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General Category => Miscellaneous => Topic started by: stopncrank on February 18, 2013, 09:45:49 AM
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http://www.kegel.net/V3/PatternLibraryPattern.aspx?ID=602
Anybody have experience on this pattern lately? If so, what type of bowler are you and what types of equipment seemed to work the best for you? What type of lane surface was it on?
My state tournament is on this pattern, and one of the host centers is an older wood lane house, should be interesting! Im trying to gather as much info as I can on the tendencies of the pattern for my team. We are going to put it down in our home center, but wont be able to gather much from that because we have HPL's and the host centers have different surfaces.
Stopncrank
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I thought that Easy Street was close to a house shot.
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Are you kidding? 7.9:1 oil ratio and 38 feet long? Screams house shot and your state tourney is being held on this easy shot? Embarrassing.
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Scorefest. I agree with LGD. But remember, people will balk at tough stuff. This way, they can say they bowled on a "Kegel" pattern and shot the lights out!@
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Oh yeah no kidding here, but the track record our state officials have with patterns recently hasnt been great, so I figure they are doing this in an effort to gain entries they lost in previous attempts, most recently it was USBC Blue 2 years ago, and some sort of "modified Cheetah" last year, which produced some horrendous scores combined with centers that had less than favorable lane surfaces.
Heard of 230 avg guys shooting in the 1500's for 9 lol.
At any rate, I figured it would be similar to a THS just by looks and length.
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That's a shame. You'd think the state tourney would be bowled on something like the U.S. Open pattern or something else legitimate instead of something to pull back the bowlers that got their egos bruised. Sad.
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Nothing new. Bowlers are whiners all the way around.
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I wish this was the standard house shot!!!
Shot 834 for 4 games in a tournament late last year. Made the semi final rounds, lost in the 1st round of elimination match play 226-219.
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Kegel Easy Street is a recreational pattern, which is their fancy way of saying house shot/house china etc....! Very easy pattern and high scoring pattern!! When we got our new Kegel lane machine a few years ago we experimented with the patterns. Easy Street was a strikefest and I used a 900 Global Bank Pearl in city tournament and shot 783 singles scratch for my three games!
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If you'd like to try an interesting Kegel pattern, try their Beaten Path on some synthetic lanes. I"m pretty sure it's a sport pattern, with an out-of-bounds from 5 and out, with not a lot (but some) of inside pull room nor swing room, and, from what I see on our lanes with a 5 person league, you need to stay in the track area from the initial medium to medium heavy oil in the first game, thru the nasty transition in the 2nd to the dried out track area in the 3rd.
http://www.kegel.net/V3/PatternLibraryPatternGraph.aspx?ID=651#TopGraph (http://www.kegel.net/V3/PatternLibraryPatternGraph.aspx?ID=651#TopGraph)
Most of our higher average bowlers are down 20 pins in average, from the house shot and this is not a PBA sport pattern.
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For those saying State Tournaments should be held on difficult patterns, remember, tournament turnouts are down. People are not wanting to travel to bowl on easy patterns, let alone difficult ones. I would love to compete on super difficult shots, but all it will do is turn people away.
I am not saying it doesn't exist, but I doubt there is a single state/city tournament that is held on a sport shot. Perhaps one of the USBC white or blue patterns, but not on sport conditions. If you think it should be on sport conditions, then submit your name to be on the board and get it changed. I would love to have something more difficult, but my association can't even keep the website updated.
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I am not saying it doesn't exist, but I doubt there is a single state/city tournament that is held on a sport shot. Perhaps one of the USBC white or blue patterns, but not on sport conditions. If you think it should be on sport conditions, then submit your name to be on the board and get it changed. I would love to have something more difficult, but my association can't even keep the website updated.
I guess there's always the exception -
Our NJ State Tournament has been held on the White #2 pattern with 25 ml of oil for the past 3 years. Most times it's in a Brunswick house which makes it harder with its lower friction synthetics.
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I am not saying it doesn't exist, but I doubt there is a single state/city tournament that is held on a sport shot. Perhaps one of the USBC white or blue patterns, but not on sport conditions. If you think it should be on sport conditions, then submit your name to be on the board and get it changed. I would love to have something more difficult, but my association can't even keep the website updated.
I guess there's always the exception -
Our NJ State Tournament has been held on the White #2 pattern with 25 ml of oil for the past 3 years. Most times it's in a Brunswick house which makes it harder with its lower friction synthetics.
The white and blue patterns can be tricky on certain surfaces, but they are not sport shots. White #2 is a 4.5:1 pattern. More difficult than a typical house shot, but not quite sport.
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I bowl in a Seniors/Regular doubles event every year. It's made up of a bowler 50+ and a bowler 49 and under. They use the Kegel patterns exclusively and they usually have a waiting list to get in which is pretty rare to get in on. This year they were thinking about making it a 2 week event because the waiting list was big enough to nearly fill the house again.
