so they just let the marketing teams put a spin on it. No offense to anyone in industry that comes on here, i'm an engineer myself and constantly deal with our marketing team grasp at straws and spin things and it is slowly killing me inside.
i guess the flip side then is why do they even add it in the first place? i guess there's probably not a way to look into the details of it, but is it more cost efficient or less to make a ball with the DOT and Dynamicore? and if its less efficient, does it sell more to make up for the cost efficiencies?
Same with the Carbon Fiber you pointed out? i'd imagine its more expensive to make a ball with it? but is it worth it for the company to do it if it didn't have added value?
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Just another marketing scheme to sell more balls
Every company has had them at one time or another
This, just like the carbon fiber thing from Hammer, and Hypershock from Columbia. All the companies are put in a box from the USBC on regulations so they have limited ability to really change things, so they just let the marketing teams put a spin on it. No offense to anyone in industry that comes on here, i'm an engineer myself and constantly deal with our marketing team grasp at straws and spin things and it is slowly killing me inside.
i guess the flip side then is why do they even add it in the first place? i guess there's probably not a way to look into the details of it, but is it more cost efficient or less to make a ball with the DOT and Dynamicore? and if its less efficient, does it sell more to make up for the cost efficiencies?
Same with the Carbon Fiber you pointed out? i'd imagine its more expensive to make a ball with it? but is it worth it for the company to do it if it didn't have added value?
Why would it cost more? The extra ink to print the latest propaganda?
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Just another marketing scheme to sell more balls
Every company has had them at one time or another
This, just like the carbon fiber thing from Hammer, and Hypershock from Columbia. All the companies are put in a box from the USBC on regulations so they have limited ability to really change things, so they just let the marketing teams put a spin on it. No offense to anyone in industry that comes on here, i'm an engineer myself and constantly deal with our marketing team grasp at straws and spin things and it is slowly killing me inside.
i guess the flip side then is why do they even add it in the first place? i guess there's probably not a way to look into the details of it, but is it more cost efficient or less to make a ball with the DOT and Dynamicore? and if its less efficient, does it sell more to make up for the cost efficiencies?
Same with the Carbon Fiber you pointed out? i'd imagine its more expensive to make a ball with it? but is it worth it for the company to do it if it didn't have added value?
Why would it cost more? The extra ink to print the latest propaganda?
well, the cost of researching? material cost? id imagine those are higher than what is normally used when making a bowling ball
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The guys at Lanes Side Reviews seem to believe in a lot, although I think it's silly they way they call out some carries as dynamicore hits.
I think if someone believes in what brunswick says, they will get some lucky carries and tell them self it's dynamicore. Maybe it was, maybe it wasn't, but this is how the mind works.
A long time ago when I used a Fire Quantum (an original) I thought that gave better carry. I objectively did have better scores and more strikes with it. So I've always believed 2 piece balls are better. But then years later had a Seismic Eupohric TSE, and that was a great ball with a super thin outer shell (eventually that ball cracked).
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The guys at Lanes Side Reviews seem to believe in a lot, although I think it's silly they way they call out some carries as dynamicore hits.
I think if someone believes in what brunswick says, they will get some lucky carries and tell them self it's dynamicore. Maybe it was, maybe it wasn't, but this is how the mind works.
A long time ago when I used a Fire Quantum (an original) I thought that gave better carry. I objectively did have better scores and more strikes with it. So I've always believed 2 piece balls are better. But then years later had a Seismic Eupohric TSE, and that was a great ball with a super thin outer shell (eventually that ball cracked).
OT but TSE balls have thin shells? Darn squirreled away a Desperado. Hope it doesn't crack. I hear ya about a certain ball making you believe in 2 piece balls. OG Hy-Road did for me but sadly found most 2 piece balls don't have that magic.
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Call it what you want, but we drill hundreds of balls a year in our pro shop, and have had many balls across all manufacturers crack over the years. But, since DynamiCore has come out, in the 3+ years we have drilled those balls, and there are hundreds of them that have left our shop, only ONE has ever come back cracked. THAT can not be said by ANY other manufacturers balls that we sell, so you can say the COR stuff is hype, but our numbers don't lie when it comes to more durability with the DynamiCore outer core material.
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Hype.
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Might be able to buy the increased durability argument (with DOT and 4 year warranty at least backing up the hype) but its the fairy dust magical carry hype that have a problem with which is mostly what is pushed at least with dynamicore.
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Call it what you want, but we drill hundreds of balls a year in our pro shop, and have had many balls across all manufacturers crack over the years. But, since DynamiCore has come out, in the 3+ years we have drilled those balls, and there are hundreds of them that have left our shop, only ONE has ever come back cracked. THAT can not be said by ANY other manufacturers balls that we sell, so you can say the COR stuff is hype, but our numbers don't lie when it comes to more durability with the DynamiCore outer core material.
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Call it what you want, but we drill hundreds of balls a year in our pro shop, and have had many balls across all manufacturers crack over the years. But, since DynamiCore has come out, in the 3+ years we have drilled those balls, and there are hundreds of them that have left our shop, only ONE has ever come back cracked. THAT can not be said by ANY other manufacturers balls that we sell, so you can say the COR stuff is hype, but our numbers don't lie when it comes to more durability with the DynamiCore outer core material.
