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General Category => Miscellaneous => Topic started by: michael.willis9 on April 24, 2017, 12:07:03 AM
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I'm not sure if this is in the right section but I don't feel it belongs in any specific brand forum because I'm open to all brands.
I currently have a 2 ball arsenal of a No Rules Pearl and a Dare Devil Trick. I throw about 15.5-16 mph and have medium ball revs. With a normal shot both of my current balls are fantastic but I've been noticing the houses seem to be laying out less oil now and it's turned in to a stand left and throw right shot. It's something I can do but it's not my normal game. I've also been ramping up speed on my ball to make it work but for me, high speed is bad accuracy.
I've looked at the hustle and it's a nice ball, and my PSO suggested it too, but he's a storm roto grip guy. I've always said that unless a company is paying me to throw their stuff then there's no reason to exclusively throw it. If one of the hustles ends up being the best light oil ball for its buck then so be it, but I'm wondering if you guys have good experiences with anything else that I can look into more.
Big criteria for me is good bargain for a quality ball with decent movement.
Thanks in advance
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Anybody can attest, that the ebonite cyclone has been at the top of the list of low end, performance for the buck, I would start there; Brunswick has the BTU, Motiv has the tag/freestyle, Storm has the tropical series, as you mentioned, Roto Grip has the Hustle series (but much stronger than advertised for light oil).
Just a few options to choose from, good luck.
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the Ebonite Cyclone should have been a $200 price point ball
Instead they chose to sell it all less than $80...and still do to this day
Its a lot of ball for the $$$
https://www.bowlersmart.com/ebonite-cyclone-blue-red-sparkle-bowling-ball
the next one that comes to mind is the GB2 series
again, alot of ball for the money IMO
a number of them to pick from for $115.00
https://www.bowlersmart.com/ebonite-game-breaker-2-phenom-bowling-ball
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Cyclone and GB2 series are in no way really light oil balls.Cyclones with a diff in the .053.The Tropical breeze has a diff of .009.Not even close.
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I agree. The Cyclone and GB2 are nt light oil balls. They have great value, but are too much ball for those conditions. Kinda the same deal with the Hustles.
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I see you guys saying the cyclone isn't a light oil ball. Which is cool, I appreciate all the inputs. But remember it's being slotted under a dare devil trick with a stock finish. If there's a difference between it and the trick then it'll work for what I need
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I see you guys saying the cyclone isn't a light oil ball. Which is cool, I appreciate all the inputs. But remember it's being slotted under a dare devil trick with a stock finish. If there's a difference between it and the trick then it'll work for what I need
If you are looking for a light oil I would go with a Motiv Ascent Pearl or the Storm Tropical Breeze, IF you just looking to slot under the dd trick thats really a different question with many, many, options.
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I see you guys saying the cyclone isn't a light oil ball. Which is cool, I appreciate all the inputs. But remember it's being slotted under a dare devil trick with a stock finish. If there's a difference between it and the trick then it'll work for what I need
If you are looking for a light oil I would go with a Motiv Ascent Pearl or the Storm Tropical Breeze, IF you just looking to slot under the dd trick thats really a different question with many, many, options.
+1
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That's why I also stated it as he was referring as under his truck.... I also agree that's it's underpriced for the performance you get, but for what he stated where he wanted it was why I mentioned it.
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The Brunswick Rhino fits that reaction for me. The .030 differential is enough to make a controlled turn, but not too flippy. Too much skid/snap can be problematic on drier conditions.
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That's why I also stated it as he was referring as under his truck.... I also agree that's it's underpriced for the performance you get, but for what he stated where he wanted it was why I mentioned it.
I actually appreciate it. I feel the mainly light oil balls may not be enough for me. Between the trick and the NRP I'm good on most conditions. I feel that something slotted below there would be perfect for me for light oil. I guess I need something noticeably less than the trick but still aggressive. For example I think the tropical storm won't be enough ball for me. I'll look more into the cyclone.
Part of my issue with the hustle is the color patterns. I know it sounds stupid and I've heard it's a great ball, but none of them appeal visual to me. I have a weird mental block in bowling where if I don't like the way the ball looks, when it rolls I'll always think it rolls weird. Unfortunately for me there's no color schemes I avoid. I've thrown balls with all different colors and liked it. Some balls just don't do it for me. That's why I ask, I don't want suggestions on balls based on color, just suggestions on good light or medium to light oil balls and I'll find a good one color wise from there
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I see you guys saying the cyclone isn't a light oil ball. Which is cool, I appreciate all the inputs. But remember it's being slotted under a dare devil trick with a stock finish. If there's a difference between it and the trick then it'll work for what I need
Michael,
As for recommending a light oil ball, below the Solid Dare Devil, is tricky. The major balls recommended so far, Hustle and Cyclone are 1.5 to maybe 2 full notches below the Dare Devil. If you're using speed with the DD, to attack these new lighter oil conditions, I doubt if you need a ball as mild as these 2. I believe you'd have to move further right to use these to do what you imply you need/want to do.
