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Last few PBA TV shows (I guess possible spoilers)
« on: March 12, 2021, 01:57:28 PM »
The first subject is about Allen spilling water.

I never liked them having water bottles/glasses during the telecast in the bowling area. They could do without a drink while the competition in going on and could drink during commercial breaks. But the delay really seemed to throw Lockwood off his game.

The second is about the PBA junior show. I thought the young ladies threw the ball great. But I was a little surprised that they were both conventional one handed bowlers while the boys were both 2 handed.

For the two handed bowlers. Are there reasons why you see few two handed girls? Are there two handed girls coming up and/or just didn't make the show?

 

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Re: Last few PBA TV shows (I guess possible spoilers)
« Reply #1 on: March 12, 2021, 02:28:00 PM »
The first subject is about Allen spilling water.

I never liked them having water bottles/glasses during the telecast in the bowling area. They could do without a drink while the competition in going on and could drink during commercial breaks. But the delay really seemed to throw Lockwood off his game.

The second is about the PBA junior show. I thought the young ladies threw the ball great. But I was a little surprised that they were both conventional one handed bowlers while the boys were both 2 handed.

For the two handed bowlers. Are there reasons why you see few two handed girls? Are there two handed girls coming up and/or just didn't make the show?

You bring up a valid point regarding the water situation.  My thought is they should do something similar to the USBC Tournament and have a water dispenser off to the side that they can still access at any time.  That way if there is a spill it is not near the settee area used for the show.

Regarding girls......most of the girls/women you see on tv are only throwing the ball around 17 - 17.5mph on average.  One thing you need to throw the ball two handed is ball speed.  If one handed they are at 17mph, chances are two handed they wont be any faster and possibly even slower.  That is not to say there are not any girls using the two hand method.  I am sure that there are.  But at the end of the day, how many bowlers do you see on TV that are pretty rev dominate; men or women, one handed or two?
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Re: Last few PBA TV shows (I guess possible spoilers)
« Reply #2 on: March 12, 2021, 03:16:43 PM »
The first subject is about Allen spilling water.

I never liked them having water bottles/glasses during the telecast in the bowling area. They could do without a drink while the competition in going on and could drink during commercial breaks. But the delay really seemed to throw Lockwood off his game.

The second is about the PBA junior show. I thought the young ladies threw the ball great. But I was a little surprised that they were both conventional one handed bowlers while the boys were both 2 handed.

For the two handed bowlers. Are there reasons why you see few two handed girls? Are there two handed girls coming up and/or just didn't make the show?

You bring up a valid point regarding the water situation.  My thought is they should do something similar to the USBC Tournament and have a water dispenser off to the side that they can still access at any time.  That way if there is a spill it is not near the settee area used for the show.

Regarding girls......most of the girls/women you see on tv are only throwing the ball around 17 - 17.5mph on average.  One thing you need to throw the ball two handed is ball speed.  If one handed they are at 17mph, chances are two handed they wont be any faster and possibly even slower.  That is not to say there are not any girls using the two hand method.  I am sure that there are.  But at the end of the day, how many bowlers do you see on TV that are pretty rev dominate; men or women, one handed or two?

Referencing the bold, that actually could bode BETTER for the women. Case in point: yes, he threw some shots that were off, but Barnes had a faster ball speed and higher revs than Kulick did in that TOC final, yet, Kulick's ball read the lane better due to her slower ball speed.

So it could definitely all be situational at that point, but it also is what makes the girls/women much more versatile. That isn't to say that the men can't be versatile as well; it only means that throwing more speed and ball at it isn't the answer to everything. Here is where making the adjustments and thinking the game through come into mind, and the girls/women have a bit of an upper hand to that in the fact that they have to think their game through more instead of trying to power through it, because they may not have that physical strength to do that.

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Re: Last few PBA TV shows (I guess possible spoilers)
« Reply #3 on: March 12, 2021, 03:50:40 PM »
The first subject is about Allen spilling water.

I never liked them having water bottles/glasses during the telecast in the bowling area. They could do without a drink while the competition in going on and could drink during commercial breaks. But the delay really seemed to throw Lockwood off his game.

The second is about the PBA junior show. I thought the young ladies threw the ball great. But I was a little surprised that they were both conventional one handed bowlers while the boys were both 2 handed.

For the two handed bowlers. Are there reasons why you see few two handed girls? Are there two handed girls coming up and/or just didn't make the show?

You bring up a valid point regarding the water situation.  My thought is they should do something similar to the USBC Tournament and have a water dispenser off to the side that they can still access at any time.  That way if there is a spill it is not near the settee area used for the show.

Regarding girls......most of the girls/women you see on tv are only throwing the ball around 17 - 17.5mph on average.  One thing you need to throw the ball two handed is ball speed.  If one handed they are at 17mph, chances are two handed they wont be any faster and possibly even slower.  That is not to say there are not any girls using the two hand method.  I am sure that there are.  But at the end of the day, how many bowlers do you see on TV that are pretty rev dominate; men or women, one handed or two?

