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General Category => Miscellaneous => Topic started by: lilpossum1 on October 24, 2016, 12:34:50 PM
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I'm thinking I need a ball that gets more length before it starts hooking. My Forza hooks too early, to the point I can't keep it from going heavy. My sanded ride is a great benchmark for me right now so I hate to change the surface. I'm wondering if a mid strength ball with a ton of length would hook up late enough but generate enough angle to carry the corners on my current shot. Thoughts? Possible balls to consider? Really looking at a street fight, but I haven't seen one in action yet
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If your using a sanded ride as a bench mark ball the Street Fights probably too much unless your standing way right with it and really want to move inside. I really like the Brunswick Fanatic for this purpose myself. The cover on the fights is really strong I think even with the High Rg its still going to start to early for you.
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Before anyone can give you a true choice of equipment, it would help if you provide what conditions you bowl on, as well as your stats to also determine what options will fit best.
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If your using a sanded ride as a bench mark ball the Street Fights probably too much unless your standing way right with it and really want to move inside. I really like the Brunswick Fanatic for this purpose myself. The cover on the fights is really strong I think even with the High Rg its still going to start to early for you.
I agree; my friend's Street Fight is earlier than some of his sanded solids.
I'd suggest looking at a Hy_wire or a Venom Cobra, as the Forza, if mine is any gauge of what you're going through with yours, is for a good deal of oil.
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45' of light to medium light oil. Old wood lanes with a synthetic guardian on the front 15. I throw maybe 17-18 mph off the hand and guessing 300-350 revs. I start off with the ride about 16-17 at the arrows with a breakpoint around 7-10
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Doesn't newspaper smooth the surface a ton?
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Really I'm looking for something new to add to the back. When the ride matches up to the shot, it is money. And I want the Forza to stay where it is in case I see more oil one night. Shot isn't always predictable week to week.
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Fanatic BTU? Should be a nice light oil piece, but give a smoother motion.
If you are looking for more downlane motion, Loco Pearls really move on the backend (but need dry).
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Thanks for providing that info..... I agree with the above post.... The BTU should almost perfectly fit what your looking for, especially on the conditions you described.
Good luck.
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The new TRACK Tundra is a dry lane piece
worth checking out
https://youtu.be/HFSC_1-eog8
great price point on this piece as well
http://www.bowlersmart.com/track-tundra-bowling-ball
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Thanks for providing that info..... I agree with the above post.... The BTU should almost perfectly fit what your looking for, especially on the conditions you described.
Good luck.
Are you Yanking my chain Big Time??
The Forza is like 3 full steps above the BTU in oil handling and hook. If the Forza is just hooking too much or too early that are at least 2 full steps weaker you can go before he'll need a BTU!!!
Unless he isn't telling us all about his Forza; mine is a true medium-heavy oil ball, while the BTU handle medium-light oil at best.
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I was think more about a step or two below the Ride...not necessarily below the Forza...
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I was think more about a step or two below the Ride...not necessarily below the Forza...
Acknowledged.
The only balls I have below my Ride are the Tropical Breeze, now Tropical Storm Hybrid and my Strike King.
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So you have a Forza that can handle significant amounts of oil. You don't want to mess with the cover since you feel it has its place as is. You also have a sanded Ride that is your benchmark ball. You want something that is stronger than the Ride and weaker than the Forza and you want something with length to get through the heads. I hope I am understanding you correctly.
The Forza is one of the earliest and smoothest balls I have seen. It is also pretty strong. The Ride (sanded) is significantly weaker than the Forza. Having it sanded (not sure to what surface) will probably make it stronger and of course earlier and smoother. If all you wanted was more length to compliment the Ride, I would almost suggest another Ride with OOB and perhaps a different drill.
But I like to go to a stronger ball when I have to move in. It will ensure I have enough ball to make the turn. Too many times I see bowlers go to a weaker ball that puts them back where they were on the lane. Unfortunately, you have just depleted all of the oil there and that line will not last long.
