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Title: LG Chem/Du Pont(DOW)/BASF et al
Post by: milorafferty on June 04, 2019, 06:11:29 PM
Looks like one or more of these guys have come up with a new formula for bowling ball resins.


Or at least a new way to sell shit.


Funny, every ball manufacturer seems to be pushing that THEY have a new cover stock. Like they alone came up with this brilliant new idea to "blend" urethane and resin(which is also urethane, just with other additives) and viola, it's just the bestest thing ever.


Yep, mine(Covert Tank) is sitting in the pro shop right now, drilled, as I type this. I will be picking it up in an hour or so. No doubt those poor SOB's tomorrow night will be pouting when I shoot a 1200 series on them(4 game league).  ;D
Title: Re: LG Chem/Du Pont(DOW)/BASF et al
Post by: BowlingForDonuts on June 04, 2019, 07:02:15 PM
Looks like one or more of these guys have come up with a new formula for bowling ball resins.


Or at least a new way to sell shit.


Funny, every ball manufacturer seems to be pushing that THEY have a new cover stock. Like they alone came up with this brilliant new idea to "blend" urethane and resin(which is also urethane, just with other additives) and viola, it's just the bestest thing ever.


Yep, mine(Covert Tank) is sitting in the pro shop right now, drilled, as I type this. I will be picking it up in an hour or so. No doubt those poor SOB's tomorrow night will be pouting when I shoot a 1200 series on them(4 game league).  ;D

The over/under is a game and half before you switch to a Venom ball and save your series.  From what was rumored I thought the chemical makers were telling the bowling industry they weren't making money on the resins any more.  Me thinks this is being forced.
Title: Re: LG Chem/Du Pont(DOW)/BASF et al
Post by: Mbosco on June 04, 2019, 08:06:24 PM
Funny, every ball manufacturer seems to be pushing that THEY have a new cover stock. Like they alone came up with this brilliant new idea to "blend" urethane and resin(which is also urethane, just with other additives) and viola, it's just the bestest thing ever.


Clearly, this tactic would never work.  Violas are sad instruments, and sad doesn't sell.
Title: Re: LG Chem/Du Pont(DOW)/BASF et al
Post by: milorafferty on June 05, 2019, 09:39:25 AM
Looks like one or more of these guys have come up with a new formula for bowling ball resins.


Or at least a new way to sell shit.


Funny, every ball manufacturer seems to be pushing that THEY have a new cover stock. Like they alone came up with this brilliant new idea to "blend" urethane and resin(which is also urethane, just with other additives) and viola, it's just the bestest thing ever.


Yep, mine(Covert Tank) is sitting in the pro shop right now, drilled, as I type this. I will be picking it up in an hour or so. No doubt those poor SOB's tomorrow night will be pouting when I shoot a 1200 series on them(4 game league).  ;D

The over/under is a game and half before you switch to a Venom ball and save your series.  From what was rumored I thought the chemical makers were telling the bowling industry they weren't making money on the resins any more. Me thinks this is being forced.


Rumored from where? If the chemical companies aren't making a profit on their products, one of two things will happen; raise the prices or discontinue the product line.
Title: Re: LG Chem/Du Pont(DOW)/BASF et al
Post by: milorafferty on June 05, 2019, 10:10:51 AM
Funny, every ball manufacturer seems to be pushing that THEY have a new cover stock. Like they alone came up with this brilliant new idea to "blend" urethane and resin(which is also urethane, just with other additives) and viola, it's just the bestest thing ever.


Clearly, this tactic would never work.  Violas are sad instruments, and sad doesn't sell.

Yea, yea. But my keyboard doesn't have the "a" with a grave accent.  :P


And I'm just too damn lazy to switch...
Title: Re: LG Chem/Du Pont(DOW)/BASF et al
Post by: imagonman on June 05, 2019, 10:30:17 AM
Funny, every ball manufacturer seems to be pushing that THEY have a new cover stock. Like they alone came up with this brilliant new idea to "blend" urethane and resin(which is also urethane, just with other additives) and viola, it's just the bestest thing ever.


Clearly, this tactic would never work.  Violas are sad instruments, and sad doesn't sell.

Yea, yea. But my keyboard doesn't have the "a" with a grave accent.  :P


And I'm just too damn lazy to switch...

Yeah a better choice would be trumpets....they're happy & upbeat! MB a little silly little kazoo...….yeah that's the ticket!
Title: Re: LG Chem/Du Pont(DOW)/BASF et al
Post by: tkkshop on June 06, 2019, 01:45:53 PM
Milo,

What do you think of the Covert Tank? I put about 6-8 games on mine throwing only on the birthday party pattern (2 day old lanes). It had a urethane esk motion, but it did allow for some lane shine to build on it. First night of summer league, I shot a 711 and it was a completely different motion thanks to the head oil. I am actually impressed with the reaction.
Title: Re: LG Chem/Du Pont(DOW)/BASF et al
Post by: milorafferty on June 06, 2019, 02:57:57 PM
Milo,

What do you think of the Covert Tank? I put about 6-8 games on mine throwing only on the birthday party pattern (2 day old lanes). It had a urethane esk motion, but it did allow for some lane shine to build on it. First night of summer league, I shot a 711 and it was a completely different motion thanks to the head oil. I am actually impressed with the reaction.

