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General Category => Miscellaneous => Topic started by: AlonzoHarris on April 21, 2018, 08:31:56 AM
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What's your league(s) lineage? I haven't confirmed for my second league yet, but just noticed my one league is $13/3 games and see why the payout is so shitty.
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Lineage in the 3 leagues I bowl in is $13.50 for three games. We paid $17 for a 40 team mixed league, $22 for a 40 team mens league, and $25 on another mens league.
Payouts run accordingly. The 2 mens leagues each paid $10,000 for first place.
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Lineage in the 3 leagues I bowl in is $13.50 for three games. We paid $17 for a 40 team mixed league, $22 for a 40 team mens league, and $25 on another mens league.
Payouts run accordingly. The 2 mens leagues each paid $10,000 for first place.
Nice first place payout! This league is 22 (5-man) teams. $13 lineage $3 to prize fund to make $16/week and first place $700 ($140 a piece)....
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$10.95 5 man men's league on Thursday nights. We pay $18 for decent prize fund.
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Lineage fees at the center I bowl at for all of the leagues I am in run 7.25 per night.
In a mixed Sunday League we pay 12.00 per person, only 28 bowlers and have a pay out of about 2200.00 PLUS 50/50 money of 500.00 to divide. Usually pay out by points won per team.
Bowl in a 4 person league there as well, pay 15.00 and with 20 teams, get a nice back for prize money. This also is a "short season" league, so only 16 weeks in the season.
Hard for me to see what some other's have posted for lineage fees, and then the USBC wondering why there may be a decline in bowling, and leagues.
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What really bugs me about the $13.50 lineage is that that price (or $4.50/game) is just .25 less than what the house charges for open bowling on a Friday or Saturday night. It wasn't that many years ago that houses would give the leagues a nice discount for being there 30-35 weeks a year. Now we pretty much pay the same price as the people who stop in a few nights a year when they're bored and can't think of something else to do.
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Lineage fees at the center I bowl at for all of the leagues I am in run 7.25 per night.
In a mixed Sunday League we pay 12.00 per person, only 28 bowlers and have a pay out of about 2200.00 PLUS 50/50 money of 500.00 to divide. Usually pay out by points won per team.
Bowl in a 4 person league there as well, pay 15.00 and with 20 teams, get a nice back for prize money. This also is a "short season" league, so only 16 weeks in the season.
Hard for me to see what some other's have posted for lineage fees, and then the USBC wondering why there may be a decline in bowling, and leagues.
I find this very hard to believe
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Shelby Lanes
Shelby Township, MI
Sunday League: Sunday Leftovers
Tuesday Night 4 Person League: Partytimers
Send me your email, and I will send you a copy of the Sunday League Financial Statement.
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I see they are not men's league's, that makes a big difference
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what state exists where a bowling center can stay open charging 7.25 for 3 games? because I am moving :o 8)
$15 for one house / $14 for a run down house
Big prize money leagues are far and few between in CT as cost of bowling is not conducive except for high roller leagues.
Lineage fees at the center I bowl at for all of the leagues I am in run 7.25 per night.
In a mixed Sunday League we pay 12.00 per person, only 28 bowlers and have a pay out of about 2200.00 PLUS 50/50 money of 500.00 to divide. Usually pay out by points won per team.
Bowl in a 4 person league there as well, pay 15.00 and with 20 teams, get a nice back for prize money. This also is a "short season" league, so only 16 weeks in the season.
Hard for me to see what some other's have posted for lineage fees, and then the USBC wondering why there may be a decline in bowling, and leagues.
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One thing I forgot to mention is the center acts as the secretary / treasurer too...... so no money taken from league prize money to pay officer(s).......... each bowler pays a $4.00 ONE TIME fee for each league............... granted the house only puts out a medium to light condition for these leagues, the mens leagues in this same establishment which get fresh stripped backends, and much heavier volumes still pay no more than 10.00 for lineage........... bowled in them as well, just current work schedule won't allow it at this time..................
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I am secy/treasurer for a small 10 team league 5 per team , 29 weeks
lineage is $9.00 we pay by month of $45.00 or $315.00 or $10.85 per week
leaves $3200.00 prize money and secy fee and plaques
I pay out I like to keep team money close not big top end .
1. $280,2.$280, 3.$270,4. $270, 5.$270.6.$270.7.$260,8.$260,9.$260,10.$260.
team payout $2680.00, high game and series scratch and handicap 6 each $180,
high average payout $95.00, secy fee $170.00, trophies $75.00 = $3200.00,
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I am secy/treasurer for a small 10 team league 5 per team , 29 weeks
lineage is $9.00 we pay by month of $45.00 or $315.00 or $10.85 per week
leaves $3200.00 prize money and secy fee and plaques
I pay out I like to keep team money close not big top end .
