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General Category => Miscellaneous => Topic started by: mrfrostee on November 21, 2017, 10:34:52 AM
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I was watching my daughter pre bowl in her sport shot league last night and there was a young man also pre bowling with her. He played a small swing while she was playing up the boards. What I noticed in the third game was that she started ringing 10's (5 of 10 frames). I have heard people say that means the young man was pushing oil out on her. Is this true or is there some other explanation? Also what kind of adjustments could she have made to stop leaving 10 pins. She had not left any 10 pins first or second game so I am pretty sure something changed in the third game to cause her to start leaving 10 pins
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mrfrostee,
The saying that “Anything is possible†also means that many things are possible, and in the case of why she started leaving tenpins, there are quite a few suspects.
Bottom line is, her OVERALL ball reaction changed. The problem comes in trying to diagnose why.
Is it possible he pushed some oil out into her line? Sure, but depending on the conditions and the equipment used, it is also possible he helped dry out a spot that caused her ball to lose its energy a bit earlier, which changed her entry angle and finish.
Or, maybe they both ended up pushing a bit of carry down into the breakpoint, and her straighter trajectory was affected more by that than his because of the entry angle into the pocket.
Lots more can cause you to start pinging tens than just these things. Unfortunately, the answers are just as myriad as the reasons for leaving them.
Sometimes the right ball change works. Sometimes it’s a release change, or a speed change, or any other of a thousand minor changes.
If I could capture, and bottle, the solution to tenpins, I would’ve been rich a long time ago.
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Good analysis jugger, agree 100%.
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heads always break down first on any pattern. When this happens a straight player may still get to the pocket, but more energy is burned off early causing 10 pins. Carrydown can cause 10s, but it would normally be noticeable much quicker.
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avabob- what would be the adjustment for this?
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avabob- what would be the adjustment for this?
I'm not Avabob, but I was taught 4 adjustments if you are leaving 10 pins: move your feet forward or back a few inches or move a half board left or right. If none of those work that leaves 2 options: ball change or suck it up and come back next week because tonight is not your night.
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If you move right for leaving 10 pins in the 3rd game you are going to big 4. The move is a couple left.
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If you move right for leaving 10 pins in the 3rd game you are going to big 4. The move is a couple left.
Not trying to get into a measurement contest of some type, but there is no one move to carry a 10 pin. Everyone will have a different adjustment when they are leaving 10 pins because everyone's game and how they are leaving the 10 pin is different. If I followed your suggested move, I would be dealing with washouts and not a lone 10 pin.
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Unfortunately I know there is no one size fits all when dealing with leaving a 10 pin. My suggestions to her was a 1 and 1 move right, or going to her Creed (at the time she was using her True Nirvana). The shot was 40FT.
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If you move right for leaving 10 pins in the 3rd game you are going to big 4. The move is a couple left.
Not trying to get into a measurement contest of some type, but there is no one move to carry a 10 pin. Everyone will have a different adjustment when they are leaving 10 pins because everyone's game and how they are leaving the 10 pin is different. If I followed your suggested move, I would be dealing with washouts and not a lone 10 pin.
+1. I feel that there are a few different ways to adjust to carry the 10 pin. The key is to find what works for you at that moment, and it may vary. One house you may adjust differently than a different house.
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After the 2nd 10 pin the third game she did move a half board right and left another one. After that I think she kept moving quarter boards right to try and avoid putting the ball through the nose. What really surprised me was the quick change from game 2. In game 2 she bowled a 263 with the front 8 and in game 3 she had lost all carry.
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mrfrostee,
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Is it possible he pushed some oil out into her line? Sure, but depending on the conditions and the equipment used, it is also possible he helped dry out a spot that caused her ball to lose its energy a bit earlier, which changed her entry angle and finish.
But if her midlane area had gotten drier, and caused the ball to burn off energy, she'd be leaving weak 10 pins, not ringing 10 pins.
Or, maybe they both ended up pushing a bit of carry down into the breakpoint, and her straighter trajectory was affected more by that than his because of the entry angle into the pocket.
If she started adjusting by moving deeper into the oil, she could be catching too much oil for the ball she was using. That could cause her ball to finish late and leave ringing 10 pins, too.
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If you move right for leaving 10 pins in the 3rd game you are going to big 4. The move is a couple left.
Not trying to get into a measurement contest of some type, but there is no one move to carry a 10 pin. Everyone will have a different adjustment when they are leaving 10 pins because everyone's game and how they are leaving the 10 pin is different. If I followed your suggested move, I would be dealing with washouts and not a lone 10 pin.
There is no adjustment for leaving 10 pins.
There are adjustments for leaving ringing 10 pins AND there are adjustments for leaving weak 10 pins. Both are very different circumstances, with different cause and different solutions.
Watch where the ball leaves the pin deck. For weak 10 pins the ball will exit around the 9 pins area for a righty. The ball is weak and hitting wide of the pocket with little drive. Wait while longer ans you'll start leaving 8-10s.
For ringing 10 pins, the ball is exiting around the 5 pin area. It has too much drive, while still hitting wide of the pocket. Wait a whil longer and if more carrydown develops, you'll soon be leaving washouts.
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Next time we will watch to see how the ball is leaving the pin deck. I think in the heat of the moment we forgot to do that. As a side note, the young man she was bowling with did not leave any 10 pins the third game.
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Sounds like she should have just tightened her line up, some.
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Sounds like she should have just tightened her line up, some.
Or open up a little bit
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If she's truly ringing tens, her entry angle is wrong. If she's leaving flat tens, she needs to move.
IMO, quarter board adjustments on a house shot is useless. Move your eyes 2 left to catch more head oil and stay down (flat 10 rules)
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I hope most of you don't wonder why you get behind in the transition if you are moving right in the third game.
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I hope most of you don't wonder why you get behind in the transition if you are moving right in the third game.
Preach!
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I apologize I should have mentioned she was bowling on a sport shot
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As was mentioned before and by others, there are so many factors that can weigh in on this situation. On a house shot I generally make big moves to remedy a situation like this....if I intend on using the same ball. Usually front to back moves adding or subtracting loft, to either bleed off energy if I'm getting a ringing ten, or to retain energy if I'm getting the flat ten.
The other option is.....change balls and go to something with a lower differential, but similar cover.
If it's a sport shot, I'm tightening my line and changing my release. Just my two cents.
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Thanks for all the help. If and when we run into this again we have a plan of attack