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Title: Light-weight balls
Post by: Sn on September 02, 2005, 09:45:13 PM: I am currently bowling with a 13lb ball because I am of a small statue. I have tried 14lb before but that was too heavy for me. Recently I've been told that balls weighing 13lb or below are manufactured without the core (or with only part of it) so they never achieve the ball reactions of heavier ones.
Is that true?

Thanks for the replies!

Edited on 9/3/2005 5:37 AM
Title: Re: Light-weight balls
Post by: azus on September 03, 2005, 06:05:57 AM: Yes and No. Some Companies do that, but not all.
Title: Re: Light-weight balls
Post by: TheBowlingKid25 on September 03, 2005, 06:37:12 AM: Exactly. I know that Brunswick uses there dynamic cores in 13#, and so does Hammer and Ebonite. Thats all that I am sure of though.
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Title: Re: Light-weight balls
Post by: azguy on September 03, 2005, 08:12:20 AM: Use this as a "rule of thumb"...

A ball, with it's core, is designed to weigh so much. When you take away from the design weight, something has to go, as well, when you add to it. Depending on the design weight, as you drop in weight, something will change, since the size of the ball can not, or the 'filler' can not, then the core is the logical point to change.

Fillers weigh just about the same, but some companies have a different core they will use to drop the weight. That doesn't make the ball "bad", just different. If you can only use a 13 #, then your ball will react differently than a 15#, just learn to use what you have, and know that's what the ball can give you. It's not a bad thing, just different.

As in, a 16# will react when it hits the pins differently from a 14# ball of the same kind. Not a bad thing, different. I played with the idea of getting a 12 or 13# spare ball for deflection on spares, just never have....yet. IMO, not bad, just different.
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Title: Re: Light-weight balls
Post by: Sn on September 03, 2005, 09:04:48 AM: Thanks for all your replies.

The 13lb ball I have is a Storm Diablo. Just curious about how the Twin-V weight block goes with this weight.

I agree much with AZ guys view. It's a different way to play with a light ball. Actually I like the deflection of it when picking up 3-10 splits, which I frequently make recently.
Title: Re: Light-weight balls
Post by: JohnP on September 03, 2005, 11:31:57 AM: Sn -- Look at the RG differentials for the various weight balls. If it is much lower for the lighter balls, the core has been changed. -- JohnP
Title: Re: Light-weight balls
Post by: TheBowlingKid25 on September 03, 2005, 11:46:41 AM: quote:
Use this as a "rule of thumb"...

A ball, with it's core, is designed to weigh so much. When you take away from the design weight, something has to go, as well, when you add to it. Depending on the design weight, as you drop in weight, something will change, since the size of the ball can not, or the 'filler' can not, then the core is the logical point to change.

Fillers weigh just about the same, but some companies have a different core they will use to drop the weight. That doesn't make the ball "bad", just different. If you can only use a 13 #, then your ball will react differently than a 15#, just learn to use what you have, and know that's what the ball can give you. It's not a bad thing, just different.

As in, a 16# will react when it hits the pins differently from a 14# ball of the same kind. Not a bad thing, different. I played with the idea of getting a 12 or 13# spare ball for deflection on spares, just never have....yet. IMO, not bad, just different.
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I have to disagree with you on that one buddy. I believe it IS the filler that is changed....because think about it. Cores are the same from 14# through 16#...so how do they change the weight there if the cores are the same?
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Title: Re: Light-weight balls
Post by: InternationalBabyBomb on September 03, 2005, 03:24:36 PM: WOW sn. Male and using 13lb? I think you should go to some weights and move to 14.4 or 15lb.
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Title: Re: Light-weight balls
Post by: shelley on September 03, 2005, 03:32:22 PM: As other said, some companies offer 13# balls with the normal cores, others don't. A lot of the lighter Track balls use the Core2 core, the same as in the Crunch Time and the new Solutions. It's a good core. Others, like Brunswick, use the same core down to 12# for many of their balls. Still others change to a three-piece core (basically a pancake like a plastic ball would have) for <14# balls. Lane 1 doesn't even sell balls that don't use their normal cores, so you may not be able to get 13# at all.

To be certain, it's best to ask the manufacturer directly. Or work out to where you can throw 14# balls, as there's a significantly larger selection at that weight.

SH
Title: Re: Light-weight balls
Post by: Sn on September 04, 2005, 12:11:53 AM: Yes, I understand my situation. I've tried a 14lb ball before but my wrist was so badly hurt by that I had to stop bowling for quite a few months. I'm just weighing 130lb so I suppose a 13lb ball is all I should get. If I had the time to work out I prefer spending it on bowling!

How do I contact the Storm staff so that I know what's inside my 13lb Diablo?

Thanks to all!
Title: Re: Light-weight balls
Post by: Sn on September 04, 2005, 12:34:41 AM: Actually I am an 18-year-old Asian (not muscular of course). When I went up to 14lb I felt okay at first because I was bowling 2 to 3 times a week then. After 2 weeks of busy work without bowling I found that my wrist can't stand the weight again and is breaking upon release. I want to preserve energy and so I switched back to a 13lb ball.
If I can keep bowling 2 to 3 times a week I think I would be okay with a 14lb. But I do not have the time now.
Title: Re: Light-weight balls
Post by: Sn on September 04, 2005, 12:50:55 AM: I am from Hong Kong. I have tried a wrist brace before but was not very comfortable with the release. But I am interested in exercises that could strengthen my wrist and arm. Any suggestions?