I tossed mine a few frames last night for the first time. Interesting ball, not exactly urethane, but not resin either. Hard to describe. It hooked more than I was expecting.

Of course, it's completely in the wrong place on Motiv's ball chart. In box finish, it is NOT a light oil ball. But Motiv seems to have a habit of under rating their ball performance.
Title: Re: LG Chem/Du Pont(DOW)/BASF et al
Post by: tkkshop on June 06, 2019, 03:03:09 PM
Not going to disagree with the underrated hook potential and the motion. It truly is... different.
Title: Re: LG Chem/Du Pont(DOW)/BASF et al
Post by: BowlingForDonuts on June 06, 2019, 03:21:12 PM
Looks like one or more of these guys have come up with a new formula for bowling ball resins.


Or at least a new way to sell shit.


Funny, every ball manufacturer seems to be pushing that THEY have a new cover stock. Like they alone came up with this brilliant new idea to "blend" urethane and resin(which is also urethane, just with other additives) and viola, it's just the bestest thing ever.


Yep, mine(Covert Tank) is sitting in the pro shop right now, drilled, as I type this. I will be picking it up in an hour or so. No doubt those poor SOB's tomorrow night will be pouting when I shoot a 1200 series on them(4 game league).  ;D

The over/under is a game and half before you switch to a Venom ball and save your series.  From what was rumored I thought the chemical makers were telling the bowling industry they weren't making money on the resins any more. Me thinks this is being forced.


Rumored from where? If the chemical companies aren't making a profit on their products, one of two things will happen; raise the prices or discontinue the product line.

+1.  TL;DR something is going on but not sure what and won't parrot rumors catch out of context.
Title: Re: LG Chem/Du Pont(DOW)/BASF et al
Post by: DP3 on June 06, 2019, 08:16:39 PM
Black Pure Hammer was very similar technology. Very weak, low pourous resin that mimicked a urethane shape downlane. With a "resin push" through the first half of the lane
Title: Re: LG Chem/Du Pont(DOW)/BASF et al
Post by: charlest on June 07, 2019, 12:12:28 PM
Milo,

What do you think of the Covert Tank? I put about 6-8 games on mine throwing only on the birthday party pattern (2 day old lanes). It had a urethane esk motion, but it did allow for some lane shine to build on it. First night of summer league, I shot a 711 and it was a completely different motion thanks to the head oil. I am actually impressed with the reaction.

I tossed mine a few frames last night for the first time. Interesting ball, not exactly urethane, but not resin either. Hard to describe. It hooked more than I was expecting.

Of course, it's completely in the wrong place on Motiv's ball chart. In box finish, it is NOT a light oil ball. But Motiv seems to have a habit of under rating their ball performance.

Motiv's charts for light, medium amd medium heavy are based on Mo asshole's opinion that the average bowler has 22 mph ball speed at the pin deck. :(
Title: Re: LG Chem/Du Pont(DOW)/BASF et al
Post by: Impending Doom on June 07, 2019, 12:23:09 PM
Milo,

What do you think of the Covert Tank? I put about 6-8 games on mine throwing only on the birthday party pattern (2 day old lanes). It had a urethane esk motion, but it did allow for some lane shine to build on it. First night of summer league, I shot a 711 and it was a completely different motion thanks to the head oil. I am actually impressed with the reaction.

I tossed mine a few frames last night for the first time. Interesting ball, not exactly urethane, but not resin either. Hard to describe. It hooked more than I was expecting.

Of course, it's completely in the wrong place on Motiv's ball chart. In box finish, it is NOT a light oil ball. But Motiv seems to have a habit of under rating their ball performance.

Motiv's charts for light, medium amd medium heavy are based on Mo asshole's opinion that the average bowler has 22 mph ball speed at the pin deck. :(

That's refreshing!!
Title: Re: LG Chem/Du Pont(DOW)/BASF et al
Post by: tkkshop on June 07, 2019, 12:34:09 PM
Milo,

What do you think of the Covert Tank? I put about 6-8 games on mine throwing only on the birthday party pattern (2 day old lanes). It had a urethane esk motion, but it did allow for some lane shine to build on it. First night of summer league, I shot a 711 and it was a completely different motion thanks to the head oil. I am actually impressed with the reaction.

I tossed mine a few frames last night for the first time. Interesting ball, not exactly urethane, but not resin either. Hard to describe. It hooked more than I was expecting.

Of course, it's completely in the wrong place on Motiv's ball chart. In box finish, it is NOT a light oil ball. But Motiv seems to have a habit of under rating their ball performance.