1. $280,2.$280, 3.$270,4. $270, 5.$270.6.$270.7.$260,8.$260,9.$260,10.$260.
team payout $2680.00, high game and series scratch and handicap 6 each $180,
high average payout $95.00, secy fee $170.00, trophies $75.00 = $3200.00,
To me that really kills a lot of the drive to push to the top when the leagues are so flat in their payouts. Maybe some love it, I've been in both types and some don't care while others choose to find better paying options. $3/game lineage is respectful though. I commend that. I would personally vote to bump the prize fund number up some. I bet if people see the bigger payout they would go to $12-13/week.
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Hello back on my post Alonzo thanks for any ideas , but I would like to bowl for more prize money but I have a lot of older bowlers , lot of 150 to 170 averages in this league, I had motions come up bowl pay for lineage and secy fee only no prize money , also we only pay $15 for usbc card soon as bring up raise dues or raise bowling fee I here we will just quit cost to much to bowl , this league would be happy just divide money even so 1st and last same money , but should be something for 1st in my book , at my center leagues are all down don't want to lose bowlers cause if any more and the center will close
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The big story here though is that leagues almost cost bowling centers more than they make them. Yeah it's consistent and predictable income, but open play is worth MUCH more to a center with MUCH less effort. Lanes don't have to be freshly run, don't have to deal with whiny league bowlers, etc. I don't blame them. League bowlers want the most and pay the least and whine about the deal the whole time.
Our center is getting some much needed upgrades, but it's not the league bowlers paying for it, they do lots of open play and have packed cosmic sessions on Friday and Saturday nights. I'm very grateful that I get to benefit from upgrades I'm not contributing much to.
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Open bowling definitely keeps centers open which is why I try to not complain about changes over the years to attract the open bowling business. But there are times the Bowlero I bowl 1 league over estimates the amount of open bowling they are going to get as was the case last week when all leagues were told to take week off because Spring vacations for public schools. I like to practice so I go and practice at times the leagues bowl and the place was deserted. The waitresses and bartenders were a bit upset at making no money for the week. They do the same thing for week of X-mas - New Years and that one actually makes business sense as they do clean up on the open bowling that week.
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The big story here though is that leagues almost cost bowling centers more than they make them. Yeah it's consistent and predictable income, but open play is worth MUCH more to a center with MUCH less effort. Lanes don't have to be freshly run, don't have to deal with whiny league bowlers, etc. I don't blame them. League bowlers want the most and pay the least and whine about the deal the whole time.
Our center is getting some much needed upgrades, but it's not the league bowlers paying for it, they do lots of open play and have packed cosmic sessions on Friday and Saturday nights. I'm very grateful that I get to benefit from upgrades I'm not contributing much to.
I disagree league bowlers keep the doors open, a bowling center could not stay open on open bowling alone
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I disagree league bowlers keep the doors open, a bowling center could not stay open on open bowling alone
I agree. Those leagues are guaranteed for x number of weeks. Most places can't guarantee open bowlers for the same time period. There are busy times and there are dead times. As well, a lot of open bowlers just have no common sense. Chucking balls down the lane while the rack is down or multiple balls in the gutter. Goofing around without care for anyone or the house. Just too much risk trying to rely on open bowling keeping the business alive.
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I don't know where you guys bowl, but if league bowling disappeared here completely, not sure the centers would mind much. Open play and parties and events are big here, they make the leagues take a week off between Christmas and New Years because of how much money they pull in. Nice break in the middle of the year too. Open play is big here. Maybe not so much in smaller towns though.
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I don't know where you guys bowl, but if league bowling disappeared here completely, not sure the centers would mind much. Open play and parties and events are big here, they make the leagues take a week off between Christmas and New Years because of how much money they pull in. Nice break in the middle of the year too. Open play is big here. Maybe not so much in smaller towns though.
Yep same in my metro area. Bowlmor owns vast majority of houses (good and bad thing) and they have leagues but pretty sure they make most of their money on the alcohol.
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I don't know where you guys bowl, but if league bowling disappeared here completely, not sure the centers would mind much. Open play and parties and events are big here, they make the leagues take a week off between Christmas and New Years because of how much money they pull in. Nice break in the middle of the year too. Open play is big here. Maybe not so much in smaller towns though.
Maybe relative to the area. Open play on the weekends is a no brainer, but the rest of the week seems a bit more seasonal. If bowling centers want less leagues why do so many fight leagues when they want a shorter season?
Most of our leagues are 36 weeks….. When asked about going to 32 or fewer the option is available as long as we pay 36 weeks worth of lineage. #awesome
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We have two very profitable centers where I live. One is loaded to the hilt with league business and would via for more if they had time slots available both day & night.
The other center does a very good league business, but also a lot of birthday parties on the weekend along with cosmic bowling. But, the owner has expressed he would welcome more league business if he could.
Both owners have stated the league business (36 weeks of guaranteed income), pays the overhead. The profit is derived from food/beverage sales. One of the centers also generates a lot of income from a very large arcade business.
Bottom line leagues dominate open/rec. bowling in my area.
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Open play is big here, but only at certain times of the year - and not every day. There's no way it could sustain a center. Tournaments are not as abundant anymore due to open play being better for business, but no way could leagues be replaced.
