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Title: leagues and winter storms
Post by: BrianCRX90 on December 07, 2013, 01:35:18 PM
Hello, I live in Texas and if there is a little snow or ice the leagues will not bowl and even if the roads are still drive able. It really sucks. The bowling alleys usually remain open unless there is a thick layer of ice on the parking lots along with the roads.

I'm curious what do people do likein Ohio, Colorado, New York..Wisconsin do? If the weather has some ice or snow of the roads is your league cancelled? Or to people just deal with it and have the will and the measures to ensure the roads and parking lots are safer and leagues continue and the bowling alleys are open?

I'm sure obviously if it's a hardcore blizzard then leagues may be cancelled but I am wondering on a average winter storm where you live. Otherwise many people would not be bowling on a weekly basis during fall/winter leagues.
Title: Re: leagues and winter storms
Post by: marvey23 on December 07, 2013, 01:47:00 PM
Here in Omaha,Ne I can only think of a couple of times when league was cancelled in the last eight seasons.
Title: Re: leagues and winter storms
Post by: St. Croix on December 07, 2013, 02:05:11 PM
We lived in Bloomington, Illinois for 8 years, and I bowled in a couple of leagues at Pheasant Lanes. We may have had a couple of cancellations at most during that time. We generally had good attendance despite during times of bad weather.
Title: Re: leagues and winter storms
Post by: greggie on December 07, 2013, 02:35:33 PM
Up in Toronto we only had our league cancelled if there is an extreme winter storm. Happened twice in the last 10 years - one for freezing rain where all the streets and highways were ice and there was an advisory to keep off of the roads. The second was when we received a ton of snow over a few days and the plows could not keep up. Other than that we do our best to show up
Title: Re: leagues and winter storms
Post by: mainzer on December 07, 2013, 08:24:38 PM
i bowl in Appleton and Oshkosh WI and we bowl regardless of weather.
Title: Re: leagues and winter storms
Post by: bass on December 07, 2013, 08:30:44 PM
that's not totally true...we have been snowed out in the past
Title: Re: leagues and winter storms
Post by: jhutch769 on December 07, 2013, 08:38:05 PM
We leave it to the leagues to cancel as we will be open for business reguardless..  However, if the leagues do cancel, I will still usually close a little earlier than normal.  The leagues are under contract to complete 30 weeks so if they want to skip, they will just go longer into the summer.  We have only had a few cancellations over the last few years that I can remember and it was snowing all day/all night long and no plows were on the roads.  Visibility was low and traction on the roads was terrible..
Title: Re: leagues and winter storms
Post by: Juggernaut on December 07, 2013, 09:54:56 PM
 I feel your pain man.

 I live in N.E. Texas myself, and I have seen them cancel league here a day in advance, simply because there is a chance that bad weather might arrive.
Title: Re: leagues and winter storms
Post by: Dave81644 on December 08, 2013, 10:13:09 AM
here in Wisconsin, it has to be pretty bad to cancel.
Even if its officially cancelled, those who do show up have a decent practice session
Title: Re: leagues and winter storms
Post by: mainzer on December 08, 2013, 11:59:49 AM
that's not totally true...we have been snowed out in the past


Not often, we got snowed out last year at Shoreview, that was the first time i have seen a league called off though.
Title: Re: leagues and winter storms
Post by: tommyboy74 on December 08, 2013, 06:06:25 PM
In Buffalo, we just throw our bowling bags on top of our snowmobiles and make it regardless of how bad the snow gets.