Motiv's charts for light, medium amd medium heavy are based on Mo asshole's opinion that the average bowler has 22 mph ball speed at the pin deck. :(
It's in comparison to other balls in the lineup. Mo has nothing to do with Motiv.
Title: Re: LG Chem/Du Pont(DOW)/BASF et al
Post by: bowling4burgers on June 07, 2019, 06:52:28 PM
Milo,

What do you think of the Covert Tank? I put about 6-8 games on mine throwing only on the birthday party pattern (2 day old lanes). It had a urethane esk motion, but it did allow for some lane shine to build on it. First night of summer league, I shot a 711 and it was a completely different motion thanks to the head oil. I am actually impressed with the reaction.

I tossed mine a few frames last night for the first time. Interesting ball, not exactly urethane, but not resin either. Hard to describe. It hooked more than I was expecting.

Of course, it's completely in the wrong place on Motiv's ball chart. In box finish, it is NOT a light oil ball. But Motiv seems to have a habit of under rating their ball performance.

Motiv's charts for light, medium amd medium heavy are based on Mo asshole's opinion that the average bowler has 22 mph ball speed at the pin deck. :(
It's in comparison to other balls in the lineup. Mo has nothing to do with Motiv.
Yeah, that's...Radical  :P And their ball chart (not yet updated for Counter Attacks) admits they have no light oil or dry lane balls.
Title: Re: LG Chem/Du Pont(DOW)/BASF et al
Post by: charlest on June 08, 2019, 10:33:43 PM
Milo,

What do you think of the Covert Tank? I put about 6-8 games on mine throwing only on the birthday party pattern (2 day old lanes). It had a urethane esk motion, but it did allow for some lane shine to build on it. First night of summer league, I shot a 711 and it was a completely different motion thanks to the head oil. I am actually impressed with the reaction.

I tossed mine a few frames last night for the first time. Interesting ball, not exactly urethane, but not resin either. Hard to describe. It hooked more than I was expecting.

Of course, it's completely in the wrong place on Motiv's ball chart. In box finish, it is NOT a light oil ball. But Motiv seems to have a habit of under rating their ball performance.

Motiv's charts for light, medium amd medium heavy are based on Mo asshole's opinion that the average bowler has 22 mph ball speed at the pin deck. :(
It's in comparison to other balls in the lineup. Mo has nothing to do with Motiv.

Of course not. I was being facetious. It's incredible how Motiv rates their own balls, as if that were true!
Title: Re: LG Chem/Du Pont(DOW)/BASF et al
Post by: avabob on June 12, 2019, 05:13:52 PM
There have been several new cover formulations over the years.   Acrylium, Epoxy, and Ebonites formula on the burgundy hammer remake.  Name escapes me on the latter.   All have been notoriously condition specific. 
Title: Re: LG Chem/Du Pont(DOW)/BASF et al
Post by: tkkshop on June 12, 2019, 05:15:51 PM
The more I throw the Covert tank, the more it hooks dowdown lane. This ball reminds me of the shape of 80's urethane in the 80's with Marl Roth throwing it. ;D
Title: Re: LG Chem/Du Pont(DOW)/BASF et al
Post by: bowling4burgers on June 12, 2019, 09:15:46 PM
There have been several new cover formulations over the years.   Acrylium, Epoxy, and Ebonites formula on the burgundy hammer remake.  Name escapes me on the latter.   All have been notoriously condition specific.
"Reacta-thane" on the Burgundy Hammer which they say is just an early rolling reactive at 500 grit, not some new material.
Title: Re: LG Chem/Du Pont(DOW)/BASF et al
Post by: avabob on June 13, 2019, 11:59:24 AM
Yes, reactathane.  Agree the 500 grit had a lot to do with reaction.  Most guys who liked the ball at all took the surface up a lot.  Mine was kind of the worst of both worlds for me.  Carried down oil like urethane,  but over undered like resin.   One of those balls that was very condition specific, but when it worked there was nothing else like ii
Title: Re: LG Chem/Du Pont(DOW)/BASF et al
Post by: tkkshop on June 13, 2019, 12:02:32 PM
Yes, reactathane.  Agree the 500 grit had a lot to do with reaction.  Most guys who liked the ball at all took the surface up a lot.  Mine was kind of the worst of both worlds for me.  Carried down oil like urethane,  but over undered like resin.   One of those balls that was very condition specific, but when it worked there was nothing else like ii
This does not sound like the Covert Tank btw... It does not carry down oil and will actually make harder left when friction is available. Check out a video that Jeff did a few weeks ago

Title: Re: LG Chem/Du Pont(DOW)/BASF et al
Post by: Jesse James on June 13, 2019, 12:17:06 PM
There have been several new cover formulations over the years.   Acrylium, Epoxy, and Ebonites formula on the burgundy hammer remake.  Name escapes me on the latter.   All have been notoriously condition specific.

I absolutely hated that Acryllium composition! It was fantastic for no-tap tourneys, but a zero for regular bowling! I'd have 9 frames of 9/, consistently!
Title: Re: LG Chem/Du Pont(DOW)/BASF et al
Post by: avabob on June 13, 2019, 01:25:35 PM
Everything works for someone somewhere.  Agree on Acrylium, but a guy won on Eagle in singles at ABC with one.