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xrayjay

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any ideas for a Asymmetrical ball with layout for second shift?
« on: February 01, 2016, 02:51:14 PM »
Just this morning I decided to try my hand on a company new to me with a Asymmetrical core. I bowl second shift with still good amount of oil in the middle. Most of the first shift bowlers are up the board low rev players with a few playing the track. The outside can be very dry - when playing this area, the blue hammer is great for me.

Looking for Something with a different look to what I have now, which are more in smooth and control ball reaction. The volume is in the medium range which holds up pretty good these days.

Why Asymm core ball? I haven't owned one in several years and just for "lets see"  purpose, I'd like to try my hands on one.



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Re: any ideas for a Asymmetrical ball with layout for second shift?
« Reply #1 on: February 01, 2016, 03:14:50 PM »
Critical. I've never steered you wrong.

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Re: any ideas for a Asymmetrical ball with layout for second shift?
« Reply #2 on: February 01, 2016, 04:39:47 PM »
Critical. I've never steered you wrong.

thanks I'll take a look...guess right now, it's a RG ball?
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Re: any ideas for a Asymmetrical ball with layout for second shift?
« Reply #3 on: February 02, 2016, 07:20:59 AM »
The Brunswick Mastermind Brainiac is an excellent choice for 2nd shift leagues. If the lanes are a little drier, it will skid through the front part of the lane and give you a strong motion on the backend. I have used mine in my 2nd shift league a lot and it allows me to open up my angles and throw it to the friction.
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Re: any ideas for a Asymmetrical ball with layout for second shift?
« Reply #4 on: February 02, 2016, 08:03:38 AM »
Critical is to strong I have one  the Eternal  would be better choice, I second the Brainiac or even a Vandal  or the Diva xoxo  or Red Legend Pearl
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Re: any ideas for a Asymmetrical ball with layout for second shift?
« Reply #5 on: February 02, 2016, 10:38:55 AM »
I'd be looking at assyms from companies that are intending you to use it as such.

The Brunswick rep, IMHO is very spot on as the brainiac is made for what you're looking for.

The crux pearl, with erg is quite mild, I think. For me erg fits in-between R2S and R2X.  A Byte on closeout, a zero gravity with step 2 would definitely fit the bill. 

The ball I own is a HCskid pin up, MB kicked out far from the thumb...length with an arcing backend.  My sinister drilled the same is even better!

Other balls I can think of...

*Seismic Photon Low mass bias (would be awesome)
*Ridiculous assym with polish would most likely work..
*Dv8 schizos are relatively cheap $70 bucks and were not very flippy, but calm in all of my personal sightings

For me taking any ball that is too strong, adding step 2 polish always gives me a ton of length.


I literally have this problem at a house I bowl at every summer.  Super dry, and you gotta get left. 

Absolutely nothing worked...

What bailed me out was a critical theory (its all about me lol) with step 2 over the OOB. Still to this day, I have never ever had a ball with more skid that that.  I kept that ball for a long time, I vividly remember guys were bagging thunder line pearls and bringing out tropical heats/breezes..

I was waxing them with my 15 mph polish critical theory like a stud.

IMO it all reverts back to surface and what's going to work for u..

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Re: any ideas for a Asymmetrical ball with layout for second shift?
« Reply #6 on: February 02, 2016, 04:51:46 PM »
Thanks for the suggestions and advices...

Now for the layout....?????
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Re: any ideas for a Asymmetrical ball with layout for second shift?
« Reply #7 on: February 02, 2016, 07:27:07 PM »
Thanks for the suggestions and advices...

Now for the layout....?????


Do you play deep or up the boards...
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Re: any ideas for a Asymmetrical ball with layout for second shift?
« Reply #8 on: February 02, 2016, 08:32:16 PM »
Thanks for the suggestions and advices...

Now for the layout....?????


Do you play deep or up the boards...

Either, but with what's in the bag, I don't have anything that recovers well playing away. I keep the pocket close and make use of the hold. Missing wide easy is an 2 pin leave or roller. I'm just looking to try asymm core balls, with a different look to what I have now - which are all "control" type motion. Normally play the track or in.

My profile is old, but from my most recent (may have change slightly) specs:
10* tilt
55* rot
300-325 rpm
17-18 mph @ release
5 1/8 @ 1/2 up

I'm guess drill angles 60-70 range, pin +4.5-5.5, 30-40 Val angle???

 Btw, with asymmetrical cores.... Further away from 3 3/8 or from PAP REDUCES flare? Just like smaller pin to pap? I ask cause I just watched a video where one guy said pin further from pap with asymm balls flare increases.?? I thought max flare is 3 3/8 on any ball type.....
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Re: any ideas for a Asymmetrical ball with layout for second shift?
« Reply #9 on: February 02, 2016, 09:31:34 PM »
Thanks for the suggestions and advices...

Now for the layout....?????


Do you play deep or up the boards...

Either, but with what's in the bag, I don't have anything that recovers well playing away. I keep the pocket close and make use of the hold. Missing wide easy is an 2 pin leave or roller. I'm just looking to try asymm core balls, with a different look to what I have now - which are all "control" type motion. Normally play the track or in.

My profile is old, but from my most recent (may have change slightly) specs:
10* tilt
55* rot
300-325 rpm
17-18 mph @ release
5 1/8 @ 1/2 up

I'm guess drill angles 60-70 range, pin +4.5-5.5, 30-40 Val angle???

 Btw, with asymmetrical cores.... Further away from 3 3/8 or from PAP REDUCES flare? Just like smaller pin to pap? I ask cause I just watched a video where one guy said pin further from pap with asymm balls flare increases.?? I thought max flare is 3 3/8 on any ball type.....

TBH your pro shop guy is going to know the specifics on what you need. I would definitely do a pin up layout, FOR ME, it would be pin up...   

If they're torched as you say I'd kicked the MB way out for me it creates a length and smooth arc off the end of the pattern. With a slower speed I always get a hockey stick reaction.  I'm not the angle-centric guy. 

But in simpler terms you need length and a non angular break point, imo. The burnt up shot will most likely create backend..

I literally can throw my sinister punched this way longer than my lower end stuff. Which being able to throw my sinister on a pattern games 3 through like 8/9 is really nice... I got a lil edge on the guys going way down. Kicks out more tens, etc.

This layout is a 4.5 inch pin to pap with the MB like 2.5 inches from my pap
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Re: any ideas for a Asymmetrical ball with layout for second shift?
« Reply #10 on: February 03, 2016, 12:14:52 PM »
Yeah, I think before anything, I'll have to go see my PSO to recheck span and axis. Then go from there...
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Re: any ideas for a Asymmetrical ball with layout for second shift?
« Reply #11 on: February 18, 2016, 09:13:59 PM »
I would suggest a 900 Global break Down, drilled something like 70 X 4 x 35, box surface.

Smooth motion, not overly strong cover, and lower diff. core.

Would be close to your "benchmark layout" for asymmetrical cored balls based on your previously mentioned specs. and would allow you to play in or out, without over reaction on the backend.