I like your style Northface; it is very distinct.
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I don't know if the carry is any different. Personally I assume every ball is manufactured at the maximum allowed COR. Having said that, I'll tell you without a doubt that my Zing sounds significantly different than my Storm/Roto stuff when it hits the pins. I'm NOT claiming that 'different' is better, but I'm confident that I could throw all of my balls blindfolded and easily identify which one was the Zing based on sound alone.
So... if every ball is manufactured at the COR limit, I would believe it's just hype, but we don't have any hard evidence that this is the case. Unless someone can link me?
But more importantly, even if we assume every ball is at the COR limit, the material that connects the Core of the ball to the cover of the ball, would still matter. Anyone who plays golf will tell you without a doubt, that inner layers, materials, etc make MASSIVE differences in the golf world. Obviously a Golf ball compresses and magnifies all of the inner materials and their effect on the flight of a golf ball (speed, spin, lift, etc)
So, for anyone who thinks all filler material is the same and doesn't matter, I would point to Golf Balls as the foundation of why you would be wrong. There should be a way to measure the impact/energy transferred from a ball to a pin, but no one seems to care to quantify it.
People also need to keep in mind, that as far as the grand scheme of sports and technology, bowling is still somewhat in the dark ages in my opinion at least. Bowling hasn't even began the ascent of what could be coming in the future. We all just assume that bowling ball technology can't progress any further, but that's just due to the lack of R&D in this sport compared to others. Some day a new revelation will change the way we look at bowling balls, in a way that we can't even fathom today.
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My PSO told me that a Brunswick rep was doing a demo at his shop.
He has a golf ball sized sphere of DynamiCore and a sphere of the normal filler used in most bowling balls.
He dropped the normal filler sphere on the hard floor from a height of about 4 1/2 feet.
When it hit the ground it bounced up and down a few times and then came to rest.
Then he dropped the DynamiCore sphere from the same height.
It hit the ground and never moved a millimeter!
It was like it stuck to the ground like a piece of iron on a super magnet!
The point is, the DynamiCore sphere depleted all of its energy of motion into the floor and had nothing left to rebound with.
This material is like Captain America's shield.
It is not so much that it increases the COR to some illegal level, it is that it releases all of its energy of motion into whatever it hits.
That is why it increases the carry ability of a bowling ball.
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It is all marketing hype. CoR in a ball is limited by the USBC. Manufacturers want people to believe they have found a magic material that transfers energy while having no effect on the CoR numbers. If these magic fillers really made that much of a difference, all of the manufacturers would have their own version of such materials in their bowling balls.
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I see a difference when I switched from Hopkinsville poured stuff without dynamicore to the Brunswick stuff with it. I trip more high 4 pins and buckets, I carry on hits that are a bit off better.
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Its colored filler. Pre the buyout Hammer used orange cored filler for their marketing and Columbia used bright green for their marketing hype but they never applied this amazing technology to the Track or Ebonite brands.
Brunswick dynamicore was last to the game and they were slow to apply this must have amazing technology to DV8 and Radical.
Dynamicore, Hypershock, or Carbonfiber infused is as ground breaking as sliced bread.... except when they are trying to sell you on a ball with no filler then its the best thing ever. Back and forth, back and forth marketing hype
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I want a rubber core...or is it polyester? Or maybe just extra urethane??
https://123bowl.com/bowling-balls/ebonite/gyro-i-red/ (https://123bowl.com/bowling-balls/ebonite/gyro-i-red/)
Been going on for decades. Why not make the whole thing Continental rubber??? ;D
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My PSO told me that a Brunswick rep was doing a demo at his shop.
He has a golf ball sized sphere of DynamiCore and a sphere of the normal filler used in most bowling balls.
He dropped the normal filler sphere on the hard floor from a height of about 4 1/2 feet.
When it hit the ground it bounced up and down a few times and then came to rest.
Then he dropped the DynamiCore sphere from the same height.
It hit the ground and never moved a millimeter!
It was like it stuck to the ground like a piece of iron on a super magnet!
The point is, the DynamiCore sphere depleted all of its energy of motion into the floor and had nothing left to rebound with.
This material is like Captain America's shield.
It is not so much that it increases the COR to some illegal level, it is that it releases all of its energy of motion into whatever it hits.
That is why it increases the carry ability of a bowling ball.
ummm, I think you have a few misnomers in these statements. First COR would be 0 here for the dynamicore, since it had no velocity after the collision. That would constitute a perfectly inelastic collision.
The kinetic energy of the moving ball is lost to either deformation or in sticking to the other object, in this case the floor. I would believe this would be terrible for bowling. I would want a maximum COR so that all the energy of the ball is transferred to the pins and no energy is lost to deformation. It would be like using your driver in golf on a playdough ball and just having it stick to the club face.
Please correct me if i'm wrong here as I would still think if the filler absorbs all the energy of the collision, then you would get no effective pin motion when the ball hit them.
Are you sure you didn't get the two balls mixed up?