So I would think something in between the strength of the Forza and Ride. If you are interested in Motiv, I think the Venom Cobra or Venom Shock with some surface adjustments would be great. If you are looking at Storm, then I feel the original HyRoad or the Match Pearl, depending on how much stronger you want to go.
As stated above, I would be weary of traditional skid/snap balls like the HyRoad Pearl or the Sky Rocket or even the IQ Tour 30 from Storm or the Paranoia or Octane Burn from Motiv. I feel the shape will be significantly different than what you are used to and might give you some problems with control.
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I can't go stronger and move in. I have above ground ball returns. As it is, I brush the ball return with my leg by the end of second game, then I start trying to throw the ball through the back of the building. Urethane hooks too early. If I try to take hand out of the ball, it physically hurts my wrist. But If I keep my wrist cupped it feels great. The ride is sanded to a high grit (3-4k.) how much weaker than the original ride is the joyride? I have the ride drilled for a little more pop in the back end
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I would think with all things equal, a Joyride will be a little stronger than the Ride. The shape would also be more skid/snap than the Ride.
I think to stay far enough away from the ball return, you might be stuck with a Joyride/Ride or Tropical Storm (Breeze).
I definitely do not miss the days of above ground ball returns. At least for me the place I bowled had 44 feet of oil and the strongest ball I had was a Black Angle; just piped it up between 5-10. Ten pins were tricky for sure.
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I have the Motiv Freestyle and it goes long. When I want a ball to go long this is what I pick.
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If you really don't want to go deeper and I understand why you can't from my own game. The Fanatic might work should be longer and more backend than the sanded Ride maybe that's tough. I really would consider the Tropical, Rhino, or Fanatic BTU. If I wanted a ball that's less go with the three above if you want a little more length I'd be willing to try the Fanatic with a length layout. Mines been great and I bowl on similar conditions with less speed than you.
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I'm a Brunswick guy and I am going to talk you out of the BTU. Its a great ball that is designed to traction early and give a smooth reaction to friction (like a jacked up urethane ball). Your pocket % may be fine as it doesn't cover a lot of boards, but I think that a ball with more length will result in better carry.
What you are looking for is a ball with cleaner cover to clear the fronts and a med/smaller core with a weaker layout (pin 5"+ from axis). The safe play is to go with a Rhino or Strike King as both have covers and cores that will give you more length than the Ride, just make sure to keep the polish on them so that they don't overlap with your Ride. If you really want a ball that has a bit more of a core, then the LT48 or DV8 Freakshow are 2 of my favorite options for dry lanes.
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I have the BTU and as Brandon said it is more traction early and a calmer backend. But, I will say something that agrees with what he thinks you need, but in a different way. I put a big shine on my BTU and it went longer and had more pop at the pins than the box finish. I'm not sure the impact is as much as a pearl reactive, but more than enough to carry strikes. It's a solid cover and but it doesn't squirt and has a stronger but controllable finish when shined!
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". I put a big shine on my BTU and it went longer and had more pop at the pins than the box finish. "
Box finish & shine??
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Box finish and shine? What does that mean? I just laid out that I shined my BTU and found it went long down the lane, did not create a hard to read break point, and had more pop at the pins than at box finish. Box finish was matte. What about that was hard for you to understand?
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Tropical storm looks good too. I tend to like the way hybrids roll for me over pearls, so would I be fine with the hybrid one, or should I get the pearl?
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Well, suppose could of put it simpler. All I was wondering was if you changed factory surface any before polishing? Didn't mean to make things complicated, sorry. I have a BTU used it some at box (factory finish). I wanted this ball for a replacement for my MOholed Natural. Presently I have BTU at 4000, at this it's stronger than Nat'l, but like it so far.
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moving right helps with length
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moving right helps with length
Explain your reasoning on why moving right will help with length?
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Aloa Pay him no mind
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Maybe he's a lefty?... then moving right might help with length...
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I bowl right handed, not wrong handed :)