All reality, it's rare to see a league cancelled.  The only times I can think of it happening is if we are getting a storm that is insane by our standards (7 feet of snow over 2 days back in 2000 is one example where people were stranded).
Title: Re: leagues and winter storms
Post by: ldkelleyb5 on December 09, 2013, 04:10:39 AM
I bowled in Colorado for about 10 years or so, and I only recall league being canceled maybe once every 2 or 3 years.  Usually took a blizzard and travel advisory to cancel.
Title: Re: leagues and winter storms
Post by: spmcgivern on December 09, 2013, 08:23:15 AM
I live in Texas also (and have lived in Denver) and there is a HUGE difference between snow on the streets and ice on the streets.  I can drive in snow but will not drive on ice.  Texas doesn't get much snow or ice, at least not like they have seen recently.  The drivers here aren't typically prepared for severe winter weather since they really never see it.  No chains, no winter driving skills and at times no common sense.  This recent storm left some areas with 2+ inches of ice on the roads.  Sorry, not leaving my house for that.  To many idiots on the roads.
Title: Re: leagues and winter storms
Post by: scrub49 on December 09, 2013, 12:26:21 PM
Live in Texas our roads are just not equipped for this type of weather
Title: Re: leagues and winter storms
Post by: milorafferty on December 09, 2013, 12:44:06 PM
What is this ice and snow you are talking about?  ;D
Title: Re: leagues and winter storms
Post by: lifted rillo on December 09, 2013, 01:25:28 PM
Y'all must be talking about the southern parts of Texas. I live in Amarillo (the Panhandle) and we see snow and ice every year. Most years we have at least one day where the whole area is a solid sheet of ice. About every other year, we get hit with a blizzard. And I've only seen leagues cancel three times in the 12 years I've bowled.
Title: Re: leagues and winter storms
Post by: scrub49 on December 09, 2013, 02:13:09 PM
North Central Texas I was speaking of ice.
Title: Re: leagues and winter storms
Post by: bacon22 on December 09, 2013, 02:19:47 PM
Here is Nebraska it usually takes about 4-6 inches of snow to cancel league,  if it snows the night before the roads will be cleared in time for league.  so they don't get cancelled often because it has to be a lot of snow at the right time
Title: Re: leagues and winter storms
Post by: lifted rillo on December 09, 2013, 02:50:10 PM
@scrub: As far north as we are here, EVERYTHING is southern Texas to us haha.
Title: Re: leagues and winter storms
Post by: Gene J Kanak on December 09, 2013, 03:07:13 PM
I have lived in Illinois the majority of my life, and I can only remember a couple of times here and there where league was cancelled due to bad weather. Obviously, since we get snow and ice every year, we are fairly used to it. Also, we have the advantage of having plow trucks, salt, chemical ice melter, etc. That is not the case in North Texas. When I lived down there a few years back while working for USBC, I was amazed at how ill equipped that area is to handle snow and ice. Then again, they don't get that type of weather on a consistent basis, so they probably figure it's not worth the money to buy the materials to deal with it. Basically, they just wait for the temps to go up so that the snow/ice can melt. Until that happens, don't count on seeing many people out and about!
Title: Re: leagues and winter storms
Post by: Zanatos1914 on December 09, 2013, 04:34:54 PM
I live in Dallas TX...

What does snow look like...  :-)

I wanted to bowl outside because the ice giving your more slide than the lanes....  Can somebody please find me some oil....   :'(   
Title: Re: leagues and winter storms
Post by: bradl on December 09, 2013, 04:37:46 PM
Here in Omaha,Ne I can only think of a couple of times when league was cancelled in the last eight seasons.

When I lived in Omaha, we stayed home, or in my case, stayed home and watched Saturday morning cartoons! :)

Seriously, I can probably count at least 15 times in the 18 years of bowling I did in Omaha (ages 3 - 21) in which leagues were cancelled. Those were during the 80s and 90s, including the times where the Elkhorn and Platte Rivers were iced over to the point where they had to blow up the ice to clear the jam across the bridge on I-80 and out past Elkhorn.

But I distinctly remember a time when leagues were cancelled because there was a long night of freezing rain, then froze hard over that, to where the weight of the ice brought down not just the power lines, but the poles and trees as well.

Ticked me off too, because I had just picked up my first high performance ball ever (urethane Blue Hammer) and wanted to try it out in my youth league. Had to wait a week!


I live in Dallas TX...

What does snow look like...  :-)

I wanted to bowl outside because the ice giving your more slide than the lanes....  Can somebody please find me some oil....   :'(   

Oil isn't what you need! If anything, for that amount of slick, 100 grit Abralon, or stay at home!   ;D

Sorry.. all my relatives live in either Oklahoma or Texas. That, by law, allows me to pick on anyone there!  :P

BL.
Title: Re: leagues and winter storms
Post by: scrub49 on December 09, 2013, 04:56:30 PM
lifted rillo you are right it is at least an 6 hours drive from Dallas to Amarillo and I live 15 miles south-east  from Dallas.                     
Title: Re: leagues and winter storms
Post by: michelle on December 11, 2013, 09:34:08 AM
There is a difference between that level of inclement weather being projected in areas that are accustomed to dealing with it as opposed to those areas (like Texas) where it MIGHT happen once every couple of years and where people have next to no experience dealing with the roads...hell, peeps in Texas can barely drive in rain when it is warm, and you want them barreling down the road on ice?