I think you want a ball for lighter oil than the DD handles, which is more or less medium-heavy oil. The Cyclone and Hustle handle up as much as medium oil.
I wonder if one of the Wreck pearls or hybrids or the Match Solid might be better suited to what you're implying you see now??? These are roughly 1/2 notch stronger in oil handling than the Cyclone and the Hustle hybrid.
Just a thought.
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Drift. Higher RG with decent diff.
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Another thing I'm considering is hitting some polish to the DDT. It won't solve my light oil ball issue but as of now, I'm noticing a huge on lane difference between it and the NRP. I do notice a difference, don't get me wrong, but being limited to just two balls now, they're too close. Polishing it won't make a huge difference but enough to put some extra distance between the two
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You could go Hammer Blue Urethane, Hammer Viral Hybrid or Solid
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I'm thinking that if you add polish to the Dare Devil Trick, then you're going to make it react more like the No Rules Pearl. The NRP should go long and make a hard left turn and if you polish the DDT, then it would do the same thing. You have two strong balls and I think moving to a Hustle would be a big difference on dryer lanes. If you could pick up a Storm Ride, then I think that would make a difference on dryer lanes as well. I know some balls look better or worse color wise, but I wouldn't let that sway you on picking out a ball.
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The biggest problem you run in to balling down comes if you can't Stay far enough right you are going to lose hit. My feeling is that you don't ball down From the NRP as long as you can keep the ball in the pocket from deep inside.
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Bronze Centaur AMB by Visionary.....it can be bought here
http://www.bowlerscellar.com/apps/webstore/products/show/1523352
Brad
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As mentioned already, polishing the DDT would put it closer to the NRP, not farther away. Ideally, You start with the trick, then switch to the NRP as you migrate left and need recovery that the DDT can't provide when getting too deep.
Now if you're looking for something on the burn to jump back right, there's been some good low end performance balls mentioned.
My philosophy is ball up to move left, ball down to keep right.
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2 of the last 3 posts are SPOT ON; Its always best to use weaker pieces up the track and straighter, then ball up when the track is burned up and hooking too early, thus needing to find oil to get down lane properly while using the 3 phases properly to maintain entry into the pocket.
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As mentioned already, polishing the DDT would put it closer to the NRP, not farther away. Ideally, You start with the trick, then switch to the NRP as you migrate left and need recovery that the DDT can't provide when getting too deep.
Now if you're looking for something on the burn to jump back right, there's been some good low end performance balls mentioned.
My philosophy is ball up to move left, ball down to keep right.
This is going to sound weird. But in the heaviest of heavy, I have my best success with the DDT. Once it starts breaking down a bit, I have more success with the NRP. From there I can actually transition back to the DDT. The NRP is more ball than the DDT for me, as the lane breaks down I switch from the NRP to the DDT to stay right. It's just I get a better reaction with the DDT on very heavy oil
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As mentioned already, polishing the DDT would put it closer to the NRP, not farther away. Ideally, You start with the trick, then switch to the NRP as you migrate left and need recovery that the DDT can't provide when getting too deep.
Now if you're looking for something on the burn to jump back right, there's been some good low end performance balls mentioned.
My philosophy is ball up to move left, ball down to keep right.
This is going to sound weird. But in the heaviest of heavy, I have my best success with the DDT. Once it starts breaking down a bit, I have more success with the NRP. From there I can actually transition back to the DDT. The NRP is more ball than the DDT for me, as the lane breaks down I switch from the NRP to the DDT to stay right. It's just I get a better reaction with the DDT on very heavy oil
Makes sense - polished pearl vs solid with surface. DDT should do better than the NRP in oil. When it breaks down and the NRP gets a chance to grab some friction, now it should look like a helluva lot more ball with all that backend movement.
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Exactly. DDT has a slower transition than the NRP - and the original Daredevil. It is stronger front to back, but does not have the back end reaction of the others. Due to core shapes and layouts, my DD actually covers the most boards of the 3 - most of the time anyway. It can depend on the amount of head oil. But generally speaking (house shot anyway - haven't had a change to throw these much on sport yet), I have it this way:
Strongest front to back: DDT, NRP, DD
Fastest transition to the pocket: DD, NRP, DDT
But again, DD and NRP could probably flip spots depending on drilling, surface, and how you throw it. And a polished DDT would likely bring it closer to the NRP. Still should have a different motion though.
As for the topic, as others have said, you will have to decide how much separation you want between those 2 balls and your "light oil" ball. Something in the Hustle line may be a good fit, or you may need to go weaker - like the Tropical Storm. Or you may want to keep things closer and go with something in the Wrecker line or Hy-road line (or similar) from Storm.
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I know this is a little older ball, but I have been having success with a Storm Super Natural. It was actually too strong and over/under OOB, so I took it down to 360 then, step by step, all the way up to 4000 and topped it off with some polish and it's been great for me. Super even rolling, no over/under reaction, which was, from what I hear, problematic with this ball for many users, but right now, this has been my go-to ball on these light oil conditions. 8)