Referencing the bold, that actually could bode BETTER for the women. Case in point: yes, he threw some shots that were off, but Barnes had a faster ball speed and higher revs than Kulick did in that TOC final, yet, Kulick's ball read the lane better due to her slower ball speed.

So it could definitely all be situational at that point, but it also is what makes the girls/women much more versatile. That isn't to say that the men can't be versatile as well; it only means that throwing more speed and ball at it isn't the answer to everything. Here is where making the adjustments and thinking the game through come into mind, and the girls/women have a bit of an upper hand to that in the fact that they have to think their game through more instead of trying to power through it, because they may not have that physical strength to do that.

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While your example is true, imagine if Kulick would have had another 150 rpms to her rev rate.  One that show, she threw the red Mission and her rev rate was probably in the 300, call it 325 on a good day.  Had she been two handed with a near 500 rev rate, that Mission now becomes a Tornado.  Closest thing to a current PBA bowler is probably Lavoie. I believe he is 17.5 at 330rpms.  Now make him a two hander.  The Rubicon playing 15 out to 8 now becomes a Hustle playing 22 out to 8.  So not only would they have to ball down, they would also have to play more angle through the front part of the lane.  Only other option would be to go Darren Tang and throw urethane up the track. 

Example that comes to mind is when Belmo slows down and lets the ball float through the front part of the lane.  He is always playing inside 4th arrow predominately playing 5th arrow.  The women would have to be in that deep from the get go in most cases.   
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Re: Last few PBA TV shows (I guess possible spoilers)
« Reply #4 on: March 12, 2021, 04:17:42 PM »
I think Randy said that 9 out 10 boys who made the finals were 2 handers. 

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Re: Last few PBA TV shows (I guess possible spoilers)
« Reply #5 on: March 12, 2021, 05:24:24 PM »
can't stand listening to rob stone and randy god do i miss bo burton he was a student of the game with so much bowling knowledge pleasant to listen to him

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Re: Last few PBA TV shows (I guess possible spoilers)
« Reply #6 on: March 15, 2021, 08:07:49 AM »
I thought it somewhat amusing on Saturday's telecast that Daugherty looked to have been using a Hammer Rebel (not the Rebel Solid) on the left lane, a ball released in 2016.  I wonder if Brunswick was happy about that.  "Really Tom, you couldn't have gotten a similar look from a more current ball?!?"

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Re: Last few PBA TV shows (I guess possible spoilers)
« Reply #7 on: March 15, 2021, 10:57:14 AM »
Going way back Brunswick staffers were always less likely to be throwing the latest and greatest on the show.  Cant remember specific examples now but I do remember noticing it several times in the late 90s

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Re: Last few PBA TV shows (I guess possible spoilers)
« Reply #8 on: March 15, 2021, 12:52:18 PM »
PB3 used the Teal Rhino on TV forever.

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Re: Last few PBA TV shows (I guess possible spoilers)
« Reply #9 on: March 15, 2021, 02:44:07 PM »
WRW always used the Black Zone/Green Combat Zone up 10, almost every show. At the time, it was every weekend.

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Re: Last few PBA TV shows (I guess possible spoilers)
« Reply #10 on: March 15, 2021, 06:02:32 PM »
WRW always used the Black Zone/Green Combat Zone up 10, almost every show. At the time, it was every weekend.

That, or that damned Helix..

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« Reply #11 on: March 15, 2021, 09:25:45 PM »
WRW always used the Black Zone/Green Combat Zone up 10, almost every show. At the time, it was every weekend.


That, or that damned Helix..

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The week WRW won with the helix one the show the ball was drilled to roll across the urethane and it basically acted like a resin ball. But he got the incentive money.

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Re: Last few PBA TV shows (I guess possible spoilers)
« Reply #12 on: March 16, 2021, 08:37:37 AM »
In many cases females especially younger ones do not have the upper body strength to throw it two handed effectively. Still too many assume more revs and ball speed means higher scores which isn't always the case. Especially on the womens tour. A lot of younger male bolwers are easily generating higher rev rates one handed.

Looking at the mens tour you see so many guys one handed creating 450 to 500 rpms easily. No doubt for some it is easier to achieve two handed but plenty are able to do more then enough using one.


It was interesting seeing the PBA final match with TD throwing a Rebel pearl (amazing ball) on the left lane and the Intel pearl on the right while using a Hammer Tough for spares. Then JB of course had the two purple urethanes. All of the equipment was discontinued for some time. In a world of latest and greatest especially by staffers it was interesting to see them using what they felt would win vs marketing.
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Re: Last few PBA TV shows (I guess possible spoilers)
« Reply #13 on: March 16, 2021, 08:53:05 AM »
Simonsen using an old Roto Grip black Grenade urethane last night on the show was interesting.  Randy Pedersen indicated on the show that Simonsen bought it on facebook marketplace for $200.

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Re: Last few PBA TV shows (I guess possible spoilers)
« Reply #14 on: March 16, 2021, 05:42:24 PM »
The water spill seemed like an unfortunate accident. I'm sure all the guys are being extra careful since it happened. It doesn't seem right to make a sudden rule change over a freak accident... that happened just once, in all the years i've been watching PBA telecasts.