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bcw1969

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Is innovation truly dead?
« on: May 12, 2019, 03:04:39 PM »
In regards to bowling equipment, is innovation truly dead?  This sport has gone from wooden balls (lignum vitae) to rubber balls to plastic balls to urethane balls to dynamic cores to reactive resin balls and particle balls & hybrid balls like the helix and double helix and epoxy coverstocks(short lived) and from symmetric and then asymmetric cores.  Is there anything left to bring out that hasn't been done  before. Is there nowhere else to go with covers & cores to truly be innovative?

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michael.willis9

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Re: Is innovation truly dead?
« Reply #16 on: May 13, 2019, 02:18:47 PM »
i highly disagree with the idea that innovation is dead in any ways shape or form.

hell even in the last not even 6 months, we've seen the crux prime and the covert tank which are bringing out something new.

we're essentially common folk, sitting here trying to discuss innovation.  there's people whose job it is to come up with new stuff... it'll happen, they're researching things we can't even picture unless you've been working in the field forever but also have a forward thinking mind

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Re: Is innovation truly dead?
« Reply #17 on: May 13, 2019, 04:56:17 PM »
Always going to be room for innivation, but doesnt mean it will be successful.   The trend to urethane is interesting.  I have carried urethane since the natural came out.  However if I had a buck for every time I sot 250 out if the gate,  but with no good move in transition I would be rich.  Saw Buttruff and Svensson have the same problem last week.  Even with nearly 600 RPMs they cant over power the carrydown.
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ignitebowling

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Re: Is innovation truly dead?
« Reply #18 on: May 13, 2019, 09:12:03 PM »
i highly disagree with the idea that innovation is dead in any ways shape or form.

hell even in the last not even 6 months, we've seen the crux prime and the covert tank which are bringing out something new.

we're essentially common folk, sitting here trying to discuss innovation.  there's people whose job it is to come up with new stuff... it'll happen, they're researching things we can't even picture unless you've been working in the field forever but also have a forward thinking mind

What has either ball truly shown us we haven't seen before and is changing bowling? Creative marketing now considered innovation?
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Re: Is innovation truly dead?
« Reply #19 on: May 13, 2019, 10:23:10 PM »
The next innovation will be high RG balls that still hook a ton. The biggest benefits being, balls that are able to cover a ton of boards down lane/in friction. This way even on longer patterns, you still get some backend in that small window. Eventually they'll be able to find the right cover for a 2.56+ rg, z-axis spinner with a  .022+ diff, and regular diff of .058  in order to make this a reality.

itsallaboutme

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Re: Is innovation truly dead?
« Reply #20 on: May 14, 2019, 06:55:20 AM »
If there was any real money to be made making bowling balls you would see some true innovation instead of picking colors and names for existing cores and covers.

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Re: Is innovation truly dead?
« Reply #21 on: May 14, 2019, 07:33:29 AM »
I'd hope some innovation effort would be allocated to durability - but this would be easy when the covers would be 1" thick again.
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itsallaboutme

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Re: Is innovation truly dead?
« Reply #22 on: May 14, 2019, 08:40:51 AM »
What incentive do manufacturers have in making a more durable product if warranty claims are within their accepted range?  Consumers aren't going to pay more because they won't actually believe the product is more durable, and less product will be sold. A ball isn't like a bag or a shoe where you can see any improvement in the product. 

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Re: Is innovation truly dead?
« Reply #23 on: May 14, 2019, 09:09:11 AM »
The next generation of balls will be $300 and only last 50 games.

michael.willis9

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Re: Is innovation truly dead?
« Reply #24 on: May 14, 2019, 09:21:17 AM »
i highly disagree with the idea that innovation is dead in any ways shape or form.

hell even in the last not even 6 months, we've seen the crux prime and the covert tank which are bringing out something new.

we're essentially common folk, sitting here trying to discuss innovation.  there's people whose job it is to come up with new stuff... it'll happen, they're researching things we can't even picture unless you've been working in the field forever but also have a forward thinking mind

What has either ball truly shown us we haven't seen before and is changing bowling? Creative marketing now considered innovation?

maybe I'm naive but have we really seen this "low oil absorption" before?

itsallaboutme

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Re: Is innovation truly dead?
« Reply #25 on: May 14, 2019, 09:31:17 AM »
Yeah, usually by mistake.

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Re: Is innovation truly dead?
« Reply #26 on: May 14, 2019, 01:10:08 PM »
I'd hope some innovation effort would be allocated to durability - but this would be easy when the covers would be 1" thick again.

Well, we are seeing this now with Brunswick. The Quantum Bias is thick shell with no filler and also asymmetric. Also, DynamiCore technology is a game changer, as we have only seen (1) ball come back cracked in our shop the last two + years, which is SIGNIFICANTLY lower than everyone else. Add that to the increase in hitting power and it's a win / win. The DOT technology that Brunswick has out also massively reduces risk of cracking because the locator pin is a non factor with those balls. So no, innovation is not dead at all, just evolving like the sport itself.
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itsallaboutme

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Re: Is innovation truly dead?
« Reply #27 on: May 14, 2019, 01:50:50 PM »
No filler balls are cheaper to produce.  The cost of material is less than the labor for the added step in the process.  Some won't believe that, but it is true.

Don't mistake improvements in the manufacturing process as ball "innovation".  DOT is strictly to reduce warranty claims.  Somebody just finally figured out it's just as easy to glue the riser pin on the bottom of the core as the top.

And DynamiCore is marketing jargon.  COR is maxed out easily.  I had Chinese balls that tested at the max and those balls hit like dog shit.


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Re: Is innovation truly dead?
« Reply #28 on: May 14, 2019, 02:25:29 PM »
No filler balls are cheaper to produce.  The cost of material is less than the labor for the added step in the process.  Some won't believe that, but it is true.

Don't mistake improvements in the manufacturing process as ball "innovation".  DOT is strictly to reduce warranty claims.  Somebody just finally figured out it's just as easy to glue the riser pin on the bottom of the core as the top.

And DynamiCore is marketing jargon.  COR is maxed out easily.  I had Chinese balls that tested at the max and those balls hit like dog shit.

Filler allowed manufacturers to use one core across several ball weights. Im guessing to save cost vs a different core in each weight.
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Re: Is innovation truly dead?
« Reply #29 on: May 14, 2019, 02:29:00 PM »
i highly disagree with the idea that innovation is dead in any ways shape or form.

hell even in the last not even 6 months, we've seen the crux prime and the covert tank which are bringing out something new.

we're essentially common folk, sitting here trying to discuss innovation.  there's people whose job it is to come up with new stuff... it'll happen, they're researching things we can't even picture unless you've been working in the field forever but also have a forward thinking mind

What has either ball truly shown us we haven't seen before and is changing bowling? Creative marketing now considered innovation?

maybe I'm naive but have we really seen this "low oil absorption" before?

Yes. Not all bowling balls act like a sponge.


 If a manufacturer tells you something is innovative,  but isn't doing it in every ball they make going forward…..  it probably isn't a big deal.
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Re: Is innovation truly dead?
« Reply #30 on: May 14, 2019, 03:25:44 PM »
There is still more labor into a ball with filler.  It adds a step to the manufacturing process.  As I said, some won't believe it.  Less touches equals less cost.