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Randy Pedersen on "how to get more revs"
« on: May 18, 2012, 09:49:43 PM »
Just wondering what you all thought of this video.  I always thought revs were created by staying on the inside of the ball and turning my hand to the right during the release.  I generally try to cup my wrist throughout.  I even bought a Robby Revs just for that purpose.  The RR wrist brace has really added revs for me but would prevent me from "uncupping" as Randy describes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iStdGqRPsuA&feature=results_video&playnext=1&list=PLB0F709E848F857D6

 

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Re: Randy Pedersen on "how to get more revs"
« Reply #16 on: May 20, 2012, 05:56:40 PM »
but the Robert Smiths of the bowling world have not done that well,

Top 5 bowlers this year (Earnings):
Rash
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Fagan
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4 out 5 have massive rev rates.

Not saying that massive rev rates are the most important thing about bowling (they're not), but to say crankers and even super crankers haven't done well is completely false.

Its just more of that old school, cave man train of thought. ”Straighter is greater” is usually their catch phrase, you can still be straight through the front and have a 500 revrate. To imply that anyone on that list muscles, helps, or forces the ball is foolish.
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Re: Randy Pedersen on "how to get more revs"
« Reply #17 on: May 20, 2012, 06:16:51 PM »
Appreciate all the feedback but the point of my original post wasn't so much to question the "cranker vs stroker style of play, but to get opinions on Randy's video. In this room the advice to beginners trying to get more revs has generally been to stay to the inside of the ball and let your hand rotate naturally at the release point. I've never heard this "uncupping or unloading" style before. Do any of our higher rev players use this style? Do you unload in conjunction with the rotation of the hand?

I'd like to play around with it while practicing over the summer. Thanks again.

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Re: Randy Pedersen on "how to get more revs"
« Reply #18 on: May 20, 2012, 06:18:10 PM »
The link below takes you to an excellent video that analyzes various portions of the swing and release.  The last two segments show super slow motion video of some of the pros releases.  --  JohnP

Thanks John but I'm not seeing any link.

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Re: Randy Pedersen on "how to get more revs"
« Reply #19 on: May 21, 2012, 01:29:26 AM »
I've never heard this "uncupping or unloading" style before. Do any of our higher rev players use this style? Do you unload in conjunction with the rotation of the hand?

I'd like to play around with it while practicing over the summer. Thanks again.

To use the yo-yo comparison, you can't release the yo-yo unless you un-cup or "unload" the wrist. If you have a bowling ball in your hand and leave your wrist cupped (loaded) then you cannot get the thumb out fast enough to effectively help your rev rate. Not to mention the torque you are putting your wrist through thousands of times in a single season.


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Re: Randy Pedersen on "how to get more revs"
« Reply #20 on: May 21, 2012, 07:08:03 AM »
The reason your wrist support "gives you more revs" is it is keeping your wrist firm and not letting it flex back.  An additional effect of a wrist device is your thumb tends to exit the ball quicker when wearing one which is going to leave the ball on your fingers longer resulting in more revs.

If one were to believe Joe Slowinsky and other coaches, cupping and uncupping are less important than cocking and uncocking the hand and keeping the fingers in a strong position.  Check out Fagan in slow motion.  There is no question that the best release is a natural release.  But define "natural". 

Cranker or Power Release has to be learned.  There is nothing natural about it unless that is how you learned to bowl as a child. But any bowler can learn how to do it.  The question is how many want to put in the practice time to perfect it.
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Re: Randy Pedersen on "how to get more revs"
« Reply #21 on: May 21, 2012, 11:11:51 AM »
Sorry, I forgot to paste the link in my previous post, have edited it, plus here it is again:  --  JohnP

http://wiki.bowlingchat.net/wiki/index.php?title=Analysis_of_the_Modern_10_Pin_Swing_%26_Release_Video

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Re: Randy Pedersen on "how to get more revs"
« Reply #22 on: May 22, 2012, 03:24:18 AM »
The statement from Handscorpio saying a statement is false is uncalled for, if read correctly, I used the word "that" which means in comparison to hundreds of strokers and tweeners over the many years bowling has been in existence.  Every walk of life has exceptions to the rule, so please, keep the nit-picking to yourself.

If the one starting this thread wishes more info on the wrist release, google ron c's coaching site, very informative.

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Re: Randy Pedersen on "how to get more revs"
« Reply #23 on: May 22, 2012, 06:22:17 AM »
What RP mentions in the vid is one way of doing it that you see with a lot of younger players. It looks almost painful when you see the jerky motion and how they are trying to hit on the ball. It isn't something I wouldn't recommend or want to know what kind of pain or problems it may cause later on.
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Re: Randy Pedersen on "how to get more revs"
« Reply #24 on: May 22, 2012, 06:52:19 AM »
Revs are helpful, at times, but not the essence of bowling. As clay (and charlest) stated, bowling is about repeating and controlling what you do. If revs do not come naturally, live with it or work gradually on the issue, if you feel that revs and speed do not match well and/or the lane conditions.

But for most of the time, those players who complain about a lack of revs simply suffer from a crappy release. The funny thing is that a wrist support helps in so far that it keeps the wrist staright or even cupped, helping getting a better leverage onto the ball, creating some more revs. But those artificial extra revs are futile because the basic release (e. g. topping the ball, because the wrist is firm but not the arm) is still poor.

It's so easy to delude yourself, and the bowling industry supports this attitude. More hook? Buy the next best high end ball. Or wait for the next, because it is supposed to hoom even more, etc. Or buy a wrist support - the bigger, the better. But taking that step back and admitting that EXECUTION could be the true problem, that's something rarely heard of... ;)
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Re: Randy Pedersen on "how to get more revs"
« Reply #25 on: May 22, 2012, 10:13:11 AM »
The statement from Handscorpio saying a statement is false is uncalled for, if read correctly, I used the word "that" which means in comparison to hundreds of strokers and tweeners over the many years bowling has been in existence.  Every walk of life has exceptions to the rule, so please, keep the nit-picking to yourself.

If the one starting this thread wishes more info on the wrist release, google ron c's coaching site, very informative.

Uncalled for? Nitpicking?

You posted your thoughts with supporting arguments.  I disagreed with one of your supporting arguments, and backed it up with some of my own.  How is that nitpicking?  At no point did I insult you in any way besides saying that I thought you were wrong.  How is that uncalled for?  If you want a discussion where everyone blindly agrees with you, go talk to your mother.

"Bowlers like Robert Smith haven't done that well..." does NOT mean compared to other people over the entire history of bowling.  It means he and bowlers like him haven't done very well.  "Bowlers like Robert Smith haven't done that well compared to strokers historically" or even "Bowlers like Robert Smith haven't done AS well historically" would've both worked, but that isn't what you said.  I would've "read it correctly" if you wrote it correctly.  Even then, I'd still disagree with what you.  Who cares what strokers have done historically compared to crankers?  The game is different now.