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14 (5 man) teams. $20.00 per bowler. First pays $2500.00 per half. Lineage is 7.50 per bowler. Can post link to facebook with complete prize list. Our team finished 8th and 6th for total payout of 1400.00.
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Lol with lineage that low, no wonder. That's cool.
14 (5 man) teams. $20.00 per bowler. First pays $2500.00 per half. Lineage is 7.50 per bowler. Can post link to facebook with complete prize list. Our team finished 8th and 6th for total payout of 1400.00.
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League vs. open play is dependent on how motivated the manger/owner are in the operation of their business. Leagues require little effort past the sign up period for the most part, marketing open play requires much more effort but has a much higher income potential. Most bowling centers want to do little more than unlock the doors so the league model is more beneficial to them.
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Charging $7.50 for lineage is just a slow, miserable death for a center. At first they charge that little to get people in the door, then they are afraid to raise the price because they think people will leave, then it gets to the point they can only charge that much because the place is a complete dump.
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I bowl in a league that has 21 4 person teams. We bowl 32 weeks, and pay $18 a week.
I have no idea what the lineage is, nor do I care. WHY SHOULD I?
I want to bowl in a league setting. I’m never going to get rich bowling, or even make a living at it. I bowl for the challenge, the pleasure, and the recreation of it all.
For that, $18 a week is CHEAP, CHEAP, CHEAP!
And we get money back after it’s over. YES, we have a prize fund, albeit a small one.
I COULDNT CARE LESS ABOUT PRIZE MONEY. THATS WHAT IS WRONG WITH 90% OF THE “RECREATIONAL†LEAGUES ANYMORE.
Heck, I remember everybody getting trophies at the end of season, fully paid, banquet.
IF YOU ARE IN BOWLING FOR THE MONEY, why are you bowling leagues? Shouldn’t you be bowling in tournaments with bigger prizes than you’ll ever get in league?
IF YOU ARE BOWLING FOR FUN AND PLEASURE, why are you worried about lineage and prize funds? Where else are you going to get 2-3 hours of fun, friendship, and activity for only $6-$7 an hour?
Bowling costs what it costs. If we aren’t willing to pay for it at a rate where it is profitable for the center to be open, they soon won’t be.
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YESSSSS! Our association suggested a few years ago that leagues give up the prize funds to make the cost per week cheaper and then rioted and accused us of trying to take their money, but man when lineage goes up a quarter every other year they lose their minds.
I bowl in a league that has 21 4 person teams. We bowl 32 weeks, and pay $18 a week.
I have no idea what the lineage is, nor do I care. WHY SHOULD I?
I want to bowl in a league setting. I’m never going to get rich bowling, or even make a living at it. I bowl for the challenge, the pleasure, and the recreation of it all.
For that, $18 a week is CHEAP, CHEAP, CHEAP!
And we get money back after it’s over. YES, we have a prize fund, albeit a small one.
I COULDNT CARE LESS ABOUT PRIZE MONEY. THATS WHAT IS WRONG WITH 90% OF THE “RECREATIONAL†LEAGUES ANYMORE.
Heck, I remember everybody getting trophies at the end of season, fully paid, banquet.
IF YOU ARE IN BOWLING FOR THE MONEY, why are you bowling leagues? Shouldn’t you be bowling in tournaments with bigger prizes than you’ll ever get in league?
IF YOU ARE BOWLING FOR FUN AND PLEASURE, why are you worried about lineage and prize funds? Where else are you going to get 2-3 hours of fun, friendship, and activity for only $6-$7 an hour?
Bowling costs what it costs. If we aren’t willing to pay for it at a rate where it is profitable for the center to be open, they soon won’t be.
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I bowl in a league that has 21 4 person teams. We bowl 32 weeks, and pay $18 a week.
I have no idea what the lineage is, nor do I care. WHY SHOULD I?
I want to bowl in a league setting. I’m never going to get rich bowling, or even make a living at it. I bowl for the challenge, the pleasure, and the recreation of it all.
For that, $18 a week is CHEAP, CHEAP, CHEAP!
And we get money back after it’s over. YES, we have a prize fund, albeit a small one.
I COULDNT CARE LESS ABOUT PRIZE MONEY. THATS WHAT IS WRONG WITH 90% OF THE “RECREATIONAL†LEAGUES ANYMORE.
Heck, I remember everybody getting trophies at the end of season, fully paid, banquet.
IF YOU ARE IN BOWLING FOR THE MONEY, why are you bowling leagues? Shouldn’t you be bowling in tournaments with bigger prizes than you’ll ever get in league?
IF YOU ARE BOWLING FOR FUN AND PLEASURE, why are you worried about lineage and prize funds? Where else are you going to get 2-3 hours of fun, friendship, and activity for only $6-$7 an hour?
Bowling costs what it costs. If we aren’t willing to pay for it at a rate where it is profitable for the center to be open, they soon won’t be.
AMEN EXACTLY ^^^^^
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Juggernaut, you hit the nail on the head. Well said, sir.