I went through a similar discussion on a different board with some people, but many of those business decisions are based upon liability situations.  When you have government agencies closing and a business stays open, it places their employees AND customers at risk, especially when some of the area they serve IS buried in frozen precipitation.  I know when I left the office last Friday, there were vehicles that were clearly coming from a few hours north that were STILL throwing snow and ice.  That says there WERE areas that had significant accumulations.  And airlines don't cancel/postpone just for grins either...but the boards were full of changed schedules for flights to/from DAL and DFW. 
Title: Re: leagues and winter storms
Post by: lifted rillo on December 11, 2013, 12:22:42 PM
The difference between our town of 200,000 people and DFW, is the highway system. We have two interstates, and one interchange. No bridges more than two-high. With everything so flat here, it's easy for the sand trucks to make icy roads safe. DFW has a lot of traffic, major highways, and 7-high interchanges. F that noise haha
Title: Re: leagues and winter storms
Post by: BrianCRX90 on December 12, 2013, 01:38:05 PM
I'm in Fort Worth (D/FW). I always wondered why there is always freezing rain then turns to a thick layer of ice vs nice, fluffy snow. Ice really sucks to drive on.

With that said, the secretary on my league has cancelled league for snow also. Sometimes it is understandable but sometimes I don't think they secretary should have the authority to cancel anything! If the bowling alley remains open, then of course the league should bowl also!

If it wasn't for my mom finding out for herself because it had just started to have some freezing rain, I would have showed up. The alley was still open and I would have wasted my time since the league canceled. One time the secretary did this I showed up and many other people did during a mild snowstorm that had just happened 2 hours before and the other league next to us bowled like normal while we found out our secretary took it upon herself to cancel the league.

On Saturday I have a league across town and and is along a freeway. At this point, the roads were several inches of solid ice and was obviously dangerous to drive on. Also, the bowling alley was actually shut down found out later.

It's been one week since the storm started. I better call the bowling alley to make sure I'm bowling. It's 45 and sunny but you never know...there could be one patch of ice out there somewhere.
Title: Re: leagues and winter storms
Post by: BrunsMike on December 12, 2013, 11:14:31 PM
In the last 5 years on Wednesday night the league has cancelled bowling at least once every year due to a snow storm with winter storm warnings. It will normally take 10+" of snow within 6-12 hours before league night to cancel the night. 3 years ago I was coming home from work, left at 2:30pm and took me until 5:45 to make it home. I didn't even make it fully into my driveway to officially call it making it home 100% lol.

Hope we don't have any cancellations this year!
Title: Re: leagues and winter storms
Post by: michelle on December 13, 2013, 09:52:50 AM
I'm in Fort Worth (D/FW). I always wondered why there is always freezing rain then turns to a thick layer of ice vs nice, fluffy snow. Ice really sucks to drive on.

With that said, the secretary on my league has cancelled league for snow also. Sometimes it is understandable but sometimes I don't think they secretary should have the authority to cancel anything! If the bowling alley remains open, then of course the league should bowl also!

No the league should not necessarily be bowling simply because the center had some staff that were able to make it in to work.  League officials have every right to be concerned about not just the safety of league bowlers but also the liability situation that exists when you basically tell a bowler to ignore inclement weather conditions where personal safety could be at risk and that they have to do so or pay up for the week regardless...

One would think that a person living in the metroplex could think in terms of a big picture...obviously that is not the case and it is too much for people to pay heed to requests from government officials to keep off the road except for absolutely essential travel.  Bowling is not absolutely essential. 
Title: Re: leagues and winter storms
Post by: BrunsMike on December 13, 2013, 10:14:44 AM
Just walking out the door in the best weather stills puts you at risk for injury just because people these days don't pay attention while driving thanks to cell phones!

In the last 5 years I've been in a few accidents thankfully none were very serious. I didn't make it to bowling on those nights.

Just being technical lol but when conditions are winter storm warning bad that's when leagues should be cancelled and extended 1 week later.