Anyway, everyone seems to LOVE the kegel patterns and is why the turn out is so high. 2 years ago they put out the Beaten Path pattern, I struggled the 1st 2 games until I noticed everyone was playing in the track area, moved to where everyone else was playing and shot 480 for the last 2 games of the 4 game set. Last year they put out easy street and yes it plays very close to house china you still don't get recovery if you miss outside and if you miss inside there is a little hold room but not much.
I'm all for the kegel patterns to be your standard house shots!
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That Beaten Path pattern is 4.5 to 1 ratio and 41' long! The Beaten Path name tells you to play in the most played area of that house, which will break down the quickest and usual around 10 board/2nd arrow! Kegel recommends subtracting 31 from the length of the pattern and play in that area. Randy Stoughton told us that was a target area and to play within 2 board of either side of that area!
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Mike, agreed. Get rid of the Ray Charles Open.
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I totally agree that some sort of Kegel pattern should be used, heck Id like to see them use two different patterns, which ever one fits the lane surface for each host house.
But having said that, to have a successful tournament you need people who are willing to spend money, and lately the board hasnt done a good job of keeping everyone happy. Yes bowlers will complain, but also we cant complain about low turnouts and low payouts if noone shoes up to bowl either, so its pick your poison in this area. Tough shots scare off alot of bowlers, and you cant rely solely on those few who want tough shots to run a successful tournament. If everyone wanted tough shots the regional programs would be doing better.
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I totally agree that some sort of Kegel pattern should be used, heck Id like to see them use two different patterns, which ever one fits the lane surface for each host house.
But having said that, to have a successful tournament you need people who are willing to spend money, and lately the board hasnt done a good job of keeping everyone happy. Yes bowlers will complain, but also we cant complain about low turnouts and low payouts if noone shoes up to bowl either, so its pick your poison in this area. Tough shots scare off alot of bowlers, and you cant rely solely on those few who want tough shots to run a successful tournament. If everyone wanted tough shots the regional programs would be doing better.
While I agree bowler turn outs are as low as ever I blame the economy mainly. I also blame the bowlers who value their average more and would rather NOT challenge themselves on a tougher oil pattern. Some bowlers think the wall of china where every bad shot gets rewarded is too tough!
If there was a league that used 3 different kegel patterns each one for 11 week shifts I would be the 1st one to sign up! Each third there would be a roll off and winner for that third. At the end of the season there would be a 3 way roll off on 1 of the past 3 patterns.
Sounds like fun to me but not many others would agree.
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I agree Mike that the economy is to blame somewhat, other times I feel our industry uses this excuse far too often, and us bowlers that do support stuff at some point have to hold the industry, national, state, and local board members accountable at some point. Any time a tournament has a poor turnout the first thing heard is "well the economy is so bad", turnouts have and were bad before the economy tanked.
There are those who like tough shots, and those who dont, and it makes it tough from a tournament directors point of view. Make them too hard and the donators wont come, make em too easy run off all the donators cause they cant keep up.
We have seen at our state level both sides of the too hard/too easy discussion, and the truth is right now I dont think anyone has a concrete solution.
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Also keep in mind some of the ones that complain of each issue are the same people. We have some people that complain the house shot is to easy everyone can score.. They average about 215 or so and are in the near the middle of the league in average. Then they get on a tougher shot and complain this shot is to hard they can't shot 200.
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Also keep in mind some of the ones that complain of each issue are the same people. We have some people that complain the house shot is to easy everyone can score.. They average about 215 or so and are in the near the middle of the league in average. Then they get on a tougher shot and complain this shot is to hard they can't shot 200.
Where I live all average range bowlers complain, its not limited to just 2teen average bowlers. Make em too tough everybody complains, make em too easy the handicap bowlers complain. Patterns aren't the answer by themselves its a combination of different things.
Even patterns that are supposed to be lower scoring end up being blown up eventually in longer formats, whats the point in making them "tough" when the pattern can be altered by 10 mins of practice from high level bowlers? There are just as many bowlers out there that say they want tough conditions...those same bowlers are the ones doing everything they can to give themselves as much "miss" room as possible during practice time as well as working with other bowler to break them down, than there are bowlers who complain.
Whats the point if the majority do this anyways? Need I mention Nationals as an example?
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I think one thing that has helped Nationals during this participation downturn is the releasing of the shot before the tournament. The shot at Nationals has always been hard, but with the digital age, most centers can put out a shot close to what Nationals is and it allows bowlers the chance to get some experience before they go. This in turn improves their scores (hopefully) and doesn't turn them off as bad.
Of course, this is only if the proprietor is willing to put out the shot for their bowlers. This could work for any tournament, not just Nationals. Not everyone will show up to practice, but at least the attitudes of those that do will not be as negative.