Thanks to you all!
Title: Re: Light-weight balls
Post by: LadyW on September 04, 2005, 09:49:50 AM: Sn-

I also have very tiny and weak wrists. I wear the Columbia Classic leather wrist support and remove the metal piece in the palm. I find it to be extremely comfortable and not at all cumbersome.

I have been throwing 13# equipment for several years and have tried different companies. I was informed by Storm that only the Master Line uses the same weight block design as the heavier weights. The other lines do not. You can contact them through their web site to confirm this information.

I have found great success with some companies and total disappointment with others. What's most important is to find a competent driller who can match you up properly with equipment and layouts.

Good luck!
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Edited on 9/4/2005 9:42 AM
Title: Re: Light-weight balls
Post by: Sn on September 04, 2005, 09:55:24 AM: Thank you LadyW!
Actually I don't mind if the core is reduced or changed in my 13lb Diablo. I just hope there IS at least a core inside.
If what you've said is true for the Master Line I think I will try to get myself a 13lb Trifecta.
Title: Re: Light-weight balls
Post by: T-GOD on September 04, 2005, 10:35:32 AM: Try a Lane #1 ball. They have the most dynamic lightweight balls on the market, as they use the same core as in their 16 lb. stuff. =:^D
Title: Re: Light-weight balls
Post by: Sn on September 04, 2005, 10:38:07 AM: But shelley says Lane #1 don't make 13lb balls?
By the way, it's very difficult to find Lane #1 products here in Hong Kong.
Title: Re: Light-weight balls
Post by: bighook69 on September 04, 2005, 11:21:29 AM: track also has cores in there 12-13lb balls, consisting of, core 2, core 3 and rocket core.
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Title: Re: Light-weight balls
Post by: azguy on September 04, 2005, 11:35:20 AM: Bowlingkid25, I can't say what core is used, but I checked with Ebonite, and they use a different core in the 13# V2 Sanded than what's in the 14#er, according to Mr Hickland's section, anyway.

I got my wife a 13#er, due to her wrist last year, we never drilled it, but I asked about the core, as Storm, Columbia both use different ones in "light" balls and I wondered. I was told it is a 'lighter core' so, I was told the filler is filler, can't be changed in weight. All I know is what Ebonite told me, I have yet to cut one open to see, not sure I want to , but I do think that's the only way one will ever know.

Again, we all have our opinions, I was only basing mine off what I was told by Ebonite.
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Title: Re: Light-weight balls
Post by: shelley on September 04, 2005, 11:38:35 AM: quote:
But shelley says Lane #1 don't make 13lb balls?
By the way, it's very difficult to find Lane #1 products here in Hong Kong.

Some of their equipment is available in 13#, some not. The Cherry Bomb was not while the BCB is. It looks like a lot of their newer equipment is available in 13#.

SH
Title: Re: Light-weight balls
Post by: Sn on September 05, 2005, 06:34:14 AM: quote:
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Get one of these: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B0000CA2P6/ref=pd_sim_4/103-1567562-4588656?%5Fencoding=UTF8&v=glance

And one of these: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B0000AS4G4/ref=pd_sim_3/103-1567562-4588656?%5Fencoding=UTF8&v=glance

Use them a lot. See the speed and revs grow! (and your ability to use a heavier ball).

and after you master 2 product.. you learn TIGER CLAW!!!

Wow!
I think these could be helpful. But I can't get these shipped. Oops.
Title: Re: Light-weight balls
Post by: Sn on September 05, 2005, 06:40:55 AM: Once again, thanks for everyone's replies!
This is by far the best bowling-related forum I've ever visited.
Title: Re: Light-weight balls
Post by: Sn on September 06, 2005, 11:12:45 AM: I've just got the official reply from a Storm staff through e-mail. My 13lb Diablo contains a Modified Thunder core instead of the Twin-V weight block. So should I expect this ball to be reacting very much like Hot Rod Super Sport?
By the way, it is confirmed that the balls in the Storm Master Line use the same cores with fillers of different densities down to 12lb.
Title: Re: Light-weight balls
Post by: bowlbeginner on September 17, 2005, 06:19:03 AM: Well I have been throwing a 13lb ball too but now I've worked up to be comfortable with a 14lb. This made things better for me.
Title: Re: Light-weight balls
Post by: SrKegler on September 17, 2005, 12:35:16 PM: quote:
I am from Hong Kong. I have tried a wrist brace before but was not very comfortable with the release. But I am interested in exercises that could strengthen my wrist and arm. Any suggestions?

Thanks to you all!

Here's a great way to strengthen your wrist. Doesn't cost much either.

You will need a 3' piece of round wood stock about 1" in diameter, a 3' piece of rope, and a plastic jug that you can fill with sand.

Drill a hole in the roundstock, tie the rope off thru the hole, and attach it to the jug. Fill the jug with 2-3# of sand.

While you are watching TV, simply wind the rope up and down lifting the jug off of the floor. Add or subtract sand as needed so that you can do about 20 reps in a row. When it gets easy, add more sand.
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